1. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    Using insta too much heats up my phone!!
    Using anything heats up my phone. WPC app heats up my phone ffs.
    05-28-2014 04:28 AM
  2. Chregu's Avatar
    I can't see Whatsapp not coming back and I hope BBM does show up. I just can't get over how bloody slow all this is. This year is going to be pretty bad for WP without a doubt.
    I hope it comes back, I won't replace my mother's phone for years (at least that's the plan) and I want to keep mine until autumn. I'll just have to treasure it that there never will be a hardreset required ;-)

    It's certainly because Facebook owns it now. They don't provide an app for Windows Phone, Microsoft has to develop it, so why should Whatsapp provide one? What's their problem with Windows Phone anyway? They financed this failure of a Facebook Android phone after all...
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    05-28-2014 04:33 AM
  3. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    I hope it comes back, I won't replace my mother's phone for years (at least that's the plan) and I want to keep mine until autumn. I'll just have to treasure it that there never will be a hardreset required ;-)

    It's certainly because Facebook owns it now. They don't provide an app for Windows Phone, Microsoft has to develop it, so why should Whatsapp provide one? What's their problem with Windows Phone anyway? They financed this failure of a Facebook Android phone after all...
    I think Facebook's issue with WP is that it's too secure and they can't grab all your stuff from it. They haven't done much with Whatsapp yet in it grabbing all your contacts as far as I know.

    I get the feeling it will show up again. Way too many users on it for it not to come back and MS knows what will happen if it doesn't come back.
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    05-28-2014 04:37 AM
  4. Chregu's Avatar
    I think Facebook's issue with WP is that it's too secure and they can't grab all your stuff from it. They haven't done much with Whatsapp yet in it grabbing all your contacts as far as I know.

    I get the feeling it will show up again. Way too many users on it for it not to come back and MS knows what will happen if it doesn't come back.
    iOS is secure too. Only on Android you can give them everything. And most people do I guess. ;-)

    An iPhone would be nice... let's see what they present next week about iOS and if they bring a bigger screened phone in autumn.
    05-28-2014 04:43 AM
  5. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    iOS is secure too. Only on Android you can give them everything. And most people do I guess. ;-)

    An iPhone would be nice... let's see what they present next week about iOS and if they bring a bigger screened phone in autumn.
    I can only assume the iOS APIs (if that's the right term) are better than WP and that's causing most of the issues. Especially with the change to WP8.1

    I think that's been the major issue with a lot of things on WP but I could be wrong.
    05-28-2014 04:57 AM
  6. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    Morning folks. Back in class again. I'm tired already. My sleep hasn't been the best lately but I'll pull through.

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    05-28-2014 06:37 AM
  7. Chregu's Avatar
    I can only assume the iOS APIs (if that's the right term) are better than WP and that's causing most of the issues. Especially with the change to WP8.1

    I think that's been the major issue with a lot of things on WP but I could be wrong.
    But then again, independent developers are capable of doing amazing stuff with the WP APIs, personally I blame the low market-share.
    05-28-2014 07:03 AM
  8. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    But then again, independent developers are capable of doing amazing stuff with the WP APIs, personally I blame the low market-share.
    So what you're basically saying is that the 'big' app devs are lazy. Could be true but then I guess it depends on what you're trying to achieve.
    05-28-2014 07:08 AM
  9. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    So I just got an invite to a dinner with a company that's trying to sell us stuff. I have to discuss said invite with my supervisor as I'm unsure if this is appropriate. Not even sure I'll go but it's always good to know one way or the other.
    05-28-2014 07:10 AM
  10. Chregu's Avatar
    So what you're basically saying is that the 'big' app devs are lazy. Could be true but then I guess it depends on what you're trying to achieve.
    No, no, no, not after having this argument in another thread trying to explain why I would never say such a thing! ;-)

    I don't think app developers of big companies are lazy. That has multiple reasons. A developer programming for iOS most likely isn't programming for Android and Windows Phone. So they have to hire specialists for each platform. And the developer they hire is most likely not lazy, a big company usually doesn't hire lazy people.

