1. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    I never said Windows doesn't lag. You are perfectly right that Windows 10 mobile has resume screens (and the animations in WP7/8 also hid lag). However, I've noticed that with all the android phones I've owned (Well over 40.....and majority are flagships), the performance always begins degrade over the time.

    If it isn't a user interface from an OEM that is the culprit...it's the fact it is cheap hardware with poor specs. Whereas the same specced Windows Phone runs smoothly.

    My Alcatel One touch fierce XL is a slow phone with a snapdragon 210 processor. It runs slowly. But it does so consistently. A similar specced android phone is so sporadic in its performance that something as simple as opening the dialer crashes or hangs or loads.

    Things like hitting the multitasking button on Android and then trying to swipe the apps away or even resuming the app is a mess. Not only the lag, but the poor performance. For all the grief Win10mobile gets for its performance, I love how we give Android a pass and then try to blame the OEMs as the sole culprit when in reality is the OEM, the skin, the OS, and the poor specs that all combined together make android phones have a poor reputation.

    I remember in the early days of Android (Ironically those of you who try to tell me about android weren't even there from the start to witness its evolution as I was lol) when task killers were the rage. It was considered blasphemy to use or recommend one. Android has come a long way....but I always hear(similar to Windows 10) that each new version is supposed to be better than the last and then in the end its still the same story. Slow, laggy performance.

    When I look at reviews of Windows phone 8 devices, rarely ever do I hear anything about slowness. The operating system as a whole is usually consistent in its performance. It was always about apps.

    Even with Windows 10 mobile. even WITH its complaints about performance, the majority didn't switch because of the OS itself (or solely because of it), it was always about the apps.

    I cant tell you how many customers I had to deal with who brought me their phones and it was just a crap experience. Various androids. I am supposed to tell them they need to get a Nexus device or a Motorola G. For all the choice that Android offers and its fans brag about, why do I need to limit them so they can get an optimal experience. It's one thing to be open and allow freedom of customization but Google should always have some sort of standard as well instead of letting everyone bastardize the OS.

    I hate that Microsoft changed the hardware requirements for Windows 10 mobile, but I understand why they did. But they still have control over the OS.

    and it is why no matter what OEM you use, you generally can have more or less the same experience across the platform for the most part and you aren't exactly missing out on much unless it is OEM specific stuff.

    Android needs high specs because the OS is so unrefined in many ways and 'tweaked' in other ways that no other OS needs. Not because it is more powerful. Simply because in the world of android, unless it is vanilla android, there is really no standard. No quality.

    When you have to tell people they need a phone with at least a 2 GB ram and 6xx processor, that's a problem.
    A 1 GB ram and Snapdragon 4XX Lumia 640 runs windows 10 admirably....same specced Android phone runs the OS poorly. No matter how much you and others try to deny it, there is a performance issue in the majority (i.e. non-flagship) hardware.

    For the record, when it comes to lag...Apple has its own custom GPUs that it shares with no one. Because they have the best GPUs in the market, a dual core (and before it a single core) device with a fine GPU optimised for iOS, the lag is severely reduced when transitioning through apps and navigating the OS. That does not mean that iOS devices are lag free...they encounter stutters in transitions whenever the OS isn't properly optimised.

    Android and Windowa on the other hand, use Qualcomm chips and the Andreno GPU as the standard. In Android, there are Exynos and MediaTek as alternatives...those do no exist in Windows. Windows just uses the "resuming" screen as a way to cover the lag during transitions. Android does not have that, so the lag is more visible when it occurs. It does boil down to how well the OEM tunes their version of the skin they use on on top the of current version of Android, and how well MSFT tunes Windows since they control the OS itself.

    So that's why I think people are idiots when they get in the Windows doesn't lag as much as Android debate - they don't pay attention to things like these.

