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  1. sahib lopez's Avatar
    I go to sleep and sahib had a love in with a penguin....

    Well the thread has turned back to 'normal'....
    ....he thinks im his pet >.< how did that happen :P? I have no idea
    its not back to normal till snowflake comes back
    10-13-2014 12:09 AM
  2. psoham777's Avatar
    ....he thinks im his pet >.< how did that happen :P? I have no idea
    its not back to normal till snowflake comes back
    You don't know why you're his pet& why do you think any of us here have an answer?
    10-13-2014 12:11 AM
  3. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    Im not sure what to think but so far Verizon is showing the warning signs that they will EOL it soon after they update the icon
    The Odyssey, Ativ SE, 8X, 928 and 822 are dead men walking on VZW, along woth the Icon. Funny enough that they have the 2nd biggest WP8 lineup in the states and only the W8 has 8.1 of all their phones. Almost everything on AT&T, even the 820, is on 8.1. T-mo only has the 635 and the soon to launch 530 on 8.1, so VZW users shouldn't feel bad...Sprint users haven't seen 8.1 either.

    WP is a mess in the States. And not getting better either.

    Posted Approved by Nexus 5
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    10-13-2014 12:12 AM
  4. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    Seems to me they've tried to do both and have failed at both. Not sure what they do next. I like the last round of Lumia devices and want to get one because they're the last Nokia branded devices. Problem now is that they honestly are flawed devices, just as the first WP8 models were. Much of their limitations stem from MSFT's handling of how the software supported better hardware.

    How much better would a 1520 be with a s805 processor and the OS with devs focusing on apps maximizing that screen space? How much better would the 930 be running a s801 chip even with a 2600mah battery? How much better would the 1020 be if it was a quad core s800 with 2 cores running the camera solely? How much better would the 920/925 be with s600 chips? Hardware isn't everything but man, WP just got shafted with the hardware, trying to make greatness out of flawed out tech be a use of untimely OS limitations. Now the hardware is catching up, the question is how will want to use it?

    Posted Approved by Nexus 5
    But but but.... WP doesn't need good hardware to be great! It runs silky smooth on even the crappiest hardware! We don't need all those features and apps because WP isn't meant to be used like that!


    Sorry slipped into fanboy for a second....
    MSFTisMIA and Sport Driver like this.
    10-13-2014 12:13 AM
  5. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    ....he thinks im his pet >.< how did that happen :P? I have no idea
    its not back to normal till snowflake comes back
    Well as normal as can be with a penguin....
    10-13-2014 12:13 AM
  6. sahib lopez's Avatar
    Seems to me they've tried to do both and have failed at both. Not sure what they do next. I like the last round of Lumia devices and want to get one because they're the last Nokia branded devices. Problem now is that they honestly are flawed devices, just as the first WP8 models were. Much of their limitations stem from MSFT's handling of how the software supported better hardware.

    How much better would a 1520 be with a s805 processor and the OS with devs focusing on apps maximizing that screen space? How much better would the 930 be running a s801 chip even with a 2600mah battery? How much better would the 1020 be if it was a quad core s800 with 2 cores running the camera solely? How much better would the 920/925 be with s600 chips? Hardware isn't everything but man, WP just got shafted with the hardware, trying to make greatness out of flawed out tech be a use of untimely OS limitations. Now the hardware is catching up, the question is how will want to use it?

    Posted Approved by Nexus 5
    good questions that msft should be thinking about. but to utilize those specs wouldn't they have to open up their OS even more and risk becoming more like android in the process?
    10-13-2014 12:14 AM
  7. sahib lopez's Avatar
    You don't know why you're his pet& why do you think any of us here have an answer?
    maybe someone caught it :P
    10-13-2014 12:14 AM
  8. sahib lopez's Avatar
    So what have I leaned reading all that?

    Be wary of armed penguins....

    Sahib doesn't understand rhyming....

    No one should have bought the Icon....
    :P lol nice catch up .didn't think you would read that
    Pete The Penguin likes this.
    10-13-2014 12:15 AM
  9. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    :P lol nice catch up .didn't think you would read that
    I skimmed. :P
    10-13-2014 12:16 AM
  10. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    I skimmed. :P
    That's ten minutes I'll never get back....
    10-13-2014 12:17 AM
  11. sahib lopez's Avatar
    But but but.... WP doesn't need good hardware to be great! It runs silky smooth on even the crappiest hardware! We don't need all those features and apps because WP isn't meant to be used like that!


    Sorry slipped into fanboy for a second....
    in a way its true for regular consumers specs don't mean much , as long as it works with FB, Snapchat, IG, vine w/e it works. when we start getting into the territory of getting stuff done and doing it fast then yes specs and features do matter
    10-13-2014 12:18 AM
  12. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    But but but.... WP doesn't need good hardware to be great! It runs silky smooth on even the crappiest hardware! We don't need all those features and apps because WP isn't meant to be used like that!


    Sorry slipped into fanboy for a second....
    WP needs all the hardware or can get because its resale value, at least here in the States is so shifty.

