1. Chuck Finley69's Avatar
    Yeah I believe this. I can't speak of all levels of education, but for a public institution, it is the same deal (unless fired and/or scandal, but this is for high positions). Mischief is not expected.
    Here, regardless of industry, this has become more common due to multitude of concerns and liabilities. Big concern is the liability with access to privacy data. USA is a very litigious society... Violation of privacy data could be manipulated into a civil rights violation pretty easily.
    12-10-2019 09:07 AM
  2. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    But unions exist here. People say, I support unions just like hitting the like button on Facebook, yet don’t actually physically go and participate. What’s the point in being pro-union if you don’t pursue unionization and participate in unions? The citizens of the USA don’t see it as diminishing but as exercising their rights.

    There’s always been an effort to deceive the public or to hide truth.
    Nobody is stupid. We elected Trump, good or bad, the people spoke and he won. Just like Obama, Bush and Clinton before.
    Many voted against Clinton or liked Trump from his TV days. Like Obama, the man has a circus like charisma. But, the people knew who they were choosing.

    What you’re seeing about the American people is that individualism of the freedom of choice. If we choose to eat Big Macs and Fries as XL value meals, it’s our choice. We reject universal healthcare because we don’t want to pay for Big Mac guy and girl and their Big Mac family.

    We have guns as constitutional right... I have a friend of mine that I borrow guns from to go range shooting. He owns 30-40 guns at various given times. I own zero guns... However, I’m more pro-gun anti-gun control legislation than him in some aspects... it’s not meant to be nonsensical but yet that’s who America is for the right of personal freedoms.

    Many have claimed Americans to unsophisticated or not enlightened and regardless of political leanings, Americans seem to embrace that notion still....as best of compliments
    You have a higher regard for the general public than I do it seems.

    I don't believe people want to be stupid but a lot are intentionally or willfully ignorant. Which means they might as well be stupid.

    The education in the US has been going steadily downhill for decades. Partially due to interference from revisionist and several lobby groups. It's a sad thing to see.

    I get that you're stuck on this glorified idea of individualism and all that but that's just an idea that's been fed to you and probably everyone else. You're individual because you've been told to be. It's how your society, laws, talking points, etc have been framed. It is that way because that's what the people in power want you to be. You can believe that or not but that's the simple truth.

    As for your election system... sigh...

    Anyway, I really don't have the time now to run this long debate. You obviously have your opinions and it will be difficult to change them as you really have no other experiences outside the US.

    I've lived in 5 countries and traveled extensively. No place is perfect and I can tell you a lot countries, even 3rd world countries, are better than the USA in how they treat their citizens. There's a reason why the US is near the bottom in a lot of surveys. You might want think more on that.

    But of course if money is your only way of viewing success, value or relevance than yeah I guess the USA is in the top.
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    12-11-2019 02:47 AM
  3. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    Hey Rue, did you get the Android 10 yet?
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    12-11-2019 07:53 AM
  4. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    Hey Rue, did you get the Android 10 yet?
    Nope. Still waiting. Not sure why it's taking so long.
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    12-11-2019 08:01 AM
  5. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    Quick update.

    The house thing went a lot smoother than expected. So that's over and done with finally.

    Whole bunch of other stuff I'm taking care of with regards to the new job and so on.

    But it's all good.
    12-11-2019 08:02 AM
  6. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    I wish I could be viewed on my individual merits solely. Sadly, the society I live in while it works hard to sell me that idea, also seeks to minimize the importance of what INTERPRETATION of the idea of individualism is preferred. That is, until you get put in those situations that forcibly remind you of how much your version of individualism doesn't match the preferred one.

    The US would benefit from marching on the road to "different but equal." It is still in the place of "different AND unequal". Doesn't mean we shouldn't fight for the former, it's just a lot of people feel we are already there when we're more entrenched in the latter than ever.
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    12-11-2019 08:10 AM
  7. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    Nope. Still waiting. Not sure why it's taking so long.
    Guess it's still on rollout. I'm looking forward to trying it, sorta.
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    12-11-2019 08:11 AM
  8. libra89's Avatar
    Quick update.

