02-22-2012 04:27 PM
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  1. palandri's Avatar
    I'm curious about how Microsoft's policies and practices compare to Google's when it comes to online services. For example, does MS scan your email? Is there a good comparison somewhere?

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    That's a good question. While i totally understand why people are upset with Google. I am not sure the alternatives are that much better.
    01-29-2012 07:06 AM
  2. palandri's Avatar
    MS don't scan emails.

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    LOL! Are you sure? Aren't there submarines that grab on to transcontinental internet fiber for the puposes of spying on others? Do we really have privacy on the internet?
    01-29-2012 07:10 AM
  3. Big Supes's Avatar
    LOL! Are you sure? Aren't there submarines that grab on to transcontinental internet fiber for the puposes of spying on others? Do we really have privacy on the internet?
    When it comes to our mail, MS don't scan emails. Straight from the horses mouth. :)
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    01-29-2012 07:26 AM
  4. 1jaxstate1's Avatar
    Gmail is my main email. Didn't want to even start using Hotmail, but was forced to. I've been using Chrome for years, its the best browser fir windows7. I've never been a fan of Firefox, I'd rather.use IE.
    The Google suite looks much better and is simply nicer to use on the desktop. I much prefer Gmail to Hotmail (apart from the awkward loading times, this could change with a Metro overhaul), there's no alternative to YouTube and Google still gives me the results I want better than Bing. I adopted Chrome while everyone was still raving about Firefox (though I'm braving out IE9 now due to the better font smoothing).


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    01-29-2012 07:43 AM
  5. palandri's Avatar
    Look at all the additional 3rd party cookies we receive off wpcentral:

    google-analytics.net
    cloudfront.net
    chartbeat.com
    quantserve.com
    netshelter.net

    What do they do?
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    01-29-2012 07:45 AM
  6. Big Supes's Avatar
    Gmail is my main email. Didn't want to even start using Hotmail, but was forced to. I've been using Chrome for years, its the best browser fir windows7. I've never been a fan of Firefox, I'd rather.use IE.




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    This whole "forced to sign up with Hotmail/Gmail" argument, IMO, is very different in each case. For example, if I bought Android, I would naturally want a gmail account to take use of the 'brand' and all of it's services. Saying "I was forced to sign up with Hotmail" when buying a "Windows" Phone doesn't make any sense to me. "Forced by common sense" quite possibly?

    Regarding Google's Gmail account requirement for Youtube, being "forced" really strikes at the heart of the situation. In my case, I had my Youtube account, then Google came along and 'forced' me to sign up with Gmail in order to keep using it. Why can't I use my Hotmail account for Youtube? It's merely a video broadcasting website..... OOHHHH, I get it... you want to 'force' me into having multiple Google accounts so you can collectively collect all of my data and sell it on. Well, guess what? GFY Google.







    ...... AND BREATHE! :D
    01-29-2012 07:59 AM
  7. 1jaxstate1's Avatar
    Common sense isn't very common. Go try and start a dev account. I haven't seen anyone say they had to have a Hotmail accounnt to use a WP7. Eh.

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    01-29-2012 08:56 AM
  8. jalb's Avatar
    I closed all my Google accounts last night too Dave.

    Only one i ever used really was YouTube.

    I actually feel a lot better now I've dumped Google, strange. :D
    The one thing stopping me is google docs. I wish there was an easy way to transfer all your docs to sky drive.
    01-29-2012 09:32 AM
  9. mhans311's Avatar
    With apple you give up control. With google you give up privacy. With Microsoft you give up a bit of convenience and functionality. Every company has pros and cons.

    If you want to use YouTube google makes you sign up with google because they own YouTube. Just like if you want to use any Microsoft services you have to sign up with them. Makes sense to me.


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    01-29-2012 09:56 AM
  10. Big Supes's Avatar
    With apple you give up control. With google you give up privacy. With Microsoft you give up a bit of convenience and functionality. Every company has pros and cons.

    If you want to use YouTube google makes you sign up with google because they own YouTube. Just like if you want to use any Microsoft services you have to sign up with them. Makes sense to me.