    It has nothing to do with laziness, it has something to do with business decisions. They have to device to support the platform, have to device to hire the people, have to decide to provide the support. That's a lot of money, and if they think market-share is too low, they won't invest it.

    That's my theory, it has nothing to do with laziness.
    05-28-2014 07:31 AM
  11. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    No, no, no, not after having this argument in another thread trying to explain why I would never say such a thing! ;-)

    I don't think app developers of big companies are lazy. That has multiple reasons. A developer programming for iOS most likely isn't programming for Android and Windows Phone. So they have to hire specialists for each platform. And the developer they hire is most likely not lazy, a big company usually doesn't hire lazy people.

    It has nothing to do with laziness, it has something to do with business decisions. They have to device to support the platform, have to device to hire the people, have to decide to provide the support. That's a lot of money, and if they think market-share is too low, they won't invest it.

    That's my theory, it has nothing to do with laziness.
    Well, I see your point in regards to the costs involved. Saying that, it does point to a level of laziness. Instead of making the app comparable to it's rivals they develop a mediocre app and then complain no one likes it. Then they pull it.

    Makes complete business sense to me.
    05-28-2014 07:35 AM
  12. Chregu's Avatar
    Well, I see your point in regards to the costs involved. Saying that, it does point to a level of laziness. Instead of making the app comparable to it's rivals they develop a mediocre app and then complain no one likes it. Then they pull it.

    Makes complete business sense to me.
    But this is during the transition from Whatsapp being independent and Whatsapp being taken over by Facebook.

    Also, as far as I know, Nokia was deeply involved in developing an usable Whatsapp app for Windows Phone. Maybe this direct cooperation got lost when Microsoft bought Nokia.
    05-28-2014 07:39 AM
  13. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    But this is during the transition from Whatsapp being independent and Whatsapp being taken over by Facebook.

    Also, as far as I know, Nokia was deeply involved in developing an usable Whatsapp app for Windows Phone. Maybe this direct cooperation got lost when Microsoft bought Nokia.
    Wasn't just in reference to Whatsapp. For the longest time we had rather mediocre apps from most of the big guys or none. It's only been recently that things got a touch better. However, WP is never simple. Just when things look good it goes down hill again. :P

    I will say that this year has been pretty boring for WP. We're not looking at any new handsets until about November and WP8.1 though officially release is not coming to older models until June/July or who knows when.

    I'm not in the best of moods and I have a high level of sarcasm today. :/
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    05-28-2014 08:02 AM
  14. Chregu's Avatar
    Wasn't just in reference to Whatsapp. For the longest time we had rather mediocre apps from most of the big guys or none. It's only been recently that things got a touch better. However, WP is never simple. Just when things look good it goes down hill again. :P

    I will say that this year has been pretty boring for WP. We're not looking at any new handsets until about November and WP8.1 though officially release is not coming to older models until June/July or who knows when.

    I'm not in the best of moods and I have a high level of sarcasm today. :/
    I still don't think it's laziness. I still think it's limited resources. Maybe they give in, give one guy the job to develop a Windows Phone app, while on iOS and Android works a team or something, I don't know.

    I just think a company that hires a lazy developer is a bad company.

    Also, if the laziness theory would be true, that would mean that all company hired WP developers are lazy, as all the big apps are bad :P

    I'm sorry to hear about your mood though.
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    05-28-2014 08:10 AM
  15. Chregu's Avatar
    I agree with the bad hardware situation, while everybody waits for the new iPhone and companies release high-end phone after high-end phone for Android, there's really not much going on the Windows Phone side of things. We have two phones that were high-end half a year ago, of which one will be re-released with a new name internationally.
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    05-28-2014 08:14 AM
  16. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    I still don't think it's laziness. I still think it's limited resources. Maybe they give in, give one guy the job to develop a Windows Phone app, while on iOS and Android works a team or something, I don't know.

