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  1. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    I'm a fanboy because I don't agree with your logic lmao. I guess if I start praising android and bashing windows and Lumia, I'll be apart of the cool kids club lmfao
    At what point in my conversation did I ever bash Lumia or W10M? I am critical but I don't bash or hate. Also all OS have issues. Every one of them including iOS.

    You've proven yourself to be a fanboy but doing the typical bashing of the competition as you put it.

    I'm a tech fan. Period. I also have quite a few years on you in regards to being numb to the corporation BS that is dispelled by all companies. I love tech, I do not love companies or products.
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    04-06-2016 09:12 AM
  2. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    I just don't have the time to reply to all that. Sigh.

    Look, Lumia was dead when MS bought Nokia because MS was not going to keep the Lumia name. It's really that simple. They were going to kill the Lumia name off rather quickly. I estimated about 2 years. I wasn't far off.

    Market share is the biggest problem MS has. Add that to lack of supported apps and you can see why any OEM would hesitate. I have little doubt when MS approached OEMs they told them 'things would get better' but they haven't. Why spend money on supporting an dead product? Also, Samsung as we know is one of the worst for killing off any product, including Android phones, which is why I don't buy them. People buy Samsung for the name, nothing more.

    You're also correct any smart business would have a plan B but I sure as hell would put any money into W10M at this stage if I was an OEM. There's simply nothing there for any OEM to work with. All the articles saying W10M is dead doesn't help either and MS using very loose language at their BUILD conference didn't help either.

    You cannot build a mobile market share based on PC users. No OEM is going to believe your point until it's proven.

    MS's first approach was to take after Apple. WP8 was direct competition to Apple, not Android. That didn't work. Which is why they're trying to be more flexible now. When most people think of a 'Windows Phone or Mobile' they want 'Windows' openness, not a locked down phone which you can barely do anything with. That was the big mistake by MS that Nokia pushed to change. It was Nokia who too WP to different levels NOT MS. If it wasn't for Nokia, MS would only release high end phones and try to be Apple because that's what they want. That's not going to happen because nobody who wants Windows wants to be anything like Apple. People choose Windows for a reason.

    If Nokia would have approached things differently they'd still be in business. Unfortunately flooding a market with different variants doesn't work and it stopped working for Android now too. Even Samsung has stopped that.

    As for people going after Google, that's no surprise really. You hear a lot about Samsung's OS, not that it's popular anywhere... as for Cyrogen, it's still more or less Android so what's your point? MS bought that, I wonder how long it will last...

    OEMs want to provide a user experience, even though you might not like it, obviously, it's what OEMs want. They want some type of ownership to their products aside from the phone. It's not that illogical really when you think of it.

    Lastly, in what way is a Samsung S7 Edge anything like an Apple product? Who's copying who? The biggest copier as we all know is Apple.
    Samsung entire start with galaxy is largely based off iOS and imitating apple. That's kind of the reason they had the beef they had with apple to begin.

    Of course an s7 edge isn't like an apple product because7 generations later, Samsung is capable of making a product that doesn't feel like a cheap Android imitation of apple like the early galaxy models.

    Oems want to pprovide user experience? Maybe in 2012. I dont even use android regularly and i know many oems are moving towards a more stock ui. Because their users are demanding less of the heavy ui.
    04-06-2016 09:12 AM
  3. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    At what point in my conversation did I ever bash Lumia or W10M? I am critical but I don't bash or hate. Also all OS have issues. Every one of them including iOS.

    You've proven yourself to be a fanboy but doing the typical bashing of the competition as you put it.

    I'm a tech fan. Period. I also have quite a few years on you in regards to being numb to the corporation BS that is dispelled by all companies. I love tech, I do not love companies or products.
    I never said you did. I said I am sure it would be fine if I joined in and started bashing the is and product since that's the mentality here these days.

    Furthermore I am not a fanboy because I bash the product. I am a consumer with experience and preference for various products.
    04-06-2016 09:15 AM
  4. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    Samsung entire start with galaxy is largely based off iOS and imitating apple. That's kind of the reason they had the beef they had with apple to begin.

    Of course an s7 edge isn't like an apple product because7 generations later, Samsung is capable of making a product that doesn't feel like a cheap Android imitation of apple like the early galaxy models.

    Oems want to pprovide user experience? Maybe in 2012. I dont even use android regularly and i know many oems are moving towards a more stock ui. Because their users are demanding less of the heavy ui.
    Yes, Samsung started out with copying a bit. So did Apple, so did MS. So did everyone else. That's the reality of the world. Imitators are a reality. You can decide if it's a compliment or not.

