1. libra89's Avatar
    While I might be one to prefer to use Apple phones, that doesn't mean that what Apple chooses to do doesn't frustrate me.

    I guess this is a mini rant? Feel free to ignore.

    Apple does update their phones for a while which is nice (idealistically) but what is the price? The price seems to be not only a hit in performance but also a hit in battery life, even for phones with a new battery. As an owner of a iPhone 7 with iOS 10.2.1, battery life is pretty good but the tradeoff is unexpected shutdowns. It took Apple over a year to fix this issue with iPhone 7s with 11.2.

    I don't need to mention how bad iOS 11 has been. It's just stupid that you can have better performance on 11 but bad battery life. If you want a 7, it seems like you can get a new one from Apple with reduced battery life, a new refurbished one with better battery life on older software but have the experience of unexpected shutdowns. I wish I knew that iPhone 7s had this issue too. Such a first world problem, I know but it kind of sucks to feel like you have no good options.
    04-14-2018 07:50 PM
  2. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    While I might be one to prefer to use Apple phones, that doesn't mean that what Apple chooses to do doesn't frustrate me.

    I guess this is a mini rant? Feel free to ignore.

    Apple does update their phones for a while which is nice (idealistically) but what is the price? The price seems to be not only a hit in performance but also a hit in battery life, even for phones with a new battery. As an owner of a iPhone 7 with iOS 10.2.1, battery life is pretty good but the tradeoff is unexpected shutdowns. It took Apple over a year to fix this issue with iPhone 7s with 11.2.

    I don't need to mention how bad iOS 11 has been. It's just stupid that you can have better performance on 11 but bad battery life. If you want a 7, it seems like you can get a new one from Apple with reduced battery life, a new refurbished one with better battery life on older software but have the experience of unexpected shutdowns. I wish I knew that iPhone 7s had this issue too. Such a first world problem, I know but it kind of sucks to feel like you have no good options.
    #datthrottlingrottenfruit
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    04-14-2018 07:51 PM
  3. libra89's Avatar
    #datthrottlingrottenfruit
    Haha, true. I guess that is a valid point. I don't know where sense went, sticking to Android seems to be a possibility. I mean Samsung, and Sony seem to do updates without breaking massive things? Didn't know it was so hard.
    04-14-2018 08:05 PM
  4. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    Haha, true. I guess that is a valid point. I don't know where sense went, sticking to Android seems to be a possibility. I mean Samsung, and Sony seem to do updates without breaking massive things? Didn't know it was so hard.
    All software breaks stuff. It's tech. Boils down to what your compromises are.
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    04-14-2018 08:49 PM
  5. libra89's Avatar
    All software breaks stuff. It's tech. Boils down to what your compromises are.
    That's a great point but this is a terrible one. There are just terrible ones that make you wonder what the devs were thinking. I still can't get over the I glitch even happening, how many times do people type that in a day? A lot, actually.
    04-14-2018 09:11 PM
  6. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    That's a great point but this is a terrible one. There are just terrible ones that make you wonder what the devs were thinking. I still can't get over the I glitch even happening, how many times do people type that in a day? A lot, actually.
    Writing code isn't easy. Making sure these things work takes time, especially with consumers (and OEM management) having less patience these days.
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    04-14-2018 09:24 PM
  7. libra89's Avatar
    Writing code isn't easy. Making sure these things work takes time, especially with consumers (and OEM management) having less patience these days.
    I believe it, I can't even begin to imagine how it is to write code for a whole OS. I'm learning Python for class and I have gotten stuck a lot so far. I just hope iOS 12 will be better than iOS 11.
    04-14-2018 09:36 PM
  8. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    I believe it, I can't even begin to imagine how it is to write code for a whole OS. I'm learning Python for class and I have gotten stuck a lot so far. I just hope iOS 12 will be better than iOS 11.
    Hope so, for your sake. I haven't updated my work for from iOS 10. I've got no intention in doing so either.
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    04-14-2018 09:38 PM
  9. libra89's Avatar
    Hope so, for your sake. I haven't updated my work for from iOS 10. I've got no intention in doing so either.
    I don't blame you. Why fix what isn't broken?
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    04-14-2018 09:45 PM
  10. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    I don't blame you. Why fix what isn't broken?
    I think that's a lot of people's motto:

    "Since it ain't broke, we'll fix it."
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    04-14-2018 09:50 PM
  11. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    Writing code isn't easy. Making sure these things work takes time, especially with consumers (and OEM management) having less patience these days.
    Writing code is a lot easier these days as software takes a lot of headaches out of it. Writing good code on the other hand is difficult and not many people subscribe to that because it's too hard.

    That is the issue with programming today.

    Not many people know how to debug well. They rely heavily on the software to help. Often things get missed.
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    04-15-2018 03:00 AM
  12. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    It appears that the stress levels for the vets here are pretty high. I'm hopeful that the rest of the year brings more successes and less stressors for everyone - posters and lurkers alike.
    I'll be fine. It's just a lot happened and we're still working through that.

    The future feels a bit uncertain at the moment and I'm not keen on the feeling.

    At the moment it's just going along for the ride and seeing what happens. Not my usual way of doing things.

    I'm not overly concerned by the way. We have several back up plans. Just not sure when to implement them...
    04-15-2018 03:04 AM
  13. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    Writing code is a lot easier these days as software takes a lot of headaches out of it. Writing good code on the other hand is difficult and not many people subscribe to that because it's too hard.

    That is the issue with programming today.

    Not many people know how to debug well. They rely heavily on the software to help. Often things get missed.
    I suppose that's one of the cons with adavances. We go through the pain to find ways to make things easier, but that experiential learning can teach us higher skills. But when we start with the easier way mapped out, not everyone can take that conceptually to build on it to learn those higher skills.

