1. BIGPADDY's Avatar
    The forums an addictive place.
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    01-20-2014 08:50 AM
  2. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    The south...



    Not sure about the 'keeps people honest' thing. Without going into excessive detail what does that mean? I know about the no work/no help thing. I understand that to some extent but nothing is that black and white. That's what bugs me about that kind of thinking.
    I can send you the title of the main book I used in my policy class that is a nice explanatory read as to why the thinking is what it is, and how it affects people like me who want to make a difference. I can also send you my powerpoint on some of the existing policies here to see why they treat the poor as they do. I posted a video on peonage here in the thread in October of last year that is worth watching (I can repost if you want to) - even Sahib got stuff out of it when he watched it.

    The short version is the US south is how it is because it has always been that way, and they cannot and won't "fix" it. A good parallel is northern Italy vs southern Italy, in some areas.

    Oh, the system keeps you honest aright in the following perspective: if you don't work incredibly hard for long hours or come up with the means to get what you need to survive, you will starve. It is a system of leverage and leverage the labor of others.
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    01-20-2014 08:51 AM
  3. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    I can send you the title of the main book I used in my policy class that is a nice explanatory read as to why the thinking is what it is, and how it affects people like me who want to make a difference. I can also send you my powerpoint on some of the existing policies here to see why they treat the poor as they do. I posted a video on peonage here in the thread in October of last year that is worth watching (I can repost if you want to) - even Sahib got stuff out of it when he watched it.
    The powerpoint and video would be good. Not sure I can find it on this thread!

    I have some ideas as to why things are the way they are in the US. In some ways I get it, in some ways I find it thoroughly sad. A lot of that has to do with my upbringing. In a very real way I am glad I wasn't born in the USA. I was born close enough to appreciate what I had. :)
    01-20-2014 08:56 AM
  4. stmav's Avatar
    It must be Monday. Come in to find more android talk and USA bashing.
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    01-20-2014 09:08 AM
  5. greedypnguin's Avatar
    Murica, **** yea!
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    01-20-2014 09:42 AM
  6. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    It must be Monday. Come in to find more android talk and USA bashing.
    Not really bashing, just speaking from an outsider perspective.
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    01-20-2014 09:48 AM
  7. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    The powerpoint and video would be good. Not sure I can find it on this thread!

    I have some ideas as to why things are the way they are in the US. In some ways I get it, in some ways I find it thoroughly sad. A lot of that has to do with my upbringing. In a very real way I am glad I wasn't born in the USA. I was born close enough to appreciate what I had. :)
    I'll send out the stuff for you to look at in a little while, once the food is cooking.
    01-20-2014 09:55 AM
  8. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    It must be Monday. Come in to find more android talk and USA bashing.
    Every civilization with Western European roots since the Greeks have been bashed, so what we're doing is par the course. You should take it as a compliment...
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    01-20-2014 09:57 AM
  9. stmav's Avatar
    Not really bashing, just speaking from an outsider perspective.
    It's ok, I'm from the south, I'm used to it.
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    01-20-2014 09:59 AM
  10. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    Murica, **** yea!
    Lol. It is a shame that America's most endearing quality and fatal flaw is the same thing - the ideas that the country is founded on have different meanings and fit differently for everyone. That's why the views of here are so diverse, which can be good and bad because all views are present.
    01-20-2014 10:00 AM
  11. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    Every civilization with Western European roots since the Greeks have been bashed, so what we're doing is par the course. You should take it as a compliment...
    Being critical of ones own place is usually a good way to bring about change. To think things are perfect and wonderful is a way to ruin. I'm not saying people internally don't criticize the US, however, some do it for their own purposes rather than the good of the country and people who reside in it.
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    01-20-2014 10:00 AM
  12. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    Did the same however took the back one off by mistake thinking it was a normal screen protector.
    I saw that a ton in the reviews, so I knew not to fall for that one...
    01-20-2014 10:00 AM
  13. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    Lol. It is a shame that America's most endearing quality and fatal flaw is the same thing - the ideas that the country is founded on have different meanings and fit differently for everyone. That's why the views of here are so diverse, which can be good and bad because all views are present.
    I didn't get the reference... ?
    01-20-2014 10:01 AM
  14. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    Being critical of ones own place is usually a good way to bring about change. To think things are perfect and wonderful is a way to ruin. I'm not saying people internally don't criticize the US, however, some do it for their own purposes rather than the good of the country and people who reside in it.
    Some do so because it is valid in some of their points...for example, if people still don't think that US policy isn't still guided at least in sprit by the Monroe Doctrine and Manifest Destiny, then I have the Sydney Opera House to sell you...
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    01-20-2014 10:03 AM
  15. BIGPADDY's Avatar
    I have 64% battery left finishing work that great that Snapdragon 800 SoC is very power efficient.
    01-20-2014 10:07 AM
  16. BIGPADDY's Avatar
    More windows phone with snapdragon 800 SoC are needed.
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    01-20-2014 10:09 AM
  17. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    I didn't get the reference... ?
    Simple. This country was founded on liberty, freedom and equality. But when the country was founded, slaves were considered to be 3/5s of a person - and had no vote, women had no rights either, and the Native Americans were getting killed off, so they had no rights either. So their experience of "America" is different.