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  2. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    I'm curious as to see where the wearable market is going. It is hard to believe, but I've used some form of the SWR10 (Sony smartband) for the past two years. I was looking at upgrading to the SWR12 (Smartband 2), but the battery life is still ****ty. I think for me, tracking sleep patterns has been very useful. I do wish sometimes that my Smartband would run a bit more smoothly, but overall this works for me.

    I know others require more performance, so Fitbit gets a lot of pub and rightfully so, but at end of the day...if you don't really take good care of yourself, it doesn't matter what smart wear you're using...

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  3. Ed Boland's Avatar
    I've always said I wish I could take the front end of a 950XL (the Start Screen, Glance screen, and double tap to wake etc) and tack it onto the 6S Plus... Then I'd have the perfect phone! The beautiful and customizable Start screen, with the robust App Store of iOS, and the unmatched performance of the 6S Plus...

    A guy can dream!
    That's a hell of a mash up, Ed! Not sure if many folks besides you would buy that...lol. Still, it's a good idea...

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    Idk man, you'd be surprised! Or even the same W10M front end on a 6P or other high end Android device. I'd buy it in a New York second!

    Just imagine; a phone with that awesome customizable Start Screen and Glance, with a proper App Store (that has everything you might want or need) all running on some premium hardware. It doesn't really sound like too much to ask for...

    ...but I don't think we're ever going to get it lol :/
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    04-17-2016 11:08 PM
  4. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    Windows phone 7 and Windows phone 8 had lags too. Again, no one else a giving Android a pass (see my Nexus comments below). I've clearly said that they both experience lags. I see Micah hasn't lost the ability to "see and not really read" during the week's vacation from Windows Central.

    Even on "stock Android" lag can occur - ask Nexus 5X users before the March 2016 performance updates. I'm not a software engineer, but lag happens and these folks do a damn good job with software. While I don't code myself, I watched my brother learn COBOL, PASCAL, BASIC, C+, C++, JAVA from the early 90s until now. Coding isn't easy.

    I never saw what the big deal was about "lag", other than Apple using the terms lag and fragmentation as marketing tools to lure more consumers into iOS. Most of my mobile devices have more raw processing power than my desktop and they do what I want consistently.

    My first Android device was a HTC Magic - if you know what that is. I've used every version of Android. I've used every version of Windows Mobile since 2003SE, if you know what that is. I've used Apple up to iOS7. I used WebOS, RIM up to BB OS7. I've used or owned nearly 100 phones since 2004.

    Google wants to transition their version of Android from Java to get away from Oracle and to improve performance. Everyone is working to improve OS performance, no matter the platform. So to continue the arguement of one OS lagging more than the other is really silly.

    Don't buy anything that doesn't run smooth to your liking. Simple.

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    04-17-2016 11:10 PM
  5. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    Idk man, you'd be surprised! Or even the same W10M front end on a 6P or other high end Android device. I'd buy it in a New York second!

    Just imagine; a phone with that awesome customizable Start Screen and Glance, with a proper App Store (that has everything you might want or need) all running on some premium hardware. It doesn't really sound like too much to ask for...

    ...but I don't think we're ever going to get it lol :/
    Good luck with that one Ed. Your imagination is on point tonight.

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    04-17-2016 11:15 PM
  6. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    Windows phone 7 and Windows phone 8 had lags too. Again, no one else a giving Android a pass (see my Nexus comments below). I've clearly said that they both experience lags. I see Micah hasn't lost the ability to "see and not really read" during the week's vacation from Windows Central.

    Even on "stock Android" lag can occur - ask Nexus 5X users before the March 2016 performance updates. I'm not a software engineer, but lag happens and these folks do a damn good job with software. While I don't code myself, I watched my brother learn COBOL, PASCAL, BASIC, C+, C++, JAVA from the early 90s until now. Coding isn't easy.

    I never saw what the big deal was about "lag", other than Apple using the terms lag and fragmentation as marketing tools to lure more consumers into iOS. Most of my mobile devices have more raw processing power than my desktop and they do what I want consistently.