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    I don't have to sign up to Hotmail to install Windows, use Bing, Office, etc. This would be like MS kicking everyone (who doesn't have a Hotmail account) out of their Skype accounts and forcing them to open a Hotmail account. It makes zero sense to me.
    01-29-2012 11:50 AM
  11. dragonide's Avatar
    I already switched to bing some time ago ....

    The only thing I still use is YouTube, that won't be easy to replace :(
    01-29-2012 04:59 PM
  12. Residing's Avatar
    This whole "forced to sign up with Hotmail/Gmail" argument, IMO, is very different in each case. For example, if I bought Android, I would naturally want a gmail account to take use of the 'brand' and all of it's services. Saying "I was forced to sign up with Hotmail" when buying a "Windows" Phone doesn't make any sense to me. "Forced by common sense" quite possibly?

    Regarding Google's Gmail account requirement for Youtube, being "forced" really strikes at the heart of the situation. In my case, I had my Youtube account, then Google came along and 'forced' me to sign up with Gmail in order to keep using it. Why can't I use my Hotmail account for Youtube? It's merely a video broadcasting website..... OOHHHH, I get it... you want to 'force' me into having multiple Google accounts so you can collectively collect all of my data and sell it on. Well, guess what? GFY Google.







    ...... AND BREATHE! :D
    @Big Supes...So that I'm clear with regards to your encounter: You already had a YouTube account, but then Google notified you that you had to 'adopt' their other services (i.e. Google+, etc.)?

    I have a YouTube account, and a GVoice number (that I give out on occasion but hardly use), but I have not been notifed by Google to sign up for their other services. If they do notify me, then i will terminate these two services. I do NOT want Google+ or Gmail, or anything else Google.
    01-29-2012 05:01 PM
  13. Gawain's Avatar
    Well Google went and did it they have added the straw that broke the camel's back at least for me. I have closed out all my G-stuff deleted all contacts and emails. I have a coupe of people I email using Gmail so I have to keep the account opened if I could get those guys off that I wouldn't ever use Google again. Why!?

    Google is watching every step you take

    I signed my new licensing agreement yesterday just like all Google users will have to do allowing Google to categorize all my activities. Why am I not comfortable with this? Mostly because I dont have the option to opt out. Would I opt out probably not I dont really care what they are doing with my information in the end it might even benefit me but I do want the option. What do you guys say are you okay with Google tracking you? Do you think you should have the option to pass on them tracking you?

    As a Microsoft enthusiast I have all my stuff in Bing, Live and Hotmail anyways so it no loss to me. I dont really use Google anyways do you? Give me your thoughts on this everyone am I over reacting?
    I lurk around here most of the time. I think you're overreacting for the following reasons:

    1. Google's new policies barely bring it to parity with Facebook. If you're on Facebook, it doesn't much matter.
    2. Unless you use some type of anonymous-blocking web-browser, Google Analytics, along with about 2 dozen other tracking cookies record your browser activity/telemetry (Explorer, Chrome, Opera, even Firefox are all built to allow these tools to operate).
    3. If you have a cell phone and enable any type of GPS locator services, ad services will eventually tie in to some carrier program which will also "link" various services to you and your accounts.
    4. Just about every online/media/connected device or service does the same thing. Yahoo!, MSN Live, AOL, cellular carrier, et al...

    I don't necessarily blame you for your reaction, but this activity that Google is integrating doesn't really separate them from the pack. Remember all the hooplah over CarrierIQ? That service did *less* than what all these other activities do and one blog/media twist starts a whole sh!tstorm.

    Reality, there is no big conspiracy to enable a track on every individual out there by evil corporations for purposes of serving some obscure government master. Reality is this: if you did a search on Google for chinese restaurants in San Francisco and used your gmail account to invite some friends for dinner, Google is going to tally that statistic in some grand database to sell ad space to all the chinese restaurants in town because "someone" likes chinese. Not because you were in your living room streaming Family Guy clips on Youtube and they activated your camera to see you were eating Chow Mein and they focused on the take out receipt hanging on outside of the bag...catch my drift?

