1. bear_lx's Avatar
    check this out
    Watch Apple iPad 2 with iOS 5 beta face off Samsung's Windows 8 slate

    im telling you, this windows 8 is going to be big! and the ability to have a full blown OS on a tablet is amazing, this might just replace a huge portion of laptops, it will mine!
    check this out Pronk!
    09-16-2011 10:53 AM
  2. Reflexx's Avatar
    My sister is a big Apple fan, but after seeing that she said she may have changed her mind.

    But then I told her she will have to wait a year. Haha
    09-16-2011 11:00 AM
  3. bear_lx's Avatar
    yea it is early stages, but i am glad they are teasing it already... lets us who are considering a tablet know whats coming! i was very close to purchasing a tablet last month, and decided to wait for a win8... unlike others, i want my tablet to do everything a pc does... i dont need another oversized phone? in one of pronks columns, he stated his readers hated it, and that they didnt need all that in a tablet? WHAT? thats crazy, why wouldnt you want your tablet to everything a pc does? the ipad is literally an oversized ipod touch? it doesn have a full OS... rather a mobile OS. although this is very early, there is absolutely no comparison at all. and for those of us who watched the BUILD demo, we know what the possibilities are with this eco system, and in addition, whats coming! im stoked
    09-16-2011 11:12 AM
  4. selfcreation's Avatar
    PWN APPLE IN THE FACE! --> LIKE A BOSS!!!

    Ipad looks like a kids play thing compare to W8.....that you by at TOY*R*US for 19`95......
    09-16-2011 11:38 AM
  5. Reflexx's Avatar
    Also, if someone doesn't need a full blown PC in slate form, they could just get a Windows 8 ARM tablet.
    09-16-2011 11:38 AM
  6. DrBatman's Avatar
    I'm sure Apple will have raised their game by the time the Win 8 tablets ship so it's a bit pointless comparing at the moment.

    I think we're entering exciting times as consumers though...the more good options the better ;)
    09-16-2011 11:50 AM
  7. selfcreation's Avatar
    I'm sure Apple will have raised their game by the time the Win 8 tablets ship so it's a bit pointless comparing at the moment.

    I think we're entering exciting times as consumers though...the more good options the better ;)
    not really

    Apple alredy raised the bar with IOS 5 witch will come out what? 3-6 months before W8 tablet.... then w8 tablet will have a 6month advantige before Ios6 will conme out to compete with W8...

    apple is in trouble.
    Last edited by Se1fcr3ation; 09-16-2011 at 12:01 PM.
    09-16-2011 11:56 AM
  8. DrBatman's Avatar
    If Win 8 turns out to be the game changer that we all want and hope for, I can see Apple doubling up on their efforts with iOS to target a fall release for a new gen of iPads.

    Remember they were apparantly set for a new version of iPad to ship about now (with retina display and all the bells and whistles that goes with that) which has been deleayed due to hardware sourcing issues. They'll already be developing new stuff (and looking VERY closely at what Win 8 is doing to see what bits they can pinch to improve their own).

    I will agree though, that the current Win 8 build is indicating a final version which will blow all the current stuff out the water. I think the biggest losers could be Google with Android more than anything though (especially if the manufacturers can get the price point nailed)
    09-16-2011 12:05 PM
  9. bear_lx's Avatar
    not much more apple can do? of course they will have increased processor speed and memory, but what about the OS? they havent changed ios in years! lion was a big deal and what did it bring, not much... now you can change the wallpaper! woopie! and all these icons! apple makes a nice smooth running product, but i must admit they are boring. only reason i would consider them is because there is nothing else... android is a joke, far too laggy.

    i mean look at the ipad as compared to ipad 2, they are the same d*mn thing! one is thinner.
    look at the iphone 3g vs iphone 4, same d*mn thing, one is sleaker with a flat back... so what would a next gen ipad bring that would honestly enhance that experience? or better yet, how could you ?
    09-16-2011 12:35 PM
  10. DrBatman's Avatar
    I can think of a lot of things which would enhance the experience... but those things go against the locked down nature of iOS (and is the reason I never went for Apple devices other than a 1st gen iPod touch and a current gen iPod nano).

    If I was sticking with the Apple philosophy, I'd be looking at ways of bringing the productivity programmes they have for their desktops (stuff like Final Cut Pro, an expanded Garage Band, etc). Is through these programmes where Apple gained a lot of it's reputation. If you had a retina display iPad that was capable of running the same stuff as the desktop (and remember, they are also looking long term to bring the desktop and mobile OSs together) then their iPads would fly off the shelves.

