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  1. Oliver Newell's Avatar
    I don't understand the high fuel taxes in places like the UK, but hey... I have two cars, a rather fuel efficient BMW 3series 6cyl and a rather hungry Jeep G.Cherokee 5.7. But fuel is only part of the calculation of owning a car... Depreciation and service and parts also cost. At the end of the day my second hand Jeep cost me less per mile than a new BMW X5 diesel. And I don't buy diesels anyhow, I need heating here in the mountains... They are all just taxing us to pay for all kind of ridiculous state employees benefits that we can only dream of!
    That is true. Its like it makes me laugh when people say "Oh Im going to trade in my Mondeo 2 litre petrol for a 1.6 TDI Golf" when diesel is more expensive that petroleum in the UK at least, VW parts and service prices are very high and their reliability is quite poor. Hybrids like mine for some, especially those who are not constantly commuting up and down the country make more financial sense.
    06-02-2013 02:04 PM
  2. Coolknight1968's Avatar
    That is true. Its like it makes me laugh when people say "Oh Im going to trade in my Mondeo 2 litre petrol for a 1.6 TDI Golf" when diesel is more expensive that petroleum in the UK at least, VW parts and service prices are very high and their reliability is quite poor. Hybrids like mine for some, especially those who are not constantly commuting up and down the country make more financial sense.
    In Switzerland the Hybrids are also becoming very popular, Toyota is doing a fine job on them, especially quality wise.
    06-03-2013 05:51 PM
  3. kalo88's Avatar
    We pay about $9-10 per gallon here in the UK, I think you guys over in the US are doing pretty ok.....
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    06-04-2013 10:54 AM
  4. Guytronic's Avatar
    One hundred eighty four bucks ... !
    That's what a fill-up cost right now for the pick-up we tow our trailer with.
    46 gallons there's a 10 gallon back-up tank that's why the 46 gallons.

    Pretty depressing at the pump anymore.
    We don't drive much tho ...
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    03-18-2014 08:21 PM
  5. palandri's Avatar
    One hundred eighty four bucks ... !
    That's what a fill-up cost right now for the pick-up we tow our trailer with.
    46 gallons there's a 10 gallon back-up tank that's why the 46 gallons.

    Pretty depressing at the pump anymore.
    We don't drive much tho ...
    That hurts.
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    03-18-2014 08:55 PM
  6. muneshyne21's Avatar
    Smartest most adult decision I've made recently is trading my C30 Volvo in for a 2010 Prius.
    $36 gets me around 450 miles. Regular +9 gallon tank +48-50mpg.
    I think I save myself $3000 buck last year in gas alone going from Premium + 14 gallon tank + 18-20 mpg.
    True its not as zippy but Toyota designed the instrumentation to be engaging and challenging allowing my inner competitiveness another outlet in the form of MPG score.
    Its proven quite a workhorse. I've loaded it up with 400lbs of chicken and had no problems. Even with 4 passengers (500lbs incl. luggage) I can get 45-47 mpg.

    Even in Los Angeles, Im seeing more people on bicycles because of the gas
    03-18-2014 11:39 PM
  7. palandri's Avatar
    Here's the smartest thing I've seen. Electric cars for rent in France. Your gas bill is -0-
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    03-19-2014 12:06 AM
  8. berty6294's Avatar
    Its proven quite a workhorse. I've loaded it up with 400lbs of chicken and had no problems.
    I'm kinda curious why you loaded a Prius up with 400lbs of chicken. lol
    03-19-2014 12:29 AM
  9. muneshyne21's Avatar
    I'm kinda curious why you loaded a Prius up with 400lbs of chicken. lol
    I was HUNGRY! Haha. No. I run a restaurant so Im constantly buying meat and produce. When Chicken started to skyrocket in price, I found it was cheaper for me to pick it up at Costco or a Poultry Supplier myself. I dont think the rear suspension appreciated it much though...
    03-19-2014 12:37 AM
  10. Guytronic's Avatar
    Starting to see a lot of the Nissan Leaf's around here.
    I'm really curious about them.
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    03-19-2014 11:31 AM
  11. muneshyne21's Avatar
    Since Im in LA I see Teslas a lot as well as Leafs. I also notice our Metro lightrail system being used by more people. All in all though, 48-50mpg is good enough. Because of the Law of diminishing returns, 60mpg would only save me a couple hundred bucks more a year. Im getting spoiled though. My next car will have to get similar mpg or be a plugin hybrid. I cant go back to 20mpg unless gas goes back down to $1 a gallon (Dating myself here but that was in 1997?) :P
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    03-20-2014 01:09 PM
  12. palandri's Avatar
    About 12 - 13 years ago at the Illinois State Fair, in the Alternative Energy Exhibit, there was a company from out east that was converting gas cars to electric cars. I think the price was $26,000 for an electric Ford Escort car. They were looking for investors, Which was probably a bad time to look for investors since most people weren't looking for electric cars back then. They had a Ford Escort that they converted to electric. They actually drove it from their shop to Illinois and made stops in other states along the way.

