1. sahib lopez's Avatar
    Just admit you took the easy way out and asked here instead of looking it up...after all, you should remember I'm in social work school getting an MSW...but if you forgot that's Ok because I had mentioned this on the thread in the pre Nadia days so that's light years ago for you...

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    Well no ...I was taught to ask Instead of assuming something. For all I know if I did search that and it came up with something different and said it I would like a bigger ***** than asking about something I didn't know.thats why it's called asking .and I know that you are going to school for that I didn't forget that but the thing with Nadia doesn't have anything to do with me asking a question :/ but my bad for asking since I should "rely" on the Internet for everything


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  2. sahib lopez's Avatar
    And having a billion numbers is better? Nokia Lumia 1520, Lumia 900, 920, 925, 928, blah blah. I prefer simple names, but that won't change my decision in buying a phone. :)
    No nono that had nothing to do with Nokia I'm Just poking fun at phones with letters :p


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    03-01-2014 05:48 PM
  3. sahib lopez's Avatar
    And also there isn't anything wrong with taking an easier way. If there is an easier way way not take it.there is no point doing everything the hard way if there is an option to do it easier.


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    *Splashes water over mia and sahib*.... Too much heat going on
    03-01-2014 06:20 PM
  5. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    Well no ...I was taught to ask Instead of assuming something. For all I know if I did search that and it came up with something different and said it I would like a bigger ***** than asking about something I didn't know.thats why it's called asking .and I know that you are going to school for that I didn't forget that but the thing with Nadia doesn't have anything to do with me asking a question :/ but my bad for asking since I should "rely" on the Internet for everything


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    Don't get your knickers in a knot there.

    You're in college. Research first and asking appropriate questions is the name of the game there. Just because you were taught not to assume doesn't mean you couldn't have researched, then asked a clarifying question based on your research. Doing that helps you to better see when to ask the "Ooh what's that?" and not be seen as lazy or when you ask the "did you mean xxx? Tell me more". Doing it the latter way has more positive benefits to it than it making you look like an ***.

    If you did a Google or bing search, you would see that when you put in DSM, the definition I just gave was the first thing that popped up. If you had simply asked something along the lines of "is this - and listed what you found the DSM was" - you'd have been fine.

    See, you proved my point by saying that you remembered what I was studying in school. Plus, whenever you've asked questions we have answered them here. So yes, I stand by my original statement: you took the shortcut (aka the lazy way) out and asked first before searching to see what it was. It is actually a very fascinating thing you missed out on by not looking it up first...

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    03-01-2014 06:27 PM
  6. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    And also there isn't anything wrong with taking an easier way. If there is an easier way way not take it.there is no point doing everything the hard way if there is an option to do it easier.


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    There is a difference between being "right" and being "correct". You did the right thing by asking. The correct thing was to look it up and then ask for clarification. The easy way is often the right way to do things, but it isn't often the correct way. That's important to know, because lots of evil and injustice happens in the world by people who do the easy way.

    "All it takes for evil to persist is for good people to do nothing. "

    Learning is never easy.

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    03-01-2014 06:34 PM
  7. sahib lopez's Avatar
    Don't get your knickers in a knot there.

    You're in college. Research first and asking appropriate questions is the name of the game there. Just because you were taught not to assume doesn't mean you couldn't have researched, then asked a clarifying question based on your research. Doing that helps you to better see when to ask the "Ooh what's that?" and not be seen as lazy or when you ask the "did you mean xxx? Tell me more". Doing it the latter way has more positive benefits to it than it making you look like an ***.

    If you did a Google or bing search, you would see that when you put in DSM, the definition I just gave was the first thing that popped up. If you had simply asked something along the lines of "is this - and listed what you found the DSM was" - you'd have been fine.

    See, you proved my point by saying that you remembered what I was studying in school. Plus, whenever you've asked questions we have answered them here. So yes, I stand by my original statement: you took the shortcut (aka the lazy way) out and asked first before searching to see what it was. It is actually a very fascinating thing you missed out on by not looking it up first...