    The thing that Apple has (and what MS will have) going for it is the whole "ecosystem". Once you buy into Apple... you get your iPhone...your iPad...Macbook etc, it's going to be difficult to get out. This is one of the main reasons why i think Google might struggle when Win 8 launches; most people who have Android devices will have Windows PCs... would you rather go "all in" with an OS that originated from the phone one one which originated from the PC?
    09-16-2011 12:52 PM
  11. Reflexx's Avatar
    While Apple might lose a little market share, I don't think they'll really be "hurt". Right now they're just making so much money it's nasty. After the Windows 8 slates come out, Apple will likely still be making tons of money.

    Android may have issues though. None of their tablets have as good a user experience as the iPad. And they are just selling as an iPad alternative right now. But if there's another iPad alternative, Android tablets may take an even bigger hit.
    09-16-2011 01:04 PM
  12. Pronk's Avatar
    While Apple might lose a little market share, I don't think they'll really be "hurt". Right now they're just making so much money it's nasty. After the Windows 8 slates come out, Apple will likely still be making tons of money.

    Android may have issues though. None of their tablets have as good a user experience as the iPad. And they are just selling as an iPad alternative right now. But if there's another iPad alternative, Android tablets may take an even bigger hit.
    This. The iPad made a market from nothing and domiates it. Windows 8 tablets are different again. It's the also rans that are at real risk here from a decent alternative.
    09-16-2011 01:23 PM
  13. scottcraft's Avatar
    The thing that Apple has (and what MS will have) going for it is the whole "ecosystem". Once you buy into Apple... you get your iPhone...your iPad...Macbook etc, it's going to be difficult to get out. This is one of the main reasons why i think Google might struggle when Win 8 launches; most people who have Android devices will have Windows PCs... would you rather go "all in" with an OS that originated from the phone one one which originated from the PC?

    I agree with this. My wife has an iphone and I was planning on getting an ipad in the future, but I just might have a windows ecosystem with the Windows 8 tablet. That thing looks pretty sharp. Hopefully you will be able to share apps between the tablet and phone like the ipad and iphone can.
    09-16-2011 02:04 PM
  14. selfcreation's Avatar
    Hopefully you will be able to share apps between the tablet and phone like the ipad and iphone can.
    not only will you be able to do Phone to tablet but also to PC and Xbox!! ..

    check this out: Windows 8 and Windows Phone cross-platform multiplayer to become a reality | wpcentral | Windows Phone News, Forums, and Reviews
    09-16-2011 02:26 PM
  15. jfa1's Avatar
    I have been toying with the idea of a win7 or 8 slate/tablet to replace the deskyop or lapyop but I need it to do word etc but also my windows based bankruptcy filing program and it would be nice to be able to hook up a physical kb and monitor to help the ancient eyes see okay
    09-16-2011 02:56 PM
  16. scottcraft's Avatar
    not only will you be able to do Phone to tablet but also to PC and Xbox!! ..



    check this out: Windows 8 and Windows Phone cross-platform multiplayer to become a reality | wpcentral | Windows Phone News, Forums, and Reviews
    Awesome! This windows stuff keeps getting better and better.

    Sent from my Windows 7 phone using Board Express
    09-16-2011 03:27 PM
  17. Pronk's Avatar
    Awesome! This windows stuff keeps getting better and better.

    Sent from my Windows 7 phone using Board Express
    Ah, that's multiplayer, not app sharing. There's an unconfirmed rumour some WP7 apps will run on the ARM version of windows 8 in some capacity, but they won't run on the desktop x86 version of Windows 8. Similarly any ARM windows 8 apps wont run on the x86 version and vice versa, and any Windows 7 apps you may have will run on the desktop version but won't run on the tablet version. Unless the tablet version you have is the x86 one rather than the ARM one.

    Simple! ;)
    09-16-2011 04:05 PM
  18. SirHaxalot's Avatar
    This will be an easy fight for Microsoft. It feels like Apple gave minimal though on the user interface on the iPad, when Microsoft put a team on designing an as good an innovative UI as possible.

