1. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    Here are some more pictures from Death Valley National Park.

    First one is Mesquite Sand Dunes.
    Next one is Stovepipe Wells - very happy to scratch that off my list.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...954911c675.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...697d845015.jpg
    These are all very cool pictures. How hot was it in Death Valley?
    12-29-2017 01:15 AM
  2. worldspy99's Avatar
    These are all very cool pictures. How hot was it in Death Valley?
    It was -2C when we reached there and then got up to 17C during the day. Probably the best time of the year to visit.
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    12-29-2017 01:23 AM
  3. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    Another day in the freezer...I'm hopeful things go smoothly today.
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    12-29-2017 07:44 AM
  4. worldspy99's Avatar
    Oh, I forgot to mention this earlier. Apparently you get a cool decal for hiking in Death Valley National Park.
    12-29-2017 02:30 PM
  5. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    What's the best way to end a cold week? Light snow, of course...

    ...not complaining, just another day in Paradise...
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    12-30-2017 08:21 AM
  6. TgeekB's Avatar
    What's the best way to end a cold week? Light snow, of course...

    ...not complaining, just another day in Paradise...
    Another cold week coming up in the northeastern U.S. from what I read.
    Paradise is what you make of it I guess.
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    12-30-2017 09:51 AM
  7. worldspy99's Avatar
    Just got notification that my Eve V is shipping - finally. Hopefully it will arrive sometime next week as a New Year present.
    12-30-2017 10:07 AM
  8. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    Another cold week coming up in the northeastern U.S. from what I read.
    Paradise is what you make of it I guess.
    You're not familiar with why I call it "Paradise". My reasoning is found in the sentiment of this song:



    Subtle sarcasm is a hard thing to convey online..m
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    12-30-2017 10:24 AM
  9. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    I got the new case for Andy's phone. As expected, it makes using the current usb-c headphones I have easier. They need to make a better skin case like this, sans the mods cutout.

    For my use, the old case and current screen protector is a match made in lint heaven. Need to clean this up soon.
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    12-30-2017 10:27 AM
  10. libra89's Avatar
    What's the best way to end a cold week? Light snow, of course...

    ...not complaining, just another day in Paradise...
    Honestly, I'm over this weekend snow thing. It's old to me now. Fortunately, it hasn't been terrible but still annoying.
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    12-30-2017 10:27 AM
  11. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    Honestly, I'm over this weekend snow thing. It's old to me now. Fortunately, it hasn't been terrible but still annoying.
    I did laundry in it and I'm running errands in it still...you just shrug your shoulders and power through. We could be in Laura's neck of the woods shoveling snow, so no complaining here.
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    12-30-2017 10:30 AM
  12. worldspy99's Avatar
    I got the new case for Andy's phone. As expected, it makes using the current usb-c headphones I have easier. They need to make a better skin case like this, sans the mods cutout.

    For my use, the old case and current screen protector is a match made in lint heaven. Need to clean this up soon.
    I really like the Incipio case for the Essential phone.
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    12-30-2017 10:36 AM
  13. TgeekB's Avatar
    You're not familiar with why I call it "Paradise". My reasoning is found in the sentiment of this song:



    Subtle sarcasm is a hard thing to convey online..m
    Got ya.
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    12-30-2017 10:38 AM
  14. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    Initial impressions with Andy's phone:

    Most of he reviewers are accurate. Andrew M from Android central shat all over the phone in both reviews and while he makes a FEW solid points, this is one of the better new phone debuts in a while.

    Andy needs better camera software and to better optimize some of the phone's software and the sophomore version should be really good.
    12-30-2017 10:38 AM
  15. worldspy99's Avatar
    Initial impressions with Andy's phone:

    Most of he reviewers are accurate. Andrew M from Android central shat all over the phone in both reviews and while he makes a FEW solid points, this is one of the better new phone debuts in a while.

    Andy needs better camera software and to better optimize some of the phone's software and the sophomore version should be really good.
    Outside of the camera, everything else is fine. Waterproofing and headphone jack would have been great. I am a bit ambivalent about wireless charging.
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    12-30-2017 10:42 AM
  16. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Initial impressions with Andy's phone:

    Most of he reviewers are accurate. Andrew M from Android central shat all over the phone in both reviews and while he makes a FEW solid points, this is one of the better new phone debuts in a while.