    The house thing went a lot smoother than expected. So that's over and done with finally.

    Whole bunch of other stuff I'm taking care of with regards to the new job and so on.

    But it's all good.
    Glad to hear this!
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    12-11-2019 08:33 AM
  9. Chuck Finley69's Avatar
    You have a higher regard for the general public than I do it seems.

    I don't believe people want to be stupid but a lot are intentionally or willfully ignorant. Which means they might as well be stupid.

    The education in the US has been going steadily downhill for decades. Partially due to interference from revisionist and several lobby groups. It's a sad thing to see.

    I get that you're stuck on this glorified idea of individualism and all that but that's just an idea that's been fed to you and probably everyone else. You're individual because you've been told to be. It's how your society, laws, talking points, etc have been framed. It is that way because that's what the people in power want you to be. You can believe that or not but that's the simple truth.

    As for your election system... sigh...

    Anyway, I really don't have the time now to run this long debate. You obviously have your opinions and it will be difficult to change them as you really have no other experiences outside the US.

    I've lived in 5 countries and traveled extensively. No place is perfect and I can tell you a lot countries, even 3rd world countries, are better than the USA in how they treat their citizens. There's a reason why the US is near the bottom in a lot of surveys. You might want think more on that.

    But of course if money is your only way of viewing success, value or relevance than yeah I guess the USA is in the top.
    It’s not that I have any higher regard for anything. I’m not looking to blame anyone for my past, current and future situation. Here in USA, we’re free to do as we choose.


    I’m not sure how I have a higher regard for people than anyone else. People are free to make their own decisions in what they feel is best for them. Who am I to judge them as intelligent or not because of their views and choices? I can totally disagree with someone but that doesn’t invalidate their right to choice. Like Trump or Clinton, we had to vote lesser of the worse but isn’t that life if we’re not voting for ourselves? NOBODY will have my interests except for ME inclusively.

    You seem to be stuck on this idea that people who disagree with your viewpoints and perceptions are stupid? By your logic, then I should think about others that way? For me, that logic and line of thinking doesn’t let me follow my goal to be “men for others” and to serve others where possible with at least time and talent for less fortunate regardless of my own less than optimal situation.

    I guess our education system has always lacked compared with the rest of civilization since we only have 243 years of existence as official country. Much of the 500 years of territorial existence has been flawed and our educational system just wants to continue repeating what the people want to believe as truth. Problem is that our system encourages and promotes this individual behavior and we’re doomed since as nation it’s constitutionally protected for some really bad ideas to also encourage the really good ideas. I look at some of the minds at the Apple, Google and Microsoft companies for instance. Many of those people are products of USA education in spite of itself.

    Regarding individual rights, I’m not stuck on them as I’m not required to be. We’re all free to choose. But that individualism ties directly into freedom. The Democrats have been preaching many of the ideas you espouse. Sometimes people vote for them only to reject them shortly thereafter. See, that’s individualism we speak of. We like certain ideas as country sometimes but then choose to drop support because we don’t like whatever perceived individual rights we’re giving up.

    How’s our election system bad? We go out and vote for whoever that we like or don’t even vote and still complain. You’re right that our system preaches and protects individual rights. We had almost 20 people in the Republican primaries four years ago. Everyone laughed at Trump and yet he carried the people. When Clinton ran against him, she believed in her own enlightened superiority. Many people voted against her to lose as we’re tired of the current system. We pull for a person like Trump, because in reality, both parties don’t like the guy. I’d say our system is ok if we can stick our middle finger up and upset the establishment on both sides. That’s how Clinton won in the 90s but could you imagine how the pundits would speak today?