    As for your lack of information regarding UI, you obviously are not paying attention, but that's to be expected since you don't follow Android news.
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    04-06-2016 09:16 AM
  5. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    I never said you did. I said I am sure it would be fine if I joined in and started bashing the is and product since that's the mentality here these days.

    Furthermore I am not a fanboy because I bash the product. I am a consumer with experience and preference for various products.
    Didn't you just quote me and mention Lumia bashing? In what way was I supposed to take that?

    It's quite obvious your a fanboy and yes bashing the competition is the epitome of fanboyism. Deal with it. If you want to consider it something else that's your perception, not anyone else's.
    04-06-2016 09:19 AM
  6. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    You've managed to say things more succinctly than I managed. Thanks. I doubt our local fanboy will get it though.
    You're welcome. Being in the mood I am today (see my image post above), I wasn't about to do no extra reading.

    He's been on that One Note so the past few years. I expect no changes.

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    04-06-2016 09:23 AM
  7. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    You're welcome. Been in the mood I am today (see my image post above), I wasn't about to do no extra reading.

    He's been on that One Note so the past few years. I expect no changes.

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    They haven't quite figured out this is an off topic, off topic thread. We talk about all kinds of things on here. No one hates WP. If you want praise WP go read Dan's articles and write something there.
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    04-06-2016 09:26 AM
  8. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    You're absolutely right. It is far too early to debate with Android fans, who seem to know better than us windows phone users, on a windows centric fansite lmao
    Dude,

    I'm a platform agnostic.

    Not an Android fan. Not an iOS fan. Not a Windows fan. Get that correct. Been around since 2002. Used more OSes and more phones than you've expressed coherent, balanced thoughts on Windows Phone in the past few years.

    Platform agnostic. Put down your roses colored glasses, get off my lap and Label it correctly.

    Let's sum up your commentary the following way:

    "If you throw a stone in a pig sty, the pig that squeals is the one the stone hit."

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    04-06-2016 09:29 AM
  9. worldspy99's Avatar
    Sigh...what a morning! Too tired after reading all the back and forth...can't we all just get along...
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    04-06-2016 09:32 AM
  10. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    You know, this must be said since I'm in a non PC mood:

    Having been a regular on this particular thread for over 85% of its existence, I miss the days when we had more balanced, intellectually stimulating conversation.

    Now this feels like I'm in a kiddie line with my nephew waiting for him to get a turn at the bounceabout and there's no movement in the line because there's some 35 y.o. who lives with his parents is in the bounceabout and kicking the kids out because he needs "more space to flop around".

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    04-06-2016 09:33 AM
  11. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    They haven't quite figured out this is an off topic, off topic thread. We talk about all kinds of things on here. No one hates WP. If you want praise WP go read Dan's articles and write something there.
    No one hates Windows Phone?
    HA....
    Yes, Samsung started out with copying a bit. So did Apple, so did MS. So did everyone else. That's the reality of the world. Imitators are a reality. You can decide if it's a compliment or not.

    As for your lack of information regarding UI, you obviously are not paying attention, but that's to be expected since you don't follow Android news.
    Really? Because copying here and there and what Samsung did early on are two entirely different things.

    I don't have a lack of information. For someone so pro-android, i'd expect you to be far more knowledgeable about the OS than you appear to be.

    When is the last time you've seen any of Moto's devices running Motoblur?

    Or a Sony Xperia running UX?

    While these manufacturers have not fully embraced stock like a Nexus, these OEMs have gradually been distancing themselves from the launchers they originally launched with. Why? Because they have

    A. realized their Users have not been happy with the heavy UIs.
    (Even Sense and touchwiz have went on a diet and taken on a more Stock like experience compared to their earlier iterations)

    B. No longer need to differentiate on gimmicky User Interfaces. They are now competing on hardware level based on design, camera and actual features.

    What is hilarious is the fact of people using the term Fanboy in a derogatory way. It's quite ironic.
    I too am a fan of technology and I love all tech...However, me 'bashing' as you label it is no different from you or anyone else who 'bash' Windows 10 mobile. Keep in mind, I do use Android (Unfortunately...It's kind of skickening) partially so I do have a right, experience, and knowledge to complain about a product I use.

    Or is it only acceptable if someone is constantly listing the negatives of Windows 10 mobile and praising Android for being the best thing ever and the only OS anyone should ever consider? /s
    04-06-2016 09:40 AM
  12. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    I would comment on the weather but it's changed about 5 times so far today...
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    04-06-2016 09:40 AM
  13. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    While everybody is free to express their opinions, what's made this thread the highest viewed and replied upon thread is the fact that the regulars here create an atomsphere where people can discuss anything and not get it boiled down into a petty style back and forth. Over the past few years, we've discussed race, science, religion, politics, marriage, culture, terrorism, sports, college life, careers - all with spirited debate and great respect for a difference of opinion.

