04-25-2014 06:59 PM
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  1. Reflexx's Avatar
    Makes sense in theory but things rarely work out as neatly as you suggest. People will get attached to the apps on their platform (as we do on WP, eg preferring apps with good live tiles) and I dont think app parity is as close as you say. Look at PvZ 2 and BBM already on the Nokia x while WP still lacks them. Thats unlikely to change in the future in any significant way and I think will factor into upgrade decisions later.
    2 years can make a big difference. I think the app gap will be small by then.

    But keep in mind that the type of customers buying the X phones are the ones that wouldn't have bought WP in the first place. At least this gives WP a chance to earn their business later.

    The focus should still be to sell the Lumia 5xx series at that price range. But the X is the alternative in case they just won't buy a WP yet.
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    02-25-2014 01:59 PM
  2. theefman's Avatar
    I guess we'll have to wait and see then. I just imagine that when people's first experience with a Lumia is that it's similar to their Nokia X phone, then that'll convince them more than, say a different UI/UX that has similar apps, being that initial impressions matter a lot when deciding on what phone to buy. If someone's initial impressions with a WP is that "oh, all of my stuff is backed up and I just sign into an account that I already have" then that would be much better than, "oh, great, my contacts and pictures are gone unless I download a bunch of other apps and I have to create a Google account. I don't need these things".
    From my perpective the UI of the Nokia x only bears a passing reselblance to WP and it applies to the home screen only so I am unconvinced it will be familiar enough to be a draw for x users. But you're right, time will tell

    2 years can make a big difference. I think the app gap will be small by then.

    But keep in mind that the type of customers buying the X phones are the ones that wouldn't have bought WP in the first place. At least this gives WP a chance to earn their business later.

    The focus should still be to sell the Lumia 5xx series at that price range. But the X is the alternative in case they just won't buy a WP yet.
    To turn it around, I wouldnt consider android just because I used their services on a cheap WP (assuming they existed) if I was unlikely to buy it in the first place. I would just find the closest approximation I could on my preferred platform, which in this case would seem to be android for the apps. And I dont see the app gap going away unless other platform stop improving so that will always be a potential barrier to switching.
    02-25-2014 02:05 PM
  3. alveswes's Avatar
    Wait.... what? So this event, before anything has played out, caused you to look at other platforms? Thats baffling to me
    He is not alone. Everything so far is speculation except for the uncertainty that Microsoft/Nokia introduced in terms of the future of the platform. Warranted or not, developers and users alike have no idea what will become of WP in the medium and long terms.
    It just doesnt look like the same Microsoft that patiently lost millions (if not billions) in the Xbox brand until it became profitable.
    02-25-2014 02:19 PM
  4. Reflexx's Avatar
    From my perpective the UI of the Nokia x only bears a passing reselblance to WP and it applies to the home screen only so I am unconvinced it will be familiar enough to be a draw for x users. But you're right, time will tell



    To turn it around, I wouldnt consider android just because I used their services on a cheap WP (assuming they existed) if I was unlikely to buy it in the first place. I would just find the closest approximation I could on my preferred platform, which in this case would seem to be android for the apps. And I dont see the app gap going away unless other platform stop improving so that will always be a potential barrier to switching.
    The app gap isn't really about other platforms improving. There are very few apps that require special features.

    The app gap isn't even completely about market share. It's about install base. It's about the chances of businesses to make money.

    If WP stayed at 5% market share, but the entire market grew in size, then that 5% may end up being enough customers to warrant app development.

    If WP can get to 10% then app development will go crazy.
    02-25-2014 02:24 PM
  5. cckgz4's Avatar
    He is not alone. Everything so far is speculation except for the uncertainty that Microsoft/Nokia introduced in terms of the future of the platform. Warranted or not, developers and users alike have no idea what will become of WP in the medium and long terms.
    It just doesn’t look like the same Microsoft that patiently lost millions (if not billions) in the Xbox brand until it became profitable.
    Various people on this site say Microsoft is slow to act. This move, although in my opinion a bad one, shows Microsoft wants to tap into where google hasn't, and if that means using their services to entice, then so be it. But also like others on this site, they complain about android being "laggy". These phones over time will be just that. So we can assume two things:

    The customers of this product will generalize android as a laggy experience, or do that with Nokia in general. Heres hoping to the former. But I will say this: windows phone will not be written out being that the market doesn't benefit whatsoever from a duopoly
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    02-25-2014 02:53 PM
  6. cckgz4's Avatar
    At the end of the day, its a phone. You all are consumers. Being this conflicted about something that wont even effect you to the point you're jumping ship is saying you should probably detach your feelings out of this and pick what works best. If you're planning to leave, I highly doubt this announcement was the make or break.
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    02-25-2014 02:55 PM
  7. Angry_Mushroom's Avatar
    Nokia X does make sense. Here is why. Asha doesn't appear to have much of a market impact if any. While their hardware is very nice looking, it badly lacks on the app side and market presence. I'd say that the usage of android is a pretty brilliant move at this point. It would certainly make more sense to use forked Android over the continued development of Asha. MS saves a bundle on their feature phones, and they'd have an excuse to drop the Asha which fits in nowhere.