    I’ve only been in six countries through Central and South America plus the Caribbean nations. I’ve lived in Peru and Mexico on extended temporary status at various times. Unfortunately the drug cartels and socialist leanings of both countries aren’t bearable when the capitalist hidden infrastructure encourages an illegal amount of corruption. It’s hypocritical so I assume to live in my country of birth simply because it’s easier to control my own destiny.

    As far as how I’m treated as citizen, I don’t want any treatment other than be left alone by the government as much as possible. When I need something, I’ll call them. In that vein, I think you’ll find that most Americans don’t care what other countries think of us collectively. Why should we care? How does some collective opinion affect my daily life? Before I can worry about people in some other country, I’ve got enough people with their individual different viewpoints in this country to worry about. We’re too busy as one country ever divided to have time for secondary concerns. Imagine how things would be if our country got involved outside it’s national borders every time something goes wrong elsewhere.
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    12-11-2019 08:42 AM
  10. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    You seem to be stuck on this idea that people who disagree with your viewpoints and perceptions are stupid?
    I'm only commenting on this as I already pointed out I'm done discussing these topics. I haven't got the time or desire to keep going around in circles. Your post are on repeat and I'm at the TLDR point.

    So, to be clear - Nowhere did I say people who disagree with my viewpoints are stupid. Learn to read better.

    I don't live in the USA and I never will. I have no desire to even visit the place currently. I have friends there but that's it.

    That's all.
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    12-11-2019 08:53 AM
  11. libra89's Avatar
    While we are closing for the year soon, I decided that I need a day off before then. I'm just tired. I have used time off to run errands but a day to just be home (and also work on some work for class, hopefully finish it?) would be nice.
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    12-11-2019 09:00 AM
  12. Chuck Finley69's Avatar
    I wish I could be viewed on my individual merits solely. Sadly, the society I live in while it works hard to sell me that idea, also seeks to minimize the importance of what INTERPRETATION of the idea of individualism is preferred. That is, until you get put in those situations that forcibly remind you of how much your version of individualism doesn't match the preferred one.

    The US would benefit from marching on the road to "different but equal." It is still in the place of "different AND unequal". Doesn't mean we shouldn't fight for the former, it's just a lot of people feel we are already there when we're more entrenched in the latter than ever.
    Then you’re simply in the wrong place. Just find a better place or make your place better. It starts with one, always one. Corporate-speak has always been and forever will be contradictory. You can’t truly have an environment that supports individualists and maintain sense of forward direction. At some point, sometimes that individualism merely is the individual choice to leave for something better.

    You sound like you’re exemplary with communication skills, very learned and educated. It’s definitely not you but them and it would be their loss.
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    12-11-2019 09:04 AM
  13. MSFTisMIA's Avatar


    Those who have eyes to see will see, those who have ears will hear.
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    12-11-2019 09:19 AM
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    Then you’re simply in the wrong place. Just find a better place or make your place better. It starts with one, always one. Corporate-speak has always been and forever will be contradictory. You can’t truly have an environment that supports individualists and maintain sense of forward direction. At some point, sometimes that individualism merely is the individual choice to leave for something better.

    You sound like you’re exemplary with communication skills, very learned and educated. It’s definitely not you but them and it would be their loss.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_work

    That's my profession. It is clear you aren't very familiar with it at all. I work, and share commentary and information on this thread from the following lens:

    https://www.ucalgary.ca/sw/ramsay/PI...nvironment.htm

    It can be used on a micro (individual), meso (group) and or macro (societal, organizational) levels.

    While your intent may be in the "right place", good intentions without understanding the context in which a situation operates have often and will continue to lead to negative consequences because of poor execution.

    The post you referenced was commentary I made based on me as an individual in this society with different layers of my identity that this society doesn't value. It also referenced me as a professional having to walk into environments that see those layers of my identity, still devalues it with the expectation of my need to be effective.