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    The difference is you knew what it was ,I didn't and before I even looked it I asked to make sure that's the thing I'm looking up. That's goes back to the point I said I ask first so I don't look like a ***** later by thinking I know what it is. Here's the thing I could of assumed what it was looked it up and said if this what you meant but Insted I chose to ask first then look it up . To me that seems better because it shows interest. But just because I asked" oooohh what's that " it's the easy way " but by me looking it up and they asking its the proper way ? Since when asking about something you never heard a bad thing ? Isn't that how people are going to learn about a subject or thing ?




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  8. sahib lopez's Avatar
    There is a difference between being "right" and being "correct". You did the right thing by asking. The correct thing was to look it up and then ask for clarification. The easy way is often the right way to do things, but it isn't often the correct way. That's important to know, because lots of evil and injustice happens in the world by people who do the easy way.

    "All it takes for evil to persist is for good people to do nothing. "

    Learning is never easy.

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    How is looking up something you never heard of and asking for clarification the correct way. Insted of asking what it is first then to have a solid idea what you are looking for and then to ask more about it. Both lead to the same thing but have different ways. But one makes the person look more arrogant by thinking you knew what the person said instead the other one makes it look humble by asking about it.
    But actually there is evil and injustice because they think they know everything so they never asked and based their knowledge on what they know.
    And learning can be easy if they are willing to learn


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    03-01-2014 07:06 PM
  9. sahib lopez's Avatar
    *Splashes water over mia and sahib*.... Too much heat going on
    O.o that is cold D: it can give both of us hypothermia


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    03-01-2014 07:11 PM
  10. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    The difference is you knew what it was ,I didn't and before I even looked it I asked to make sure that's the thing I'm looking up. That's goes back to the point I said I ask first so I don't look like a ***** later by thinking I know what it is. Here's the thing I could of assumed what it was looked it up and said if this what you meant but Insted I chose to ask first then look it up . To me that seems better because it shows interest. But just because I asked" oooohh what's that " it's the easy way " but by me looking it up and they asking its the proper way ? Since when asking about something you never heard a bad thing ? Isn't that how people are going to learn about a subject or thing ?




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    Sahib, you're just covering your *** here. Which really makes me shake my head because this isn't behavior you've normally shown here on the thread before now. This isn't the first time you got called out on something, but this is the first time you've pulled out the "I'm covering my *** and speaking up card because I didn't like how you called me out" card.

    And just to prove that you couldn't have made an *** of yourself if you had looked it up, and then asked to clarify, I did a google and Bing search myself. Diagnostic and Statistical Manual for Mental Disorders is LITTERED over the first page.

    You're missing my ultimate point: there is more than one way to ask about something you don't know about. HOW you ask about something can be just as important as WHAT you're asking about.

    More specifically, the "oooh! what's that?" approach isn't always appropriate. There are some situations in the real world you ask about stuff like that, you'll come off as unintelligent, lazy and "one of those young people who like to do things the flashy way and don't show effort".

    Dude, I work with youth in your age group for a living. Please believe your response so far isn't anything I don't see on a daily basis in many forms.

    "C'mon Sahib!"
    03-01-2014 07:28 PM
  11. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    How is looking up something you never heard of and asking for clarification the correct way. Insted of asking what it is first then to have a solid idea what you are looking for and then to ask more about it. Both lead to the same thing but have different ways. But one makes the person look more arrogant by thinking you knew what the person said instead the other one makes it look humble by asking about it.
    But actually there is evil and injustice because they think they know everything so they never asked and based their knowledge on what they know.
    And learning can be easy if they are willing to learn


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    Simple. Sometimes looking it up shows a lot more interest and positive traits. Traits such as "being a go getter", not being a afraid to fail or ask smart questions, being thoughtful. Notice I did not say anything about coming back after your researched and running your mouth like you know everything.

    Doing research first allows you to know what questions to ask...the correct ones, not the right ones. It isn't about showing off, because again, whenever you have asked questions here people have answered them, especially when you've looked up the thing a little bit.

    People who understand things a bit better than us know if we are vested because you have to ask the correct questions to get the knowledge. My opinion is unchanged: you weren't vested in this topic, which is ok by me. You've shown that clearly because instead of asking about what the DSM is, you're nitpicking about how you got called out. I mean, we all don't find everything interesting, so I'm not offended.