    It comes down to money. If they are able to target demographics for their clients for the purposes of selling ad space for products you already buy and use there isn't much new happening here. The fact that it links your Google+ with your Gmail, with Google searches shouldn't really surprise anyone should it (h*ll, I thought it already did)? Look at all the Facebook integration over the past 12 months...****, my Ghostify says there are 5 tracking cookies on this page I'm typing on alone...

    So, in the end, I'm not bashing your concerns for privacy. I'm simply throwing my two-cents worth of perspective out there. If you're on the grid in any way, it doesn't matter what Google does...
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    01-29-2012 08:27 PM
  14. Dave Blake's Avatar
    @Gawain I like what you have to say and you are right in some ways and in some ways you are not. I am not well enough informed to support a solid counterpoint to my objections to what you are saying so I will save that for another day and thread. Thanks again for your comments you have some good points. As to over reacting in my case not really I didn't use goggle much anyways so I will barely miss their services.
    01-29-2012 08:41 PM
  15. willied's Avatar
    @Big Supes...So that I'm clear with regards to your encounter: You already had a YouTube account, but then Google notified you that you had to 'adopt' their other services (i.e. Google+, etc.)?
    What he's saying is that you have to have a Google account to make/have a Youtube account even if you signed up for Youtube before Google bought it.
    01-29-2012 10:35 PM
  16. 5tephen's Avatar
    What he's saying is that you have to have a Google account to make/have a Youtube account even if you signed up for Youtube before Google bought it.
    Exactly. I created a YouTube account in 06 but once Google decided you have to have a Gmail account to link it to, I had no other option if I wanted to keep my account.

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    01-29-2012 10:39 PM
  17. Gawain's Avatar
    @Gawain I like what you have to say and you are right in some ways and in some ways you are not. I am not well enough informed to support a solid counterpoint to my objections to what you are saying so I will save that for another day and thread. Thanks again for your comments you have some good points. As to over reacting in my case not really I didn't use goggle much anyways so I will barely miss their services.
    Like I said before, I totally understand anyone's concerns over Google's shift in their policy (whether it's rational or irrational). I, for one, think this was part of their long term plan from the time they started Gmail and Google Docs oh so long ago. All these "free" services have a cost to them. We always knew that Google's data mining was top shelf, the company makes enormous amounts of money in this line of work - it's an amazing model.

    Now we know the true "cost" of these "free" services. Part of me would not be surprised if there wasn't a tiered pay service down the road which allows users, small/large businesses to opt out (I pay $20/year so I don't have ads in my Yahoo! mail). Only time will tell.

    Meanwhile, while Microsoft may not "scan" email content, we do know how "cloud" dependent WP7 is, and with the advent of Windows 8 coming soon, using the same metro theme updated in real time on the desktop, the "cloud" only gets more important. Microsoft will use this to "add value" to its back-end services (demographics, telematics, services, feeds used, etc). That may put it in a perspective to explain my point a little more clearly.

    Some might call it evil. Some might call it wrong. I call it neither. It is simply an evolution of a common marketing practice in use since the "frequent shopper" cards were introduced in supermarkets decades ago. Yes, they were tracking what was bought and how often. It's not a lens on your personal life so much as a lens to know what is selling and when so the stores can better position themselves with food company category managers. It also afforded them the opportunity to offer coupons to entice your continued patronage. As technology has advanced, it has enabled a lot more of the understanding of "behavior" to really appeal to that consumer out there.

    So, overreact? Maybe the wrong word. Let's just say that while I understand yours and others' concerns, I do not believe there is cause for concern for most people out there.

    Interesting times huh? :-P
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    01-29-2012 11:41 PM
  18. gwydionjhr's Avatar
    I haven't closed my YouTube account, but I have shifted my search provider over to Bing.