    Their conversion used what I think they called zinc air batteries. I believe they said the batteries would last 8 years, and would cost $8,000 to replace (something like that) The Escort had like a 225 mile range on a charge and topped out at 75mph. I think they said 4 hour charging on 220v and 8 hour charging on 110v. It was fitted with a small kerosene heater for the winter and they told me it used 3 pints of kerosene in a new england winter.

    I wonder whatever.happen to them?
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    03-20-2014 01:38 PM
  13. Guytronic's Avatar
    About 12 - 13 years ago at the Illinois State Fair, in the Alternative Energy Exhibit, there was a company from out east that was converting gas cars to electric cars. I think the price was $26,000. They were looking for investors, Which was probably a bad time to look for investors since most people weren't looking for electric cars back then. They had a Ford Escort that they converted to electric. They actually drove it from their shop to Illinois and made stops in other states along the way.

    Their conversion used what I think they called zinc air batteries. I believe they said the batteries would last 8 years, and would cost $8,000 to replace (something like that) The Escort had like a 225 mile range on a charge and topped out at 75mph. I think they said 4 hour charging on 220v and 8 hour charging on 110v. It was fitted with a small kerosene heater for the winter and they told me it used 3 pints of kerosene in a new England winter.

    I wonder whatever happen to them?
    I think I remember seeing something like this at CalExpo (California State Fair) a number of years ago.
    The company was converting Volkswagen Rabbits to electric.

    Maybe we are starting to finally see the beginning of the end for gas\diesel vehicles or at least the really inefficient ones.

    Thinking so many of us are really getting tired of playing the gas station price game.
    Be so nice to just drive past the gas pump and not even give it a second thought.

    Then again I can see us all crowded around those power-up stations that are being installed around here
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    03-20-2014 01:57 PM
  14. palandri's Avatar
    I think I remember seeing something like this at CalExpo (California State Fair) a number of years ago.
    The company was converting Volkswagen Rabbits to electric.

    Maybe we are starting to finally see the beginning of the end for gas\diesel vehicles or at least the really inefficient ones.

    Thinking so many of us are really getting tired of playing the gas station price game.
    Be so nice to just drive past the gas pump and not even give it a second thought.

    Then again I can see us all crowded around those power-up stations that are being installed around here
    I think the only thing that scares people away from electric cars is range. The Nissan Leaf can go 75 miles on a charge. Those electric card from France that I posted can go 62 miles. That Escort I saw at the Illinois State Fair could go 225 miles, and I think that's the range people would feel safe with.
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    03-20-2014 02:28 PM
  15. muneshyne21's Avatar
    I think the only thing that scares people away from electric cars is range. The Nissan Leaf can go 75 miles on a charge. Those electric card from France that I posted can go 62 miles. That Escort I saw at the Illinois State Fair could go 225 miles, and I think that's the range people would feel safe with.
    The sad possibility is that an oil company bought the patent and rights to it an shelved it so it wouldnt be a competitor. How big were the batteries? I wonder how much kick it had. Most of the electric innovations started less than 10 years ago. Before that the batteries were either too big, couldnt withstand enough charging cycles, not enough range or cost too much.
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    03-20-2014 02:35 PM
  16. ttsoldier's Avatar
    Costs me about 90-100$ to full up my truck. that's about 66L

    That's about 14-16USD to full up.

    That will get me average 370- 430miles driving. mix between highway and city driving.