    Posted Approved by Nexus 5
    10-13-2014 12:18 AM
  13. sahib lopez's Avatar
    That's ten minutes I'll never get back....
    :P you cared enough to read XD
    10-13-2014 12:19 AM
  14. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    good questions that msft should be thinking about. but to utilize those specs wouldn't they have to open up their OS even more and risk becoming more like android in the process?
    Here's a thought...stop running a siloed company. Throw money at refining the OS as quickly as possible. Forget bringing in the apps for right now be a use of your OS looks good and runs well, people will buy and the apps will come. Crank up that idea of Cortana on all Windows devices. Roll RT and WP into one quicker. Add missing WP features.

    Pretty much do all the **** that needed to be done years ago.

    Posted Approved by Nexus 5
    WanderingTraveler likes this.
    10-13-2014 12:21 AM
  15. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    in a way its true for regular consumers specs don't mean much , as long as it works with FB, Snapchat, IG, vine w/e it works. when we start getting into the territory of getting stuff done and doing it fast then yes specs and features do matter
    Who is this average consumer you speak of? :P

    What people want is the same thing they get on android and iPhone. Apps. That's the average consumer. Period. Without that WP might as well stick to emerging economies at least developers support the os there.
    10-13-2014 12:23 AM
  16. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    WP needs all the hardware or can get because its resale value, at least here in the States is so shifty.

    Posted Approved by Nexus 5
    Value is based on what people are willing to pay for something. To most in the states they think WP is crippled. So there won't be much of a resale value. Kind of like the way most people think Android tablets are throw away devices after six months but apparently you can keep and iPad for years...
    10-13-2014 12:25 AM
  17. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    Value is based on what people are willing to pay for something. To most in the states they think WP is crippled. So there won't be much of a resale value. Kind of like the way most people think Android tablets are throw away devices after six months but apparently you can keep and iPad for years...
    Pretty much. Because even though you may not get all the features when a new iOS update comes out, you'll get most that helps keep your iPad running well.

    Posted Approved by Nexus 5
    10-13-2014 12:27 AM
  18. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    Well, nap time for me folks. Catch y'all later.

    Posted Approved by Nexus 5
    10-13-2014 12:28 AM
  19. sahib lopez's Avatar
    Who is this average consumer you speak of? :P

    What people want is the same thing they get on android and iPhone. Apps. That's the average consumer. Period. Without that WP might as well stick to emerging economies at least developers support the os there.
    well students and kids. they are either getting their first smartphone or buying a new one. they don't care what is SD is running or how much ram its getting. I still see college students with old android phones or old iphones. if they cared about specs they would of gotten a new phone by know but if it works for them then its good for them.
    I think we are agreeing on the same thing im just saying specs don't mean a whole lot to the regular consumer . if they can get their social media stuff they are happy
    Last edited by sahib lopez; 10-13-2014 at 12:47 AM.
    10-13-2014 12:30 AM
  20. WanderingTraveler's Avatar
    well students and kids. they are either getting their first smartphone or buying a new one. they don't care what is SD is running or how much ram its getting. I still see college students with old android phones or old iphones. if they cared about specs they would of gotten a new phone by know but if it works for them then its god for them.
    I think we are agreeing on the same thing im just saying specs don't mean a whole lot to the regular consumer . if they can get their social media stuff they are happy
    Apathy.

    It's why a lot of things stay the same over time, despite better alternatives existing, or potential to make the thing in question even better.

    It's why going from Windows 7 to 8.x made Microsoft do 10.x just two and a half years into 8.x.
    10-13-2014 12:39 AM
  21. WanderingTraveler's Avatar
    Here's a thought...stop running a siloed company. Throw money at refining the OS as quickly as possible. Forget bringing in the apps for right now be a use of your OS looks good and runs well, people will buy and the apps will come. Crank up that idea of Cortana on all Windows devices. Roll RT and WP into one quicker. Add missing WP features.

    Pretty much do all the **** that needed to be done years ago.

    Posted Approved by Nexus 5
    They're too busy unifying the damn thing. It's kind of why 8.1 came too late, the GDRs and minor Updates seem to small for us to care, and 10 is still at least two fiscal quarters away.
    10-13-2014 12:42 AM
  22. sahib lopez's Avatar
    They're too busy unifying the damn thing. It's kind of why 8.1 came too late, the GDRs and minor Updates seem to small for us to care, and 10 is still at least two fiscal quarters away.
    if there is one thing I would wish they would is make Skype awesome !
    10-13-2014 12:47 AM
  23. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    They're too busy unifying the damn thing. It's kind of why 8.1 came too late, the GDRs and minor Updates seem to small for us to care, and 10 is still at least two fiscal quarters away.
    Probably right there. Sad stuff, really. At least I know when I buy a high end Sony, they'll do their best to give me updates. I cannot say the same for WP. Oh, they'll tweak it as they go, but too much is missing at this point for converts and too little exists to grab new folks.

    Posted Approved by Nexus 5
    10-13-2014 12:48 AM
  24. sahib lopez's Avatar
    anyways im off for the night... laters all
    10-13-2014 12:53 AM
  25. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    Well, another day another late train. The trains have been running really badly the last few weeks. Mostly engineering overruns bit today might be the weather.
    10-13-2014 01:15 AM
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