    Hopefully MS will apply the Asha design to later X phones.
    02-25-2014 04:23 PM
  8. alveswes's Avatar
    Various people on this site say Microsoft is slow to act. This move, although in my opinion a bad one, shows Microsoft wants to tap into where google hasn't, and if that means using their services to entice, then so be it. But also like others on this site, they complain about android being "laggy". These phones over time will be just that. So we can assume two things:

    The customers of this product will generalize android as a laggy experience, or do that with Nokia in general. Heres hoping to the former. But I will say this: windows phone will not be written out being that the market doesn't benefit whatsoever from a duopoly
    Actually I am talking about Microsoft's mobile strategy as a whole. Two years from now, iPhones will be running iOS apps and android phones will be running android apps. What is not clear is what kind of apps Microsoft will be pushing out (WP native, emulated android, native android, all of the above?). They are focusing on services which is fine, but IMHO it seems they are not sure where to go with their mobile strategy.
    02-25-2014 04:29 PM
  9. Reflexx's Avatar
    Actually I am talking about Microsoft's mobile strategy as a whole. Two years from now, iPhones will be running iOS apps and android phones will be running android apps. What is not clear is what kind of apps Microsoft will be pushing out (WP native, emulated android, native android, all of the above?). They are focusing on services which is fine, but IMHO it seems they are not sure where to go with their mobile strategy.

    I wouldn't be surprised to see future Windows Phones have Android emulators. They'd be able to run low powered Android apps.

    However, for the best experience or for anything requiring power, it would be necessary to use native WP apps.
    02-25-2014 05:36 PM
  10. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    At the end of the day, its a phone. You all are consumers. Being this conflicted about something that wont even effect you to the point you're jumping ship is saying you should probably detach your feelings out of this and pick what works best. If you're planning to leave, I highly doubt this announcement was the make or break.
    Yes Microsoft whole handling of this and the possibility of more android related stuff coming to windows phone is precisely the reason I am considering dumping it and I'm the biggest WP fan I know lol.

    It will not surprise me if I winded up with an iPhone 6 in September.
    02-25-2014 09:04 PM
  11. Guytronic's Avatar
    At the end of the day, its a phone. You all are consumers. Being this conflicted about something that wont even effect you to the point you're jumping ship is saying you should probably detach your feelings out of this and pick what works best. If you're planning to leave, I highly doubt this announcement was the make or break.
    Amen to this ^^^
    Truly amazing how suicidal the smartphone user has become.
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    02-25-2014 09:14 PM
  12. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    Amen to this ^^^
    Truly amazing how suicidal the smartphone user has become.
    lmao nobody here is talking about suicide or anything like that. Lets not be so disrespectful lmao
    02-25-2014 09:43 PM
  13. alveswes's Avatar
    Yes Microsoft whole handling of this and the possibility of more android related stuff coming to windows phone is precisely the reason I am considering dumping it and I'm the biggest WP fan I know lol.

    It will not surprise me if I winded up with an iPhone 6 in September.
    Hold it right there with the "biggest WP fan" title, buddy :p I still have my Focus, Focus S, DVP, Lumias 800, 900, 920, 1020, 1520 and even 520 just because it was way cheaper than a happy hour after work in Manhattan.
    But at the end of the day, @cckgz4 is correct when he says it is about what works for each one of us. For me, sticking to a platform without identity and without a clear future doesn't work, so as boring as iOS is, it does seem the only way out specially since Microsoft ironically does a pretty good job at making iPhone apps.
    Hopefully it won't come to that.
    02-25-2014 10:37 PM
  14. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    I went from the Nokia 710 and HTC radar briefly, Nokia 810(my first official phone), To a Red HTC 8x, to a California Blue 8x, the Lumia 920 in red, then got it in Yellow, then went to the 1020, then went to the 928, then another yellow 1020(It truly is my favorite), to the 1520 :D and this was all since Windows phone launch in 2012 :D

    Exactly that is my whole point about potentially jumping ship. Windows Phone has so many rumors about Android apps coming and with Microsoft making it incredibly easy for manufacturers to recycle their designs from their android phone, it really makes me as a windows phone feel like this platform has no idea where it is going.