    Still, there's always jewels of general knowledge to be learned from even those things that don't interest us.
    03-01-2014 07:36 PM
  12. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    I'm going to get some cookies from the Subway across the street before they close. I'm working on two assignments where I have to learn about bipolar and depressive disorders and then accurately diagnose two cases suggested by my professor. It is a TON of information, filled with subtleties, but very informative so far...this stuff is no joke...
    03-01-2014 07:42 PM
  13. sahib lopez's Avatar
    Sahib, you're just covering your *** here. Which really makes me shake my head because this isn't behavior you've normally shown here on the thread before now. This isn't the first time you got called out on something, but this is the first time you've pulled out the "I'm covering my *** and speaking up card because I didn't like how you called me out" card.

    And just to prove that you couldn't have made an *** of yourself if you had looked it up, and then asked to clarify, I did a google and Bing search myself. Diagnostic and Statistical Manual for Mental Disorders is LITTERED over the first page.

    You're missing my ultimate point: there is more than one way to ask about something you don't know about. HOW you ask about something can be just as important as WHAT you're asking about.

    More specifically, the "oooh! what's that?" approach isn't always appropriate. There are some situations in the real world you ask about stuff like that, you'll come off as unintelligent, lazy and "one of those young people who like to do things the flashy way and don't show effort".

    Dude, I work with youth in your age group for a living. Please believe your response so far isn't anything I don't see on a daily basis in many forms.

    "C'mon Sahib!"
    To be honest I don't mind being called out but when there is a reason to. But to call me out on a simple question that I never even heard about is not the way to respond to a person asking that question . It would be different if I did know what you are talking about it then that world make me lazy. again I didn't know what you were talking about, so I can I look up something I never heard of and isn't it the same thing to ask someone who knows than to do a simple search ? If that was true why don't we show little kids look it up first before asking me because its the "harder way " thus making it the correct way ...right ?
    And by working with kids my age might make you relevant to what's going on but that doesn't mean you will understand them.


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  14. sahib lopez's Avatar
    Simple. Sometimes looking it up shows a lot more interest and positive traits. Traits such as "being a go getter", not being a afraid to fail or ask smart questions, being thoughtful. Notice I did not say anything about coming back after your researched and running your mouth like you know everything.

    Doing research first allows you to know what questions to ask...the correct ones, not the right ones. It isn't about showing off, because again, whenever you have asked questions here people have answered them, especially when you've looked up the thing a little bit.

    People who understand things a bit better than us know if we are vested because you have to ask the correct questions to get the knowledge. My opinion is unchanged: you weren't vested in this topic, which is ok by me. You've shown that clearly because instead of asking about what the DSM is, you're nitpicking about how you got called out. I mean, we all don't find everything interesting, so I'm not offended.

    Still, there's always jewels of general knowledge to be learned from even those things that don't interest us.
    Even before anyone starts to get interested in a topic. Don't you have to ask the question what is that ? How does it work ? So I was doing that same thing I was asking but since its bad to ask before looking it up ill base my knowledge on what I know .
    And that third point. How do you know I wasn't interested on that ? I was thinking about it but i thought well I can ask him what that is and then look up more . But what you said was assumption.you thought you knew what I was thinking. No one knows what anybody is thinking or felling or even doing. I could of been doing other things when I asked the question to later look it up like say a quiz I had to do or homework or cleaning my room. Who knows because I was to busy nip picking what you said. But fine that's cool you assumed I wasn't interested just because I didn't talk about it.


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    03-01-2014 08:00 PM
  15. worldspy99's Avatar
    just admit you took the easy way out and asked here instead of looking it up...after all, you should remember i'm in social work school getting an msw...but if you forgot that's ok because i had mentioned this on the thread in the pre nadia days so that's light years ago for you...

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    rofl!
    03-01-2014 08:42 PM
  16. worldspy99's Avatar
    Bing it, Google it were terms I was not familiar with when I went to Grad School :-)
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  17. worldspy99's Avatar
    We now have two eras on this thread BN and PN:-)
    03-01-2014 08:45 PM
  18. worldspy99's Avatar
    BN = Before Nadia
    PN = Post Nadia
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  19. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    And by working with kids my age might make you relevant to what's going on but that doesn't mean you will understand them.