    My first Android device was a HTC Magic - if you know what that is. I've used every version of Android. I've used every version of Windows Mobile since 2003SE, if you know what that is. I've used Apple up to iOS7. I used WebOS, RIM up to BB OS7. I've used or owned nearly 100 phones since 2004.

    Google wants to transition their version of Android from Java to get away from Oracle and to improve performance. Everyone is working to improve OS performance, no matter the platform. Somto continue the arguement of one OS lagging more than the other is really silly.

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    I make the argument that Android lags (because it still does) because its fans want to pretend that it no longer is an issue. This thread alone is a perfect example.

    All Oses do lag. Just like all cars can have issues. It's just a matter of what is worse.

    I know the HTC magic. Horrible phone.

    My first android phone was the first android phone (Tmobile's G1) and I previously used Windows mobile.

    I was an HTC fanboy back then.

    I was also a big fan of Webos myself. I had the P alm Pixi and Pre Plus from Verizon. Lovely OS, horrible OS.

    In between I've used Blackberry whatever version as on the Storm (Awful Phone btw).

    I even used Microsoft's Kin(Both devices) as well as a few Symbian and Mego and a few others. And IOS of course.

    So my knowledge, while not as long as you(2007), is also more than just being experienced with Windows phone.

    I hope Google does improve the OS and make it visually appealing than it is now as well as performing better. I also hope they establish some standards within the OS aka learn to control it more while giving freedom.

    I personally wouldn't use Google as I don't like the way they treat subsets of their users who wish to use their services. I don't use google services but I do feel for the WP fans who unfortunately do...and are forced to either live without or poor implementations.

    But to each their own. I just refuse to conform to a company who seems less about choice and more about trying to control its userbase. Interestingly enough, Microsoft was guilty of the same things Google does today and google gets a pass. I can only hope, Google's comeuppance and humbling time will come soon and hard.
    04-17-2016 11:18 PM
  7. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    I'm just tired. Too sick to really go flogging dead horses right now.

    Hey Ed, is your 1520 a AT&T or an unlocked model? I kept thinking about your chip near the volume buttons... If that were me I may have done a housing replacement.

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    04-17-2016 11:19 PM
  8. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    There is no stock Android. "Stock Android" is Google's version of Android. I've gone Gappless before...rooted a device and removed all Google apps and ran it straight AOSP. That doesn't happen as much now as Google has made it harder to do so with their current versions of Android. Some folks still do, and pick hardware on Android based on their ability to still being able to do that.

    My favorite OSes are Symbian, WebOS and Windows Mobile 6.5. I have to use these modern ones because that's what's available. Doesn't mean I'm a true fan of any of them, but since they do what I want right now, I use them.

    Tech is a tool. Once it's outlived its usefulness, I change to something else. That's what we truly platform agnostic folks do...

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    04-17-2016 11:28 PM
  9. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    One of my all time favorite phones was the Bold 9700. I miss those housing swap days when I'd go online, buy a housing and swap it out. I had a chrome Bold for a while...my ex at the time loved purple and for her birthday I bought her a white Bold and swapped out the housing for a truly purple phone.

    Screen replacements on that phone was a PITA though. They used 3 sets of screens so if you didn't have the right one, you're screwed. Did my own housing swaps on a HTC Touch - bought a black one and turned it green and white.

    My favorite DIY was when the WP7 Gen one models used microSD cards for memory. I opened up my HTC Mozart and dropped a 32GB card in there. Write speed was horrid, but it was a fun project.

    That's why i have great respect for repair men. This is such a skill these days I don't even bother try too many DIYs like I used to.

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    04-17-2016 11:34 PM
  10. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    I've always respected people who used the "chips on their shoulders" constructively. Too many people in the world walk around with chips on their shoulders and are too busy fighting for respect that they already have in many cases.

    Got a co-worker who is a feminist and sometimes I think she purposely chooses not to see the forest becuase she prefers the trees. Well, whatever works for her...except for when she does that to me i usually check her.

    It's my beef with modern society today...too many people are interested in seeking attention and self recognition from others. So people don't how how and when to listen.