    It's not even so much about the Nokia X that bugs me, so much the fact that Microsoft after 4 years(I count windows phone 7) has taken forever to develop windows Phone and windows phone 8.1 is the first time that i can genuinely say the OS actually is on par with the others. I came to windows phone and stuck by the OS with all the lack of apps....and even certain features because I love windows phone and windows 8 and this Nokia X makes me sort of concerned what may happen down the line and IOS does seem like the only OS with a future..that is not Android as I can't even fathom the thought of owning an android phone ever again.
    Hold it right there with the "biggest WP fan" title, buddy :p I still have my Focus, Focus S, DVP, Lumias 800, 900, 920, 1020, 1520 and even 520 just because it was way cheaper than a happy hour after work in Manhattan.
    But at the end of the day, @cckgz4 is correct when he says it is about what works for each one of us. For me, sticking to a platform without identity and without a clear future doesn't work, so as boring as iOS is, it does seem the only way out specially since Microsoft ironically does a pretty good job at making iPhone apps.
    Hopefully it won't come to that.
    02-26-2014 02:51 AM
  15. PureView's Avatar
    I'm going to sell my mom's Lumia 520 and get her the X or the X+. The L520 is such a piece of **** phone when it comes to VOIP and IM.
    02-26-2014 03:37 AM
  16. tgp's Avatar
    I'm going to sell my mom's Lumia 520 and get her the X or the X+. The L520 is such a piece of **** phone when it comes to VOIP and IM.
    A colleague of mine recently went from a 1020 to a 520. He told me the other day that he discovered that phone quality affects performance more than the OS does. He felt that the 520 performed no better than a cheap Android. And he's a self-proclaimed Microsoft/WP fanboy.
    02-26-2014 04:39 AM
  17. PureView's Avatar
    A colleague of mine recently went from a 1020 to a 520. He told me the other day that he discovered that phone quality affects performance more than the OS does. He felt that the 520 performed no better than a cheap Android. And he's a self-proclaimed Microsoft/WP fanboy.
    Viber and Skype flat-out refuse to work properly on Lumia 520. The phone is just pitifully slow at resuming apps. Since Android doesn't freeze apps in the background, VOIP apps will run much better, despite the low end specs.
    02-26-2014 04:45 AM
  18. anony_mouse's Avatar
    Viber and Skype flat-out refuse to work properly on Lumia 520. The phone is just pitifully slow at resuming apps. Since Android doesn't freeze apps in the background, VOIP apps will run much better, despite the low end specs.
    That's interesting. My (limited) experience with the 520 was the same. It was generally responsive, in that *something* happened quickly when you touched the screen, but the action completing (opening an app, resuming an app, etc) was pretty slow - and much worse than the similarly priced Android phone that I tested alongside it.
    02-26-2014 05:41 AM
  19. tgp's Avatar
    That's interesting. My (limited) experience with the 520 was the same. It was generally responsive, in that *something* happened quickly when you touched the screen, but the action completing (opening an app, resuming an app, etc) was pretty slow - and much worse than the similarly priced Android phone that I tested alongside it.
    Actually all WPs are that way, not just the cheap ones. The higher quality ones are not necessarily slow, but not fast either.
    02-26-2014 07:19 AM
  20. cckgz4's Avatar
    I'll say that I haven't used a "cheap" android device lately, but my last phone (Optimus G) started developing problems sooner than my 520 and I've had both for a pretty good length of time
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    02-26-2014 12:07 PM
  21. Reflexx's Avatar
    The problem with Android isn't the initial experience. It's how the phone performs a year later.
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    02-26-2014 01:39 PM
  22. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    The problem with Android isn't the initial experience. It's how the phone performs a year later.
    exactly and I also worry about how this may taint the Lumia brand. I know for myself personally I have owned phones from Motorola and their cameras suck. Never mind that they may make windows phone one day with Lenovo. I will never own another Motorola due to their crud cameras and I associate all Motorola devices to be the same.

    I had Samsung and I associate many issues I had with Samsung and never will buy one again.

    Given how crappy android is on low hardware with this outdated version, after a years time I can only imagine how bad it will be and I would not be surprised if people associated problems with the os with the x line and then turnaround and just don't bother with the Lumia line.
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    02-26-2014 01:45 PM
  23. Reflexx's Avatar
    exactly and I also worry about how this may taint the Lumia brand. I know for myself personally I have owned phones from Motorola and their cameras suck. Never mind that they may make windows phone one day with Lenovo. I will never own another Motorola due to their crud cameras and I associate all Motorola devices to be the same.

    I had Samsung and I associate many issues I had with Samsung and never will buy one again.

    Given how crappy android is on low hardware with this outdated version, after a years time I can only imagine how bad it will be and I would not be surprised if people associated problems with the os with the x line and then turnaround and just don't bother with the Lumia line.
    If I was Nokia, I would make sure that I emphasized that the X is not as good a phone as the lowest Lumia. It's just there if you absolutely need and want Android.

    If you want a smoother long term experience, upgrade to a Lumia!

    The good thing about Nokia is that they are known for stellar hardware. If things start slowing down on their X phone, maybe users will attribute that to Android. Especially if they see a phone with similar specs in a low end Lumia still running like a champ.
    02-26-2014 02:45 PM
  24. tgp's Avatar
    If I was Nokia, I would make sure that I emphasized that the X is not as good a phone as the lowest Lumia. It's just there if you absolutely need and want Android.

    If you want a smoother long term experience, upgrade to a Lumia!

    The good thing about Nokia is that they are known for stellar hardware. If things start slowing down on their X phone, maybe users will attribute that to Android. Especially if they see a phone with similar specs in a low end Lumia still running like a champ.
    The thing is we do not yet know how the Nokia X will perform. What if it performs better than the lowest Lumia?
    02-26-2014 03:14 PM
  25. Reflexx's Avatar
    The thing is we do not yet know how the Nokia X will perform. What if it performs better than the lowest Lumia?
    That would be magic.
    02-26-2014 03:29 PM
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