    So what the "American Dream" means to a minority, a woman, a LBGTQ, a Native American/First Nation and a white male of European descent are very different, based on what parts of their identity that they choose to self identify with. That has its historical roots into how the country was founded and still shapes much of life in many areas of the US today.

    That's the short version of the reference.
    01-20-2014 10:10 AM
  18. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    Well, I'm gonna go finish cooking. When things are further along, I will,return. Sorry if I got political, but there are still too many people who live in the US who really have no clue of the country's full history (I'm not saying I know it all, I just have a good start point) and that lack of understanding is what allows the real,movers and shakers - Govt and the rich elite - to get away with alot of things, including taking advantage of the poor, immigrants and minorities to this day. That's all (drops MIC).
    01-20-2014 10:18 AM
  19. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    Simple. This country was founded on liberty, freedom and equality. But when the country was founded, slaves were considered to be 3/5s of a person - and had no vote, women had no rights either, and the Native Americans were getting killed off, so they had no rights either. So their experience of "America" is different.

    So what the "American Dream" means to a minority, a woman, a LBGTQ, a Native American/First Nation and a white male of European descent are very different, based on what parts of their identity that they choose to self identify with. That has its historical roots into how the country was founded and still shapes much of life in many areas of the US today.

    That's the short version of the reference.
    That's good to know. However I was referring to the initial reference that greedypenguin made.

    I know the fallacy of the American dream. In Australia they had the 'Australian Dream', which is just as much as a joke as the American one. You would be surprised how much the American mentality is reflected in Australia. I think it must come from extended periods of prosperity or should I say, perceived periods of prosperity.
    01-20-2014 10:18 AM
  20. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    Well, I'm gonna go finish cooking. When things are further along, I will,return. Sorry if I got political, but there are still too many people who live in the US who really have no clue of the country's full history (I'm not saying I know it all, I just have a good start point) and that lack of understanding is what allows the real,movers and shakers - Govt and the rich elite - to get away with alot of things, including taking advantage of the poor, immigrants and minorities to this day. That's all (drops MIC).
    You need a 'speakers corner' like we have here in Hyde Park London. :)
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    01-20-2014 10:19 AM
  21. Chregu's Avatar
    I had a busy day today, I have no idea what is going on in this thread.

    Well, I'll just finish some notes in my lab-book, then I'm off towards dinner.
    01-20-2014 11:29 AM
  22. BIGPADDY's Avatar
    @):-
    01-20-2014 11:40 AM
  23. sahib lopez's Avatar
    In those days we used to call them 'sell outs' but today, most people would see it as a smart business decision. They realised they would never make enough money being a punk band so changed their musical genre to more commercial.

    Funny how we thought of things back then. Thing is, I am quite disappointed by most music these days. There are some new groups here and there that buck the commercialisation trend, not many though. That's the reason why I was never into pop music when I was a teen. I just couldn't get behind the same sounding music all the time. I've learned to relax that attitude some but I still find 'new' pop music rather boring. It's the reason why I have difficulty with country and rap. It all starts to sound the same to me.
    you need to listin to illy :3 and a tribe called quest and hilltop hoods :3
    01-20-2014 11:47 AM
  24. sahib lopez's Avatar
    I agree with you. I do not listen to any commercial FM radio, since it is all so bland and repetitive.
    * cough* JB * cough*
    01-20-2014 11:49 AM
  25. sahib lopez's Avatar
    It a Monday!!!
    its milk day! hurray for milk day
    01-20-2014 11:50 AM
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