    Andy needs better camera software and to better optimize some of the phone's software and the sophomore version should be really good.
    What, if any, new features does the Essential bring? The reason I ask is that there is no real reason that phones should have any issues on release. I can understand hardware novelties like multi-camera setups or in my case a physical keyboard. You would think there's a cut sheet for a basic slab that uses onscreen nav buttons and off-the-shelf Sony sensors on the camera. It seems to me that manufacturing has taken a back seat to sales. QC is apparently a foreign concept as is random inspection.
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    12-30-2017 10:52 AM
  17. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    More random shots from Andy's phone. I removed the Google camera app. The MTA is testing some half *** idea of removing the seats in subway cars to create more room, hence the odd su way look. This is done on the 42nd St Shuttle train.
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    12-30-2017 10:58 AM
  18. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    Outside of the camera, everything else is fine. Waterproofing and headphone jack would have been great. I am a bit ambivalent about wireless charging.
    Because I manage my battery usage well and rarely top up in the day, I always like Qi for overnight charging. Otherwise, Andy's team did a nice job - outside of the camera.
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    12-30-2017 11:04 AM
  19. worldspy99's Avatar
    Because I manage my battery usage well and rarely top up in the day, I always like Qi for overnight charging. Otherwise, Andy's team did a nice job - outside of the camera.
    Can I make the camera work, yes. But it takes effort. The Pixel series has spoiled me. I have to work hard to get good pictures on the Essential phone, and even the V30 (not as hard but still not as easy as the Pixel). My iPhone tooting spouse even wants pictures on the Pixel these days...that alone tells me enough about how good the Pixel camera is.
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    12-30-2017 11:12 AM
  20. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    What, if any, new features does the Essential bring? The reason I ask is that there is no real reason that phones should have any issues on release. I can understand hardware novelties like multi-camera setups or in my case a physical keyboard. You would think there's a cut sheet for a basic slab that uses onscreen nav buttons and off-the-shelf Sony sensors on the camera. It seems to me that manufacturing has taken a back seat to sales. QC is apparently a foreign concept as is random inspection.
    The problem is that the whole industry, including Apple, is still chasing after Apple (iPhone 3G-4s) super profits.

    If you're shooting for that uber-competitve mass market device, then yes, certain things should be nailed down before launch. I'll compare Andy's team to OnePlus. The difference here is OnePlus has always had backing from Oppo, for whom Carl Pei's bunch are a sub brand. Having experience with how mobile works is different than running a company and setting up all the logistics smoothly. It took Carl Pei's group 4 years to get sensible and have a good consumer base. OPO had a ton of QC issues - ask 99 about that.

    I thought the tech community's expectations where too high because it's Andy. There's room for Andy's team in the market, but they have to figure out their audience. I'd target the people who like compact phones and ensure you keep fitting a big screen and a good camera in a small body. As much as I like stock Android, they need to either go fully bare bones and make it fly, or go the Moto/Pixel route with the ability to add on a few custom features that are useful.
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    12-30-2017 11:15 AM
  21. worldspy99's Avatar
    Because I manage my battery usage well and rarely top up in the day, I always like Qi for overnight charging. Otherwise, Andy's team did a nice job - outside of the camera.
    I actually top up sometime during the day for the most part and let the phone be off the charger for about 24 hours between charges. Overnight charging is a thing of the past for me.
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    12-30-2017 11:18 AM
  22. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    I'm not looking forward to a few of the changes I need to make next year...
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    12-30-2017 11:19 AM
  23. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    I actually top up sometime during the day for the most part and let the phone be off the charger for about 24 hours between charges. Overnight charging is a thing of the past for me.
    With how my day breaks, I've got no time to charge during the day. That's the challenge OEMs face - needing to cater to a large swaths of consumers.
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    12-30-2017 11:26 AM
  24. worldspy99's Avatar
    With how my day breaks, I've got no time to charge during the day. That's the challenge OEMs face - needing to cater to a large swaths of consumers.
    Yeah I can see that. I will top up a little bit on my commute or maybe an hour in between meetings at work. I sometimes think it might be a good idea to charge using a battery pack and charge the pack overnight. Usually I do that when I travel.

    Speaking of travel, January is going to be nuts.
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    12-30-2017 11:29 AM
  25. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    Can I make the camera work, yes. But it takes effort. The Pixel series has spoiled me. I have to work hard to get good pictures on the Essential phone, and even the V30 (not as hard but still not as easy as the Pixel). My iPhone tooting spouse even wants pictures on the Pixel these days...that alone tells me enough about how good the Pixel camera is.
    It always depends on priorities...if all you do is shoot on auto, and you take a ton of pictures, these no reason to buy anything outside of a Pixel. If you want to tweak your stuff, then the others (V30, Mate, even Samsung) become more viable.

    For me, it's just a bit limiting what the Pixel cameras can do, even though what they can do is excellent.

    But hey, everyone is different.
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    12-30-2017 11:30 AM
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