    Windows Central is big enough where you can have the fanboys get a thread an spat there. I'd prefer to keep that sort of stuff off here. But, if that's what people want, I'm free to ignore or simply take my contributions elsewhere. I know offline I deal with youth in crisis on a daily basis, so I technically can use the time I spend here to do other things.

    Let's keep the pettiness off this thread. Otherwise, any of the many mods who float through here should just go ahead and close it now.

    I'm unapologetic for my comments today, because I'm not in the mood for the bull**** and same old antics, but if people cannot allow this to be the one space and Windows Central where the disclaimer on the first page cannot be respected, why should I post here?

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    04-06-2016 09:41 AM
  14. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    You know, this must be said since I'm in a non PC mood:

    Having been a regular on this particular thread for over 85% of its existence, I miss the days when we had more balanced, intellectually stimulating conversation.

    Now this feels like I'm in a kiddie line with my nephew waiting for him to get a turn at the bounceabout and there's no movement in the line because there's some 35 y.o. who lives with his parents is in the bounceabout and kicking the kids out because he needs "more space to flop around".

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    I too miss the days of balanced conversations. Not even in this case, specifically, but the forum overall where discussion could be had and debated with intelligence and not low-brow insults and completely hyperbolic and degrading analogies just for the sake of our fellow forum friends hitting the like.

    Instead, it is more of an Us vs them mentality and I find myself conversing with individuals who literally have a sense of elitism and arrogance because they are using the 'superior' OS.
    04-06-2016 09:43 AM
  15. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    I've decided to move on from the conversation personally. I've had enough going around in circles.

    Sorry for the continuation of a dead topic. Let's move on to something else.
    04-06-2016 09:44 AM
  16. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    I've decided to take Friday off because I can use the break. I'm ridiculously tired. :/

    I look forward to the day when we're done with the house and being able to live a normal life and go on vacation again. I'm looking forward to a nice trip somewhere in the EU. Not sure where. It might only be a small trip to France but at least it's somewhere. :P
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    04-06-2016 09:46 AM
  17. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    I too miss the days of balanced conversations. Not even in this case, specifically, but the forum overall where discussion could be had and debated with intelligence and not low-brow insults and completely hyperbolic and degrading analogies just for the sake of our fellow forum friends hitting the like.

    Instead, it is more of an Us vs them mentality and I find myself conversing with individuals who literally have a sense of elitism and arrogance because they are using the 'superior' OS.
    There really is no intelligence conversation when talking about technology any more. It's all about personal preference.

    People invest in something and want to prove their investment was right so will defend it.

    To be clear, I'm speaking generally and not about any one particular person.
    04-06-2016 09:48 AM
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    People hate it...
    04-06-2016 09:48 AM
  19. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    The new tyres on the car are great. The ride is so much smoother. Now just need to fix the last little bits on the car and it will be good. :)
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    04-06-2016 09:50 AM
  20. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    I have nothing to defend really when it comes to what I choose to spend my cash on and/or support. But I do like this mentality that all WP users who are not unhappy and miserable as some melodramatic people tend to make it out to be have to be fanboys, wearing rose colored glasses, or less than intelligent for sticking with a 'dying' platform.

    Because we are not blaming Microsoft and throwing a temper tantrum in forum posts about the latest build. there is something wrong.

    That's usually where my annoyance comes at...especially when someone tries to tell me or I see someone else trying to push someone else to android as if that is the answer.

    There really is no intelligence conversation when talking about technology any more. It's all about personal preference.

    People invest in something and want to prove their investment was right so will defend it.

    To be clear, I'm speaking generally and not about any one particular person.
    04-06-2016 10:06 AM
  21. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    I've decided to move on from the conversation personally. I've had enough going around in circles.

    Sorry for the continuation of a dead topic. Let's move on to something else.
    You know, what let me throw this out there.

    I've noticed these days is a serious culture shift that tells me our society is really going down the toilet. I honestly don't know if I want to live into old ages with some of these knuckleheaded millennials being in charge.

    I'm serious.

    My issue has been whenever people like to recreate the wheel just because they have to be the ones in charge, it gives me a headache. Case in point: my current coworkers.

