1. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    Putting the Mi Note 2 vs the Essential Phone and S8+/Note 8 makes the Xiaomi feel old. And it's not a bad looking design either. I'm curious to see how the Mi Mix 2 looks, 99...
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    09-18-2017 05:32 PM
  2. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    I won't lie: I'm smitten with that design of the Essential Phone. It feels like a modern Nexus 4. I loved using that phone, excluding the camera and the storage constraints.

    Still, I just cannot get over the one issue with the phone. As different as it is design wise...if I wanted a compact feeling stock ish Android experience based on communication and PIM only, I'd still pick a Pixel. As powerful as the Essential Phone is hardware and design wise, Pixel has the better optimized software. And let's not even discuss the camera.

    Still, it's an interesting device.
    09-18-2017 06:28 PM
  3. libra89's Avatar
    I won't lie: I'm smitten with that design of the Essential Phone. It feels like a modern Nexus 4. I loved using that phone, excluding the camera and the storage constraints.

    Still, I just cannot get over the one issue with the phone. As different as it is design wise...if I wanted a compact feeling stock ish Android experience based on communication and PIM only, I'd still pick a Pixel. As powerful as the Essential Phone is hardware and design wise, Pixel has the better optimized software. And let's not even discuss the camera.

    Still, it's an interesting device.
    I agree that it is a great looking phone.
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    09-18-2017 07:27 PM
  4. fatclue_98's Avatar
    I won't lie: I'm smitten with that design of the Essential Phone. It feels like a modern Nexus 4. I loved using that phone, excluding the camera and the storage constraints.

    Still, I just cannot get over the one issue with the phone. As different as it is design wise...if I wanted a compact feeling stock ish Android experience based on communication and PIM only, I'd still pick a Pixel. As powerful as the Essential Phone is hardware and design wise, Pixel has the better optimized software. And let's not even discuss the camera.

    Still, it's an interesting device.
    Is the camera really that bad? What would you compare it to?
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    09-18-2017 07:31 PM
  5. libra89's Avatar
    Is the camera really that bad? What would you compare it to?
    It is, especially for the price this phone is asking for. I love the size of it though.

    Check this out:

    And also this: https://www.androidcentral.com/essential-phone

    No need to read the review if you don't want to, you can just skip to the pictures.

    Edit: There's a photo thread too but note that most of the photos are daylight ones: https://forums.androidcentral.com/es...ours-here.html
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    09-18-2017 07:38 PM
  6. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    Is the camera really that bad? What would you compare it to?
    I took a test shot and it just seemed...meh. Plus the camera app is even more bare bones than Google camera, if you can believe it. No panorama, manual mode, etc. You can choose video, mono and regular, and maybe disable flash and selfie cam...but that's about it, I think.

    I think the hardware itself is solid. It's just an alpha camera app, sadly.

    They just don't offer enough outside of the design to justify the price. But I'd test drive it for $450...because I like the design and it feels compact for a screen that size.
    09-18-2017 08:02 PM
  7. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    As usual, Moto puts their foot in their mouth whenever it comes to major updates. There's a reason why I stay away from them...even though there are some hardware choices I like.

    https://www.xda-developers.com/motor...-moto-g4-plus/
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    09-18-2017 08:27 PM
  8. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    I took a test shot and it just seemed...meh. Plus the camera app is even more bare bones than Google camera, if you can believe it. No panorama, manual mode, etc. You can choose video, mono and regular, and maybe disable flash and selfie cam...but that's about it, I think.

    I think the hardware itself is solid. It's just an alpha camera app, sadly.

    They just don't offer enough outside of the design to justify the price. But I'd test drive it for $450...because I like the design and it feels compact for a screen that size.
    I know I'm already getting spoiled by the DAC and the camera in the V20. I wouldn't want to downgrade either of those features at this point. Carrying around an external DAC and USB OTG adapter is not something I'd do at this point.
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    09-18-2017 08:42 PM
  9. worldspy99's Avatar
    I took a test shot and it just seemed...meh. Plus the camera app is even more bare bones than Google camera, if you can believe it. No panorama, manual mode, etc. You can choose video, mono and regular, and maybe disable flash and selfie cam...but that's about it, I think.

    I think the hardware itself is solid. It's just an alpha camera app, sadly.

    They just don't offer enough outside of the design to justify the price. But I'd test drive it for $450...because I like the design and it feels compact for a screen that size.
    I see you trolling Swappa in 2018 for an Essential phone for around $400.
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    09-18-2017 08:54 PM
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    As usual, Moto puts their foot in their mouth whenever it comes to major updates. There's a reason why I stay away from them...even though there are some hardware choices I like.

    https://www.xda-developers.com/motor...-moto-g4-plus/
    They really messed up on the G4 series!
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    09-18-2017 08:55 PM
  11. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    I know I'm already getting spoiled by the DAC and the camera in the V20. I wouldn't want to downgrade either of those features at this point. Carrying around an external DAC and USB OTG adapter is not something I'd do at this point.
    See, I'd take the Essential Phone seriously if there were better USB-C headphones...which are still fewer and far between. I'd even give them a slight pass on the camera because I still own a 950XL.

    Where I draw the line at the price they're asking for is customer service. Not a fan of how they handled that email snafu. And the stories of calling and not getting through to reps is troubling.

    I'm not really in the mood to take on another prettier Nextbit Robin. As much as I'm gushing over the phone's design...I've got too many devices as is and hardly any storage room to keep them.