    The one thing I did learn in all this was how FB tracks your activities so long as you're logged in. My office computer runs 24/7, and I've got a half dozen tabs that are always open. As of this week, FB is only logged in to check things, and then I log out again before moving on to the next thing.
    01-30-2012 12:08 AM
  19. Giddora's Avatar
    I was semi-fine as long as I could choose which Google-services had access to my information... But I'm done with Google since this policy update. I simply don't want some weird Google service that I have ever heard of ever yell at me:

    "Hey Johan! I saw you were browsing underwear over at site.com, this is a Google service that will let you create your own underpants... With Bragle you can choose..." bla bla...

    Nah... Google... Kthxbye...
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    01-30-2012 04:36 AM
  20. TGBmark1234's Avatar
    switching to hotmail this weekend (need to look at MS' article on switching). any viable options for calendar and reader?
    Hotmail/Windows Live includes calendar that syncs nicely with WP7, and Outlook if you use the Connector.
    01-30-2012 05:54 AM
  21. Narr's Avatar
    I've never been a big fan of Google so don't have any of their services, I have just deleted my Facebook account though due to the changes they are implementing.
    I haven't ever felt comfortable with Google products, they are a data mining company and it's their main business. for Microsoft it's just a loss leader to access other services so I've always been more at ease with putting my data on Skydrive and using Hotmail.
    01-30-2012 08:59 AM
  22. Big Supes's Avatar
    @Big Supes...So that I'm clear with regards to your encounter: You already had a YouTube account, but then Google notified you that you had to 'adopt' their other services (i.e. Google+, etc.)?

    I have a YouTube account, and a GVoice number (that I give out on occasion but hardly use), but I have not been notifed by Google to sign up for their other services. If they do notify me, then i will terminate these two services. I do NOT want Google+ or Gmail, or anything else Google.
    In my case, I had a Youtube account for over a year when, out of nowhere, I was prompted to sign up with Gmail in order to keep using it. I kept putting it off, until eventually, I was lock out of my account. To say I was peeved is an understatement.

    What he's saying is that you have to have a Google account to make/have a Youtube account even if you signed up for Youtube before Google bought it.
    Exactly that. It's this type of monopoly game play that forced me to divorce Apple. I like to have the freedom of choice and I really don't see what benefit a Gmail account has over Hotmail when I'm simply using Youtube, and only Youtube.


    Exactly. I created a YouTube account in 06 but once Google decided you have to have a Gmail account to link it to, I had no other option if I wanted to keep my account.

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    Exactly what happened to me.
    01-30-2012 10:02 AM
  23. mprice86's Avatar
    I feel like I was pretty well informed with how Google was using my data previously, the whole web-tracking, usage-logging thing is nothing new, especially to Google who make their money off it. They used to be all about search and selling ads that related to those searches. Now your searches track you all over the web, so if you search for laptops once or twice, any site you visit that has google ads will have ads for laptops.

    Anyway, I can't say that the announcement about pooling all the data they collect on people so that all their services can access it was a shock, I assumed it was already happening, and it probably was but in order to not "be evil" they made an announcement and changed their T&Cs.

    The problem of course is that Google is hands down the best search provider available today. Bing is improving, but still suffers on occasion from the same problems that the likes of Altavista and Lycos did back in the day. That is to say, irrelevant or unhelpful results.

    As for the rest of Google's services, I used Gmail a lot, but switched to a new Hotmail account to keep everything in the one place. Once I can be sure I'm getting nothing I want through to that address my whole Google account will be gone. They can still provide searches relative to my IP address (and MAC address too I guess?) but they'll not be reading any more emails or documents.
    01-30-2012 02:58 PM
  24. dogfish54's Avatar
    I am just mad that Google seems to be making it hard for WP7 to have decent apps for google services e.g youtube

    I have switched mail to Windows Live. Unfortunately it will take me a while before I can update my email address everywhere.
    01-30-2012 06:41 PM
  25. markthompson23's Avatar
    The one thing stopping me is google docs. I wish there was an easy way to transfer all your docs to sky drive.
    Google docs allows you to export all your files to a zip file. Export your files. Get a Skydrive account (if you don't already have one). Then you can upload the files to Skydrive manually (you can upload multiple files at once so it's not that big of a pain.)
    01-30-2012 09:42 PM
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