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    You know, I took a moment to look back over the whole conversation and for some reason you took offensive to me telling you to look it up, which I don't know why but doesn't bother me really.

    Things got compounded by you taking offense to what could be the real truth here, how people have been cracking on you and Nadia for the past week and a half and you may not have been too fond of it. Thus you decide to use this opportunity to crack back. Again, doesn't bother me either.

    Actually, Sahib, for your information I have a better understanding of certain things relating to young people than you may do, even though you're a young person currently. As I said just now, you're coming off as posturing and covering your *** over nothing. You're coming off as using deflection, denial and justification as defense mechanisms here, since you want me to go along this route. 10+ years of trained professional experience of working with youth. While I never made a claim to understanding all youth, I now know I should solemnly defer to your wealth of experience because your current age allows you to speak eloquently for all young people.

    I am simply pointing out to you that there is more than one way to ask a question. You asked what it was, I answered it, you posted the comment about it was being better to just ask you (which wasn't necessary, but didn't bother me) than look it up, I ragged you about the Nadia comment and you took the **** to a different extreme. Hey, now I know to be one less person to rag you about her in any way shape or form.

    Seriously, you didn't listen to a word I said this evening, and you certainly proved you didn't hear it it either based on your responses. But I'm not mad and hold nothing against you.

    SMH. Really expected more but everyday you learn something new. There are things I could have said differently,in this conversation, but they wouldn't have made a difference with the roll you went not. That's life...
    03-01-2014 08:46 PM
  20. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    Bing it, Google it were terms I was not familiar with when I went to Grad School :-)
    Times have changed. They talked about not using Wikipedia as a reference at orientation. That cracked me up but the professor who investigates academic integrity wasn't joking.
    03-01-2014 09:03 PM
  21. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    rofl!
    Well, looks like you got the joke. Which it was a joke.
    03-01-2014 09:04 PM
  22. sahib lopez's Avatar
    You know, I took a moment to look back over the whole conversation and for some reason you took offensive to me telling you to look it up, which I don't know why but doesn't bother me really.

    Things got compounded by you taking offense to what could be the real truth here, how people have been cracking on you and Nadia for the past week and a half and you may not have been too fond of it. Thus you decide to use this opportunity to crack back. Again, doesn't bother me either.

    Actually, Sahib, for your information I have a better understanding of certain things relating to young people than you may do, even though you're a young person currently. As I said just now, you're coming off as posturing and covering your *** over nothing. You're coming off as using deflection, denial and justification as defense mechanisms here, since you want me to go along this route. 10+ years of trained professional experience of working with youth. While I never made a claim to understanding all youth, I now know I should solemnly defer to your wealth of experience because your current age allows you to speak eloquently for all young people.

    I am simply pointing out to you that there is more than one way to ask a question. You asked what it was, I answered it, you posted the comment about it was being better to just ask you (which wasn't necessary, but didn't bother me) than look it up, I ragged you about the Nadia comment and you took the **** to a different extreme. Hey, now I know to be one less person to rag you about her in any way shape or form.

    Seriously, you didn't listen to a word I said this evening, and you certainly proved you didn't hear it it either based on your responses. But I'm not mad and hold nothing against you.

    SMH. Really expected more but everyday you learn something new. There are things I could have said differently,in this conversation, but they wouldn't have made a difference with the roll you went not. That's life...
    1st point ) yes I did take offence to that because that's how I have been taught and that's how I got by in life by asking questions, "when I don't know a certain thing i asked because i always do that i haven't changed ever. this is where you started to think you are right by thinking I was mad about me being teased about nadia which im not. i don't mind it i know its you all playing around and that is were you are mistaken. like i said earlier i ask before saying anything so i don't look arrogant by thinking i know something when i don't. that proves my point you could of asked me why i as mad but instead you went by what your thoughts and assumptions and said "that is what's got me offended which it wasn't" and to use this to "crack back"

    2nd point ) instead of trying to understand why i said what i said you go off to say i have more experience thus i know more. i get that "with age comes wisdom" but sometimes that experience doesn't mean everything is understood to that person.