    I just think a company that hires a lazy developer is a bad company.

    Also, if the laziness theory would be true, that would mean that all company hired WP developers are lazy, as all the big apps are bad :P

    I'm sorry to hear about your mood though.
    I think we're using the same term meaning different things.

    When I use the term lazy I'm referring to more of a 'we'll just throw this app out there' and not care much attitude. So their costs for doing the app restrict the dev who would like to do a good job but can't due to time/costs. In that way they're being lazy. Instead of investing in a good app they rather just 'test the waters' and see. To me that's lazy and it's bad for our ecosystem because we end up with a bunch of second rate apps.
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    05-28-2014 08:22 AM
  17. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    I agree with the bad hardware situation, while everybody waits for the new iPhone and companies release high-end phone after high-end phone for Android, there's really not much going on the Windows Phone side of things. We have two phones that were high-end half a year ago, of which one will be re-released with a new name internationally.
    Yep totally agree. The L930 excites some people but to me it's just lazy. :P LOL!
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    05-28-2014 08:24 AM
  18. Chregu's Avatar
    Yep totally agree. The L930 excites some people but to me it's just lazy. :P LOL!
    Yeah, what does Nokia care, they are now in the billion bosom of Microsoft ;-)
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    05-28-2014 08:25 AM
  19. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    Yeah, what does Nokia care, they are now in the billion bosom of Microsoft ;-)
    I understand why some people are concerned with MS taking over Nokia. They seemed to be on fire now it just seems dull.
    05-28-2014 08:27 AM
  20. Chregu's Avatar
    I understand why some people are concerned with MS taking over Nokia. They seemed to be on fire now it just seems dull.
    Well, if they release hardware with the quality of the Surface 3 Pro, this could really be something. I think the S3P is an amazing piece of tech. So I believe that Microsoft could build a great phone, but in what time-frame?
    05-28-2014 08:30 AM
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    Wasn't just in reference to Whatsapp. For the longest time we had rather mediocre apps from most of the big guys or none. It's only been recently that things got a touch better. However, WP is never simple. Just when things look good it goes down hill again. :P

    I will say that this year has been pretty boring for WP. We're not looking at any new handsets until about November and WP8.1 though officially release is not coming to older models until June/July or who knows when.

    I'm not in the best of moods and I have a high level of sarcasm today. :/
    Sarcasm is always good. Especially in high levels.

    I'm still looking for a nice WP8 device. The 930 looks good, but it is overpriced at launch. Right now I can get a 1520 for $492 including shipping. There is no way the 930 is cheaper than that at launch. So at this point I'm wondering what's out there that works for me. I'm not seeing much.

    I'm channeling my inner Chregu here...I like my 8X and 925, but if I could get a fusion of them, that'd be perfect.

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    05-28-2014 08:32 AM
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    but in what time-frame?
    That's the #1 question there. How long will it take them to get a good phone to market of similar style and quality as a Surface without it costing a fortune.
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    05-28-2014 08:33 AM
  23. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    I'm still looking for a nice WP8 device.
    I think something similar to a HTC M8 would be nice in a smaller form factor with a better camera. I would love that. I'd buy that tomorrow.
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    05-28-2014 08:38 AM
  24. Chregu's Avatar
    I think something similar to a HTC M8 would be nice in a smaller form factor with a better camera. I would love that. I'd buy that tomorrow.
    That would be amazing. A HTC Mini 2 with better specs!

    It's a rip-off what they charge for that phone...
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    05-28-2014 08:57 AM
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    I think something similar to a HTC M8 would be nice in a smaller form factor with a better camera. I would love that. I'd buy that tomorrow.
    That sounds like a WP8 version of the M8 mini (I hate that official name for it). Not a bad idea.

    I guess I just want a good camera, good audio for music and a microSIM card slot. I don't think that's a lot to ask for, but apparently it is.

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    05-28-2014 08:58 AM
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