    No complaints here :)
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    03-20-2014 02:50 PM
  17. Guytronic's Avatar
    Yoop ...
    The range limit would be a concern.
    It would probably be good for oldtimers like us or short commuters.

    Wondering if electric vehicles may have other reduced cost benefits like lower insurance premiums, tax subsidies.
    Do the current electrics charge on low voltage or do they need 220 AC?
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    03-20-2014 02:50 PM
  18. palandri's Avatar
    The sad possibility is that an oil company bought the patent and rights to it an shelved it so it wouldnt be a competitor. How big were the batteries? I wonder how much kick it had. Most of the electric innovations started less than 10 years ago. Before that the batteries were either too big, couldnt withstand enough charging cycles, not enough range or cost too much.
    As I recall, the batteries were long and thin and they said they simply needed air. I had never heard of or seen batteries like these before. I wish I would have paid more attention to it at the time.
    Last edited by palandri; 03-20-2014 at 03:37 PM.
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    03-20-2014 03:20 PM
  19. muneshyne21's Avatar
    Yoop ...
    Wondering if electric vehicles may have other reduced cost benefits like lower insurance premiums, tax subsidies.
    Do the current electrics charge on low voltage or do they need 220 AC?
    Both. Normal outlet charge takes a while though. In the US there are tax subsidies. California has their own as well.
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    03-20-2014 11:10 PM
  20. berty6294's Avatar
    I believe they also have access to HOV lanes regardless of how many passengers they have
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    03-22-2014 09:32 PM
  21. tgp's Avatar
    I think the only thing that scares people away from electric cars is range. The Nissan Leaf can go 75 miles on a charge. Those electric card from France that I posted can go 62 miles. That Escort I saw at the Illinois State Fair could go 225 miles, and I think that's the range people would feel safe with.
    I think another issue is how long it takes to charge. It doesn't matter so much if you're driving local and plug it in at home, but if you're on a trip and need to recharge, time is a big issue. With gasoline we spend 10 minutes filling up, and we're good for 8 hours of driving. But if we have to stop every hour or two and spend ???? time recharging, that's a problem.
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    03-22-2014 10:00 PM
  22. muneshyne21's Avatar
    I think another issue is how long it takes to charge. It doesn't matter so much if you're driving local and plug it in at home, but if you're on a trip and need to recharge, time is a big issue. With gasoline we spend 10 minutes filling up, and we're good for 8 hours of driving. But if we have to stop every hour or two and spend ???? time recharging, that's a problem.
    This is probably why places like California have more Teslas. They have a chain of superchargers up and down the state. They can charge the Tesla to 50% in 20 minutes and 80% in 40 minutes! Basically grab something to eat and come back 80% charged. You can get it 100% charged in just 75 minutes. Whats best about this is that the supercharger for Teslas are free for now. Thats like buying a BMW and getting free gas at select stations. Seriously, this guy is single handedly proving EV's are viable for long distance trips.
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    03-23-2014 11:42 PM
  23. berty6294's Avatar
    This is probably why places like California have more Teslas. They have a chain of superchargers up and down the state. They can charge the Tesla to 50% in 20 minutes and 80% in 40 minutes! Basically grab something to eat and come back 80% charged. You can get it 100% charged in just 75 minutes. Whats best about this is that the supercharger for Teslas are free for now. Thats like buying a BMW and getting free gas at select stations. Seriously, this guy is single handedly proving EV's are viable for long distance trips.
    I totally agree with that. Most people don't want to wait 20 minutes for gas, but if you were getting the gas for free I'm sure not a single person on earth would have a problem just waiting the 20 minutes!
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    03-24-2014 07:55 AM
  24. jmshub's Avatar
    This is probably why places like California have more Teslas. They have a chain of superchargers up and down the state. They can charge the Tesla to 50% in 20 minutes and 80% in 40 minutes! Basically grab something to eat and come back 80% charged. You can get it 100% charged in just 75 minutes. Whats best about this is that the supercharger for Teslas are free for now. Thats like buying a BMW and getting free gas at select stations. Seriously, this guy is single handedly proving EV's are viable for long distance trips.
    That's still not as practical as gasoline powered vehicles. I think they are interesting, but I know they wouldn't work for my use case. There are many days at work that I drive further than the range of an electric car.
    03-24-2014 11:38 AM
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