    Hence your favorite comment about newly minted college grads wanting supervisory money right after school because they just went to college...
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    04-15-2018 07:46 AM
  14. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    I suppose that's one of the cons with adavances. We go through the pain to find ways to make things easier, but that experiential learning can teach us higher skills. But when we start with the easier way mapped out, not everyone can take that conceptually to build on it to learn those higher skills.

    Hence your favorite comment about newly minted college grads wanting supervisory money right after school because they just went to college...
    The problem is that colleges tell them that as well. It's being told to them.

    'the new leaders' mantra
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    04-15-2018 09:03 AM
  15. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    It's just unfortunate as to the tablet situation on Android. There's really nothing out there that can replace my Z3, to which I have to nurse these days as the build is breaking down.

    If Google came out with a 8", 128GB, 4GB RAM, IP67 tablet, I'd be happy. If Sony updated the internally and design for the Z3 I'd buy it instantly. I suppose this is one of the drawbacks in finding tech that you like. Once it starts to break down, if it wasn't a popular model, you get screwed.
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    04-15-2018 09:31 AM
  16. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    It's just unfortunate as to the tablet situation on Android. There's really nothing out there that can replace my Z3, to which I have to nurse these days as the build is breaking down.

    If Google came out with a 8", 128GB, 4GB RAM, IP67 tablet, I'd be happy. If Sony updated the internally and design for the Z3 I'd buy it instantly. I suppose this is one of the drawbacks in finding tech that you like. Once it starts to break down, if it wasn't a popular model, you get screwed.
    I'd buy an iPad mini, but the apps I have aren't truly platform agnostic. So I'm not willing to pay Apple money again for data in apps I have on Android. So I'll keep waiting.
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    04-15-2018 09:33 AM
  17. libra89's Avatar
    It's just unfortunate as to the tablet situation on Android. There's really nothing out there that can replace my Z3, to which I have to nurse these days as the build is breaking down.

    If Google came out with a 8", 128GB, 4GB RAM, IP67 tablet, I'd be happy. If Sony updated the internally and design for the Z3 I'd buy it instantly. I suppose this is one of the drawbacks in finding tech that you like. Once it starts to break down, if it wasn't a popular model, you get screwed.
    This is true, it really seems like a one of a kind tablet. They should have done a Microsoft move and release the Pixelbook and a tablet but considering how the Pixel C is done, that probably shows how much they really care.
    04-15-2018 09:43 AM
  18. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    The problem is that colleges tell them that as well. It's being told to them.

    'the new leaders' mantra
    I don't know.

    I believe in the idea of giving each generation the space necessary to grow into their legacy. Each generation has a different focal point. But I don't think we've equipped the current group for that transition as well as we could have...as such the future is very scary.
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    04-15-2018 09:45 AM
  19. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    This is true, it really seems like a one of a kind tablet. They should have done a Microsoft move and release the Pixelbook and a tablet but considering how the Pixel C is done, that probably shows how much they really care.
    Google just got to a point where their Pixel 3 will be that device where they can really be a more rounded standard bearer. They are nowhere near that in the tablet space.
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    04-15-2018 09:47 AM
  20. worldspy99's Avatar
    It's just unfortunate as to the tablet situation on Android. There's really nothing out there that can replace my Z3, to which I have to nurse these days as the build is breaking down.

    If Google came out with a 8", 128GB, 4GB RAM, IP67 tablet, I'd be happy. If Sony updated the internally and design for the Z3 I'd buy it instantly. I suppose this is one of the drawbacks in finding tech that you like. Once it starts to break down, if it wasn't a popular model, you get screwed.
    I'm quite happy with the Huawei MediaPad M3. It's got pretty much everything on your list minus the 128GB. I have the 64GB version. Oh and Huawei finally got it to Feb security patch as well. Only 7.0 though for OS. But it hasn't slowed down a bit in the year that I have had it.
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    04-15-2018 10:17 AM
  21. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    I'm quite happy with the Huawei MediaPad M3. It's got pretty much everything on your list minus the 128GB. I have the 64GB version. Oh and Huawei finally got it to Feb security patch as well. Only 7.0 though for OS. But it hasn't slowed down a bit in the year that I have had it.
    I'm happy with my tablet. It's just physically not aging well now. This really could have used 7.0.

    I'm not getting another tablet that isn't good with OS and security patches. During it's time, Sony did a great job of maintaining it.
    04-15-2018 11:15 AM
  22. fatclue_98's Avatar
    I'm happy with my tablet. It's just physically not aging well now. This really could have used 7.0.

    I'm not getting another tablet that isn't good with OS and security patches. During it's time, Sony did a great job of maintaining it.
    If it’s updates you’re after, it’s hard to bet against the iPad. At the prices they’re selling for now, it’s even tougher.
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    04-16-2018 08:40 AM
  23. worldspy99's Avatar
    If it’s updates you’re after, it’s hard to bet against the iPad. At the prices they’re selling for now, it’s even tougher.
    I have an iPad Air 2 LTE as well. There are a couple of things that I can do on the Huawei they are not feasible on the iPad ergo two tablets
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    04-16-2018 08:44 AM
  24. fatclue_98's Avatar
    I have an iPad Air 2 LTE as well. There are a couple of things that I can do on the Huawei they are not feasible on the iPad ergo two tablets
    I have the same tablet. File management is, and always will be, iOS's main issue for those of us who try to make more use of a tablet than just media consumption and social media.

    Sent from my Elite x3 on mTalk
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    04-16-2018 08:48 AM
  25. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    Spring cleaning is in swing. Need to reduce the devices.
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    04-17-2018 06:24 AM
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