    The reason why they're insane is because the supervisor has created a cultures where reinventing the wheel is the best way to do things. I've been at my job for 9+ years. Seen over 5000 youth in various stages of crises...so i kinda have some relative experience. But because my supervisor is interested in making a name for herself, she has decided to try to learn how my job works...but because she was really hired to work with another group and does so 95% of the time, she is no practical position to provide any effective supervision. So I do me and get what I need - clinician supervision - informally from our social workers. That works for me, being in social work school myself.

    So my newer colleagues have been here 9 months, 6 months and 3 months respectively. Now, most people with sense would try to get the lay of the land at a new job and go from there. Nope. They walked in like they knew it all from jump. Now, we use an interdisciplinary approach here. Some of the staff in some jobs have been here as long as I have or longer. So when these young does (they're all women) come in like they know it all, people complain how sloppy they work. I get complaints all the time. They've heard the complaints too and instead of doing appropriate self reflection, they dig in and get petty and spin it as "an unfair negative comparison between them and myself".

    My overall point: reviewing history allows us to make smarter decisions and not make the same knuckleheaded mistakes as before. I think some of those that have come before the millennials have really failed to set up society in a manner in while things get done smartly an key knowledge is properly passed down generationally. So on the one hand, I cannot blame my colleagues for their approach as my supervisor is creating an inappropriate climate that doesn't foster growth; but I still blame them for taking a self-preservationist approach. I suppose when people have bills to pay you cover your *** as best as possible, but I'd rather work smart and be rewarded than work hard with no end goal in sight.

    Medical facilities are one of the tougher places to work in and adjust to...

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    04-06-2016 10:06 AM
  22. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    Today is my only day off...I know I should be working on my site and what not but I am rather lazy at the moment.
    04-06-2016 10:06 AM
  23. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    I've decided to take Friday off because I can use the break. I'm ridiculously tired. :/

    I look forward to the day when we're done with the house and being able to live a normal life and go on vacation again. I'm looking forward to a nice trip somewhere in the EU. Not sure where. It might only be a small trip to France but at least it's somewhere. :P
    Have you gone to Portugal yet?

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    04-06-2016 10:10 AM
  24. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    Have you gone to Portugal yet?

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    Not yet. It's on the list but it doesn't overly interest me that much at the moment. I'm more keen on Austria or some of the east EU countries.
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    04-06-2016 10:15 AM
  25. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    You know, what let me throw this out there.

    I've noticed these days is a serious culture shift that tells me our society is really going down the toilet. I honestly don't know if I want to live into old ages with some of these knuckleheaded millennials being in charge.

    I'm serious.

    My issue has been whenever people like to recreate the wheel just because they have to be the ones in charge, it gives me a headache. Case in point: my current coworkers.

    The reason why they're insane is because the supervisor has created a cultures where reinventing the wheel is the best way to do things. I've been at my job for 9+ years. Seen over 5000 youth in various stages of crises...so i kinda have some relative experience. But because my supervisor is interested in making a name for herself, she has decided to try to learn how my job works...but because she was really hired to work with another group and does so 95% of the time, she is no practical position to provide any effective supervision. So I do me and get what I need - clinician supervision - informally from our social workers. That works for me, being in social work school myself.

    So my newer colleagues have been here 9 months, 6 months and 3 months respectively. Now, most people with sense would try to get the lay of the land at a new job and go from there. Nope. They walked in like they knew it all from jump. Now, we use an interdisciplinary approach here. Some of the staff in some jobs have been here as long as I have or longer. So when these young does (they're all women) come in like they know it all, people complain how sloppy they work. I get complaints all the time. They've heard the complaints too and instead of doing appropriate self reflection, they dig in and get petty and spin it as "an unfair negative comparison between them and myself".

    My overall point: reviewing history allows us to make smarter decisions and not make the same knuckleheaded mistakes as before. I think some of those that have come before the millennials have really failed to set up society in a manner in while things get done smartly an key knowledge is properly passed down generationally. So on the one hand, I cannot blame my colleagues for their approach as my supervisor is creating an inappropriate climate that doesn't foster growth; but I still blame them for taking a self-preservationist approach. I suppose when people have bills to pay you cover your *** as best as possible, but I'd rather work smart and be rewarded than work hard with no end goal in sight.

    Medical facilities are one of the tougher places to work in and adjust to...

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    Aside from the supervisor, the comments about your co-workers remind me of youth in general. Full of enthusiasm and assuming they know it all. I've been there myself.

    Thing is, a lot of young people come out of university or college these days wanting to be supervisors as soon as they come out and that's the expectation of a lot of them.

    I blame the parents and the education system more for the attitudes than the kids themselves. Society has done a lot to make a mess of the young.
    04-06-2016 10:18 AM
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