    It is clear that understanding such nuances, or even acknowledging them is not as important to you. I do not complain about my plight, I understand I have to and am playing the long game. But I don't do so blindly.
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    12-11-2019 09:28 AM
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    Those who have eyes to see will see, those who have ears will hear.
    The son hits more closely to what has been mentioned here over the past week, but still remains on point:

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    12-11-2019 09:30 AM
  16. Chuck Finley69's Avatar
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_work

    That's my profession. It is clear you aren't very familiar with it at all. I work, and share commentary and information on this thread from the following lens:

    https://www.ucalgary.ca/sw/ramsay/PI...nvironment.htm

    It can be used on a micro (individual), meso (group) and or macro (societal, organizational) levels.

    While your intent may be in the "right place", good intentions without understanding the context in which a situation operates have often and will continue to lead to negative consequences because of poor execution.

    The post you referenced was commentary I made based on me as an individual in this society with different layers of my identity that this society doesn't value. It also referenced me as a professional having to walk into environments that see those layers of my identity, still devalues it with the expectation of my need to be effective.

    It is clear that understanding such nuances, or even acknowledging them is not as important to you. I do not complain about my plight, I understand I have to and am playing the long game. But I don't do so blindly.
    My response isn’t one that speaks to a definitive or concrete situation attempting to be a solution for that or any other situation. My ideas don’t always separate but are sometimes just intertwined with the moment I’m typing and it’s distractions or not.

    My views and comments aren’t meant to be inclusive nor exclusive. The nuances can be lost on me but doesn’t change the fact that one shouldn’t keep quiet but to acknowledge each human being. I have no idea what’s going on in anyone’s life, nor should it matter. If my fellow human is hurting or not, sometimes acknowledgement is better than indifference.

    Your profession is 180 degrees opposite mine but is also the same as mine if and when I’m doing my profession ethically and morally.

    I'm nobody to anybody when I’m silent but could be somebody at that most crucial moment to my fellow man.

    This has been the largest forming part of my life but I graduated 32 years ago so I’m old.

    I try and live the underlying social norms and values that were formed there.

    https://www.jesuittampa.org/page.cfm?p=498

    Men For Others is the key theme.
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  17. raycpl's Avatar
    ... meanwhile... the sound of the lid being slammed...

    12-11-2019 11:07 AM
  18. libra89's Avatar
    ... meanwhile... the sound of the lid being slammed...

    [IMG=566x1007]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191211/b3218a67563d514192578aa207ca310b.jpg[/url]
    Wow. How do you feel about this update and what comes behind it?
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    12-11-2019 11:36 AM
  19. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    ... meanwhile... the sound of the lid being slammed...

    [IMG=566x1007]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191211/b3218a67563d514192578aa207ca310b.jpg[/url]
    Thanks for posting this. I should boot up the old 950 XL to see if there are updates for the branch it's on.
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    12-11-2019 01:28 PM
  20. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    Those in the know, understand the resistance. Those who don't, will continue to contribute to the problem/status quo by having this continually go over their heads:

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    12-11-2019 05:17 PM
  21. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    Anxiety and depression are the scourge contemporary society. Manageable ills, but ills nonetheless.
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    12-11-2019 05:40 PM
  22. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    Every time I pick up the 950XL I think of the Nokia 9. Both were onto something, and both went nowhere.
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    12-11-2019 09:47 PM
  23. libra89's Avatar
    Every time I pick up the 950XL I think of the Nokia 9. Both were onto something, and both went nowhere.
    Dang.
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    12-11-2019 11:16 PM
  24. raycpl's Avatar
    Every time I pick up the 950XL I think of the Nokia 9. Both were onto something, and both went nowhere.
    I hardly use my 950XL, it's mainly hooked on to JBL for music and MyTube..
    The Nokia9 remains a poorly executed good idea..
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    12-11-2019 11:21 PM
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    I hardly use my 950XL, it's mainly hooked on to JBL for music and MyTube..
    The Nokia9 remains a poorly executed good idea..
    I really was thinking of the Nokia N9 when I wrote this, but I do feel like the Nokia 9 and 950 were poorly executed good ideas.
    12-11-2019 11:56 PM
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