    I'm probably going to buy a W7 tablet and install the W8 beta on it as soon as it launches and then tease everyone with a iPad / Android tablet. :D
    Last edited by SirHaxalot; 09-16-2011 at 04:46 PM.
    09-16-2011 04:40 PM
  19. Reflexx's Avatar
    Ah, that's multiplayer, not app sharing. There's an unconfirmed rumour some WP7 apps will run on the ARM version of windows 8 in some capacity, but they won't run on the desktop x86 version of Windows 8. Similarly any ARM windows 8 apps wont run on the x86 version and vice versa, and any Windows 7 apps you may have will run on the desktop version but won't run on the tablet version. Unless the tablet version you have is the x86 one rather than the ARM one.

    Simple! ;)
    Just for the sake if clarity...

    All Metro Style Apps will run on all Windows 8 devices.

    Desktop programs (traditional programs) will only run on x86/x64 devices.
    09-16-2011 06:31 PM
  20. psychotron's Avatar
    I'm sure Apple will have raised their game by the time the Win 8 tablets ship so it's a bit pointless comparing at the moment.

    I think we're entering exciting times as consumers though...the more good options the better ;)
    I also think it's a bit pointless but because the two devices represent two different dynamics. The iPad's main focus is consumption and the Win8 slate, while good at consumption as well, definitely has more of a productivity slant. MS already said themselves that their intention is not to compete with the iPad because they are designed to serve two different functions. But we all know that as they announced it that the comparisons were going to be inevitable. Anything to give the bloggers an excuse to stir the pot....
    09-16-2011 06:43 PM
  21. Pronk's Avatar
    Ok, having watched the video properly, first thing that strikes me is that it's a pretty silly comparison. It's a product available now with last year's software on against a product available sometime next year with pre-release software on. You can't really draw any conclusions on features from that because things could change a lot on both OSs in the meantime.

    Secondly, making comparisons on performance isn't much use either. The W8 tablet is running a developer build with basically not much on it. We don't know if it'll run slower with "proper" apps installed, or maybe even faster when the code is better optimised. Also, we have no idea what's running on the iPad, how much memory is being used, what apps are backgrounded etc. It's not even remotely starting from a level playing field - for either of them.

    What it does show is that there isn't actually that much between them as things stand now - the W8 slate has a few more unlock options, it seems a little more awkward to rearrange things on the W8 slate - though of course live tiles give more info than iOSs notification markers. Browsers - not much in it as it stands, but again pretty meaningless comparing last year's Safari against an unreleased bleeding edge built of IE. Handwriting on the W8 slate is nice - a genuine plus point there.

    Things that they don't compare. First, and most obvious, size. That W8 slate is a big beast. The sweet spot in the market so far seems to be around 10 inches, so it's going to be interesting what consumer's take on a bigger device is. And of course bigger means heavier (especially as it's got more hardware such as fans in), and a bigger screen sucking down more battery (and again, fans etc will use more juice) so it would have been interesting to see them matched up there (though again, to be fair to the W8 slate the software isn't finished so I would expect battery life to improve).

    I think the W8 slate is a nice bit of kit, for sure. But I'm wondering how many of the "full OS" tablets will make up the potential W8 tablet market - after all, full Windows 7 tablets are available right now, and make up a fraction of a fraction of tablet PC sales, so just how important is it to have a full desktop OS on an ultraportable device? Nice, sure, but essential?

    I think the REAL comparison will be an iPad 3 running iOS 5 against an ARM W8 slate running release software against an Android tablet running Ice-Cream Sandwich (or whatever they've released by then). Then we'll really see like for like - or as close as. Regardless, I think it's pretty safe to say there's never been a better time to be a gadget lover!
    09-17-2011 05:16 AM
  22. scottcraft's Avatar
    I understood the ipad was running ios5 beta. Maybe I understood wrong?

    Sent from my Windows 7 phone using Board Express
    09-17-2011 05:35 AM
  23. TheWeeBear's Avatar
    09-17-2011 06:27 AM
  24. D.A.R.Y.L.'s Avatar
    I really hope Windows 8 is a big success.
    I never had any problems or viruses as Mac owners would say. XP, Vista, and 7 always worked flawlessly on all the systems I have owned. Even with Vista with it's negative reviews, I always liked it and it worked for me.

    Now I hope they can be a big player in the tablet market. I did buy an android tab.. An Acer Iconia a500 and it's not bad but all the little glitches is just simply annoying. (I should have bought the W500 with Win 7). I can't even browse the web without getting force close errors. Anyways, I'll be that guy to wait in line for release of a windows 8 tablet.
    09-21-2011 08:32 AM
LINK TO POST COPIED TO CLIPBOARD