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    04-17-2016 11:39 PM
  11. Ed Boland's Avatar
    Shoot.. I've only been using Microsoft products since 1986.. Y'know, back before they invented beepers! (Mine was a Motorola!)

    Going to bed nite all!
    04-17-2016 11:43 PM
  12. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    There is an old saying I live by: "it's not what you say, it's how you say it".

    Some folks have no desire to do anything else but hear themselves talk. Some people don't get that when you pull on a lion's tail, you shouldn't that the lion population needs to be controlled when the same lion turns around and swats of half your face with one of its paws.

    I just don't know anymore these days. Maybe that's why I usually try to stay in the company of truly intelligent folks who can appreciate things like respect, tact, nuances...

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    04-17-2016 11:44 PM
  13. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    I almost cried...My poor 1520(Obviously on the left) literally fell out of my pocket somehow at work. I knew it was shattered from how I heard it fall.

    Prior to that back in November, my 640 XL also broke(though thankfully not as bad) because I stupidly placed it on the toilet paper dispenser in a bathroom to change into my uniform and it slid off and hit the ground....

    My poor Lumias :( I wanted to get the 1520 repaired but A) Idk where to take it and B ) I paid $150 for it used. I feel it is kind of a waste to get it repaired. I have my 950 XL coming soon but I really love the 1520 and I kind of don't even want the 950 XL.

    I may buy a 4th Lumia 1520 off ebay...it's truly the best WP and one of the best smartphones to date.
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    04-17-2016 11:45 PM
  14. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    I almost cried...My poor 1520(Obviously on the left) literally fell out of my pocket somehow at work. I knew it was shattered from how I heard it fall.

    Prior to that back in November, my 640 XL also broke(though thankfully not as bad) because I stupidly placed it on the toilet paper dispenser in a bathroom to change into my uniform and it slid off and hit the ground....

    My poor Lumias :( I wanted to get the 1520 repaired but A) Idk where to take it and B ) I paid $150 for it used. I feel it is kind of a waste to get it repaired. I have my 950 XL coming soon but I really love the 1520 and I kind of don't even want the 950 XL.

    I may buy a 4th Lumia 1520 off ebay...it's truly the best WP and one of the best smartphones to date.
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    Well, I'm from the school of it being more Eco friendly to replace a screen than to buy a new handset because the broken one doesn't disappear.

    There was another community member here who was selling a unicorn 1520 with a screen issue. I told him to fix the screen and it would increase the value of the phone. He got the screen replaced and he went from selling the 1520 for $90 broken to $250. What you're paying to buy another 1520 you could easily pay to get the current one replaced.

    My repair guy (if you were in the NYC area I'd pass along his info) always gives me options. He can charge me for parts and labor or I buy my parts and he does labor only repairs. The 1520 is an old phone so many DIY videos exist online. Nokias are generally easier to repair...I've opened up a few Lumias before, so a screen replacement isn't terrible as long as you can follow instructionsif you want to do it yourself.

    I think the screen for the 1520 is about $60-$70. If you buy the parts, buy the complete screen + digitizer setup...that's the hassle free option. Many places online sell them. You could easily find a local repair shop and get a quote if you ordered the part yourself and paid for labor only vs the part and labor done both by the repair person.

    It's up to you and how you want to spend your money though.

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    04-18-2016 12:30 AM
  15. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    I'm going to bed now. Need to wake up to go to the funny farm in a few hours.

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    04-18-2016 12:35 AM
  16. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    I'll give it some thought. I guess if I am going to go through that trouble of repairing it, i'll see if I can also repair the housing and change it to green since I never liked my white phone to begin with.
    Well, I'm from the school of it being more Eco friendly to replace a screen than to buy a new handset because the broken one doesn't disappear.

    There was another community member here who was selling a unicorn 1520 with a screen issue. I told him to fix the screen and it would increase the value of the phone. He got the screen replaced and he went from selling the 1520 for $90 broken to $250. What you're paying to buy another 1520 you could easily pay to get the current one replaced.