    Plus I'm not sure if it'll be polished enough...with how alpha the software was, they need to pump out updates like crazy...and if they want to sell a version two they need to be working on designs and prototypes already. That's a lot for a small company to ask.
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    09-18-2017 09:32 PM
  12. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    I see you trolling Swappa in 2018 for an Essential phone for around $400.
    Call me when it gets to the current V20 prices.
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    09-18-2017 09:32 PM
  13. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    They really messed up on the G4 series!
    You mean before or after they screwed up the X and E series?
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    09-18-2017 09:33 PM
  14. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    Is it just me but I'm not excited about the Pixel 2?

    I'm sure it'll be a good device...but I'm not too crazy for it. Guess it's just nice to read the news.

    I'm sure 99 will be pleased. I'm just not as hyped over it.
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    09-18-2017 10:18 PM
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    Is it just me but I'm not excited about the Pixel 2?

    I'm sure it'll be a good device...but I'm not too crazy for it. Guess it's just nice to read the news.

    I'm sure 99 will be pleased. I'm just not as hyped over it.
    I think it will be generally interesting but once I learned that there is no headphone jack, my interest is not there. You're not alone.
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    09-18-2017 10:26 PM
  16. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    I think it will be generally interesting but once I learned that there is no headphone jack, my interest is not there. You're not alone.
    I mean, it's not even about the no headphone jack for me. It's just...gonna be overpriced as last year's model was. There's just too many overpriced phones in the market now.
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    09-18-2017 11:42 PM
  17. worldspy99's Avatar
    Call me when it gets to the current V20 prices.
    Nope. You can troll Swappa on your own.
    I will ping you if I get the Mix 2 though.
    Hopefully the V30 will show up in tow so that it's fun to do a side by side comparison.
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    09-18-2017 11:45 PM
  18. worldspy99's Avatar
    You mean before or after they screwed up the X and E series?
    G4 series was probably their #1 seller.
    Screwing those folks over wasn't a very bright idea.
    I don't think I am going to touch a Moto again after this epic debacle!
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    09-18-2017 11:46 PM
  19. worldspy99's Avatar
    Is it just me but I'm not excited about the Pixel 2?

    I'm sure it'll be a good device...but I'm not too crazy for it. Guess it's just nice to read the news.

    I'm sure 99 will be pleased. I'm just not as hyped over it.
    I'm intrigued simply because very little has leaked out compared to all the other devices including iPhone X.

    I still think that the V30 might pull ahead of the Pixel 2 XL this go around.
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    09-18-2017 11:48 PM
  20. worldspy99's Avatar
    I mean, it's not even about the no headphone jack for me. It's just...gonna be overpriced as last year's model was. There's just too many overpriced phones in the market now.
    And sadly the deals have dried up. Samsung cleaned up the clock with blockbuster deals on S8/S8+ from launch till August and probably recovered their losses from the Note 7 fiasco and set themselves up for fat profit margins with the Note 8 launch and nixing any further deals for the Galaxy series.

    The G6 is solid but the V30 is better in pretty much every way so that is a tough slog for that device.

    I'm thinking iPhone 8 is gonna lose a lot of sales to iPhone X. Even Apple thinks so as the 6s series will still be available this year. On top of it Apple raised prices of all sorts of things including screen repair, Apple Care, iPads etc.

    Essential phone is gonna have a hard time gaining traction.

    HTC lost the battle with the bezels.

    And Moto who?
    09-18-2017 11:53 PM
  21. worldspy99's Avatar
    Great signal at work, coupled with Oreo means superb battery life on the Pixel!
    09-18-2017 11:54 PM
  22. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    Nope. You can troll Swappa on your own.
    I will ping you if I get the Mix 2 though.
    Hopefully the V30 will show up in tow so that it's fun to do a side by side comparison.
    I meant that I'd only be interested in the Essential phone next year when it gets to the current price levels the V20 is at...not to offer assistance in sourcing one...
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    09-18-2017 11:58 PM
  23. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    G4 series was probably their #1 seller.
    Screwing those folks over wasn't a very bright idea.
    I don't think I am going to touch a Moto again after this epic debacle!
    The G series ever since its inception was the best thing Moto did...even better than the X in terms of redefining value for money from a well known OEM. So of course you know they HAD to screw it up at some point...
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    09-18-2017 11:59 PM
  24. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    And sadly the deals have dried up. Samsung cleaned up the clock with blockbuster deals on S8/S8+ from launch till August and probably recovered their losses from the Note 7 fiasco and set themselves up for fat profit margins with the Note 8 launch and nixing any further deals for the Galaxy series.

    The G6 is solid but the V30 is better in pretty much every way so that is a tough slog for that device.

    I'm thinking iPhone 8 is gonna lose a lot of sales to iPhone X. Even Apple thinks so as the 6s series will still be available this year. On top of it Apple raised prices of all sorts of things including screen repair, Apple Care, iPads etc.

    Essential phone is gonna have a hard time gaining traction.

    HTC lost the battle with the bezels.

    And Moto who?
    Moto who? Sony why?

    I think you're spot on. The G6 will make a nice value for money phone over the holidays and into early next year like the G5 is still a great bang for buck phone right now (and the V20 by extension). Lots of OEMs will get butthurt this year. It's why Alcatel and honor went in different directions in 2017 in the US as opposed to swinging for the fences as they did in 2016.

    Speaking of Huawei...what a beast the Mate 9 still is...and it isn't that much bigger than the Mi Note 2. I saw it and the Honor 8 today and just shook my head. I kinda wish I tried a Mate 9 to test out...I might have liked it enough to somewhat stomach EMUI.

    Lots of good deals to be had if you shop around smartly...
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    09-19-2017 12:06 AM
  25. worldspy99's Avatar
    Looks like Motorola decided to update G4 Plus to Oreo after all
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    09-19-2017 12:15 AM
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