    3rd point) a i get that i could of said it in a different way but that's how i am. again i wasn't mad about you making the Nadia comment, i don't really mind but there is where you thought wrong. i was thinking what that had to do with anything because it didn't but i responded to that to see if you would understand

    4th point) i responded to what you said how i would if i was face to face to you i don't sugar coat words because that never works but when it seemed to think what i was thinking that is where i sorta got a little mad. would it been better to ask and get to why i was irritated after all questions lead to answers instead of making statements that way off and same here i don't judge people

    5th point) same here. i learn some more everyday and things could of been said differently and it could of had a different outcome. i responded to how you went on
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  23. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    1st point ) yes I did take offence to that because that's how I have been taught and that's how I got by in life by asking questions, "when I don't know a certain thing i asked because i always do that i haven't changed ever. this is where you started to think you are right by thinking I was mad about me being teased about nadia which im not. i don't mind it i know its you all playing around and that is were you are mistaken. like i said earlier i ask before saying anything so i don't look arrogant by thinking i know something when i don't. that proves my point you could of asked me why i as mad but instead you went by what your thoughts and assumptions and said "that is what's got me offended which it wasn't" and to use this to "crack back"

    2nd point ) instead of trying to understand why i said what i said you go off to say i have more experience thus i know more. i get that "with age comes wisdom" but sometimes that experience doesn't mean everything is understood to that person.

    3rd point) a i get that i could of said it in a different way but that's how i am. again i wasn't mad about you making the Nadia comment, i don't really mind but there is where you thought wrong. i was thinking what that had to do with anything because it didn't but i responded to that to see if you would understand

    4th point) i responded to what you said how i would if i was face to face to you i don't sugar coat words because that never works but when it seemed to think what i was thinking that is where i sorta got a little mad. would it been better to ask and get to why i was irritated after all questions lead to answers instead of making statements that way off and same here i don't judge people

    5th point) same here. i learn some more everyday and things could of been said differently and it could of had a different outcome. i responded to how you went on
    See, you're still not getting where I'm coming from. Go read this section of the comments from the very beginning.

    Nobody cared about you looking arrogant if you had looked it up and then ask questions, additional questions in this case. You ask questions here all the time. You initially asked what the DSM was, i answered it. I took a moment to share with you that "hey, it's OK to have looked it too and then ask", but you took it some other way and we ended up here.

    I understand exactly what you were taught, since I was taught the same thing. What I'm sharing with you is the extension of that approach. At no point I was being arrogant to you either. This wasn't about me being "right" either. I did the "correct" thing by sharing what I did, but you're still on the "right vs wrong" tip, so I'll leave you alone to figure that one out.

    This is the internet. I don't have to ask you why you were mad. I don't have to clarify my comments either. I don't have to take time to share with you something that is potentially useful to you when I should be using it to work through a very grueling and high level assignment. If you make a moment to read about the DSM, you'll understand how serious the stuff in studying really is.
    But I'm making the time to straighten this out with you because up until now you gave off an impression of a young man who is open to learning things. I think you still are, but you missed the boat on this one. Big time. But hey, we can agree to disagree on this. I know how to say things on the thread differently going forward.

    Kem did a similar thing recently where he was appointed expressing his disagreement as to why I don't want a 1520 because I mentioned the nano SIM it uses and that I don't want to use card adapters anymore as one of my reasons.

    The ultimately similarity between that situation and this one is that you both got called out on something in a teaching moment, but instead of trying to see where you may have erred and own up to that, you both spent time justifying your responses. Needlessly too.
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  24. sahib lopez's Avatar
    well now that is off our minds I think we can return to our regular scheduled programs ;)
    03-01-2014 10:02 PM
  25. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    Anyhow, life's like that sometimes. I'm going to head back to finishing my assignment. I need to do as much as possible this weekend so I don't have to take a ton of work with me to Atlantic City during my birthday weekend, next weekend. Don't want the GF not to have a good time there because I brought school work along...
    03-01-2014 10:05 PM
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