    My repair guy (if you were in the NYC area I'd pass along his info) always gives me options. He can charge me for parts and labor or I buy my parts and he does labor only repairs. The 1520 is an old phone so many DIY videos exist online. Nokias are generally easier to repair...I've opened up a few Lumias before, so a screen replacement isn't terrible as long as you can follow instructionsif you want to do it yourself.

    I think the screen for the 1520 is about $60-$70. If you buy the parts, buy the complete screen + digitizer setup...that's the hassle free option. Many places online sell them. You could easily find a local repair shop and get a quote if you ordered the part yourself and paid for labor only vs the part and labor done both by the repair person.

    It's up to you and how you want to spend your money though.

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    04-18-2016 12:39 AM
  17. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    I'm all for an argument from time to time but this thread has usually been a good time.

    Unfortunately we have an individual on here taking their personal preferences and biases and turning this thread into an unpleasant place again.

    I don't come on this thread to have arguments and hear some twit bang on and on about the same nonsense over and over again.

    Let's put this into perspective for you.

    This thread is in the 'OFF TOPICS' area. This thread is the ultimate in 'OFF TOPIC' as it doesn't have a topic. It's simply a thread of conversation.

    The fact this is a 'Windows Forum' is irrelevant to this thread as it's OFF TOPIC. If it was an issue they would have shut it down ages ago.

    If you want to go argue about how great W10 is against other OSs go do it elsewhere. We're all muti-platform users here. We all like tech and we're critical of all of it.

    I'm tired of having to repeat this nonsense but some people never seem to learn.
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  18. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    Just FYI if you haven't figured it out yet.

    You're on my ignore list. I can't see anything you write (unless I want to). I prefer it that way.

    It's just unfortunate that it doesn't hide your posts when people quote you.
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    04-18-2016 05:42 AM
  19. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    Morning folks. I wish I could call out today but I cannot. At least the weather will be nice outside. NYC is always nice in warmer weather because everything gets better to look at - including the locals.

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    04-18-2016 06:17 AM
  20. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    I'll give it some thought. I guess if I am going to go through that trouble of repairing it, i'll see if I can also repair the housing and change it to green since I never liked my white phone to begin with.
    If you do that, you've got to make sure the housing you buy comes with the correct color sim card trays. The green maybe harder to find.

    I didn't buy that WPC member's unicorn because I would have swapped the housing out too and it started to get too expensive for my tastes when I did the math.

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    04-18-2016 06:22 AM
  21. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    Just FYI if you haven't figured it out yet.

    You're on my ignore list. I can't see anything you write (unless I want to). I prefer it that way.

    It's just unfortunate that it doesn't hide your posts when people quote you.
    I see you're in rare Monday form, flogging this dead horse. Give it a rest...just have conversations with who you want over what you want. I'm sure people ignore my chatter all the time, so I'm not going sweat this too much...

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    04-18-2016 06:24 AM
  22. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    I see you're in rare Monday form, flogging this dead horse. Give it a rest...just have conversations with who you want over what you want. I'm sure people ignore my chatter all the time, so I'm not going sweat this too much...

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    I'm not flogging a dead horse. They decided to quote me so I informed them I am ignoring them so no point doing that.

    That was all. I don't plan have conversations with them.
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    04-18-2016 06:26 AM
  23. Ed Boland's Avatar
    Morning troops!

    Got the day off here, yet I'm up at the crack of dawn... making a pot of coffee. There was an Amber alert going off on every phone in the house this morning. That's actually what woke me up...
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    04-18-2016 06:42 AM
  24. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    Morning troops!

    Got the day off here, yet I'm up at the crack of dawn... making a pot of coffee. There was an Amber alert going off on every phone in the house this morning. That's actually what woke me up...
    Morning Ed.

    Amber alerts are no good...

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    04-18-2016 06:56 AM
  25. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    Looks like I'm late for today's trip to the funny farm...

    ...not that I care, really.

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