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  1. Paul Verizzo's Avatar
    A proposal has been put set that would raise your cell phone bill about $5 a year. They claim the money would go toward bringing broadband internet access to schools.

    Once again, instead of learning how to budget, more taxes becomes the answer.
    WOW! Five WHOLE dollars a year! The nerve!

    Do you know how we got phones into every home including rural America? Hint: It didn't happen out of the generosity of corporations. Universal Telephone Service was one of the great successes of the New Deal. But historically illiterates think that every good thing that happened had nothing to do with good governmental policies or taxes.

    Your avatar is perfect.
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    08-16-2013 12:34 PM
  2. Kevin Rush's Avatar
    Tell that to Bill and Melinda Gates.
    Regarding the selfishness of the rich, and the selfishness of the rich wannabes, this is your response to contribute to the conversation?

    Certainly, I would not include Bill and Melinda Gates. I applaud and appreciate their contributions to society and humanity as whole.
    08-16-2013 08:41 PM
  3. falconrap's Avatar
    Are you saying a lack of funds isn't an issue in education, but the distribution of these funds?
    Let me give a real world example of what I am talking about, as I have a child in elementary in FL right now. Typically, elementary schools now have several (think 5-7 depending on the school size) administrators aiding the Principle, each teacher generally has an assistant, there are now specialty teachers for things like music and science, and now they have guidance counselors and a school nutritionist. They also have several custodians, and the typical cafeteria cooks/servers and librarians. When I went to elementary (mid-late 70's) we had a single teacher for all of our subjects without any assistants, a Principle with a secretary and an administrative assistant, one janitor, 2 librarians, 3 cafeteria cooks/servers and no guidance counselors. The extra unneeded staff's pay and benefits is likely in the $1500 per student range.

    My son's school has ~500 students and 35-36 full time teachers due to school size amendments. That's around 15 kids per teacher where, in my day, it was more around 20. The schools are also trying to constantly do things like implement new teaching "paradigms," constantly re-inventing the wheel, resulting in results that aren't as good as 40 years ago (oh...but there studies say they'rrrreee Greeeaaaat!). It's a mess. Federal intervention has helped some lower tier schools over the years, but it does far more damage than helps. The DOE's 2013 costs for employees alone was $178B, with a B for billion. Or roughly $2500/student under 18. Why do we need the federal government to control the flow of funds back to the states for education beyond simply having congress divvy up the funds based on population and need?

    So, in other words, there's plenty of money being flushed down the bureaucratic drain to more than make up. And we certainly don't need the federal government dictating WiFi n schools, anymore than we need them to dictate the menu (something that has gone terribly wrong the last few years with the new "healthy portion/food type" menus that the Feds demanded schools implement if they wanted federal funds). Adding a tax, even a tiny $5 per cellular subscriber per year, isn't necessary and is beyond the purview of what the federal governments actual job is.

    Sigh. We're screwed.
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    08-16-2013 11:32 PM
  4. Paul Verizzo's Avatar
    Falconrap, apples and oranges. Two very diferent topics. Straw man argument. Etc.

    Without even looking it up, I would bet a nickel that Obama and his administration are not the originators of this tax. If it even exists. It's probably from Congress. But, you know, to the politically illiterate (read: school failure and too much Rush), there's no difference between Obama and the Congress.

    In terms of top heavy educational systems, I agree. Speaking as an ex-teacher and son of a teacher.

    "Your normal cell phone program will resume."
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    08-17-2013 08:09 AM
  5. Paul Verizzo's Avatar
    Falconrap, apples and oranges. Two very diferent topics. Straw man argument. Etc.

    Without even looking it up, I would bet a nickel that Obama and his administration are not the originators of this tax. If it even exists. It's probably from Congress. But, you know, to the politically illiterate (read: school failure and too much Rush), there's no difference between Obama and the Congress.

    In terms of top heavy educational systems, I agree. Speaking as an ex-teacher and son of a teacher.

    "Your normal cell phone program will resume."
    Oops. I meant Rush Limbaugh, not poster Kevin Rush! What a coincidence!
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    08-17-2013 08:11 AM
  6. TheTXMarshal's Avatar
    Falconrap, apples and oranges. Two very diferent topics. Straw man argument. Etc.

    Without even looking it up, I would bet a nickel that Obama and his administration are not the originators of this tax. If it even exists. It's probably from Congress. But, you know, to the politically illiterate (read: school failure and too much Rush), there's no difference between Obama and the Congress.

    In terms of top heavy educational systems, I agree. Speaking as an ex-teacher and son of a teacher.

    "Your normal cell phone program will resume."
    http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/defa...fact_sheet.pdf

    This was implemented by President Obama alone, in his direction to the FCC.
    Maybe you should have spent some time looking that up, Paul.
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    08-17-2013 08:38 AM
  7. falconrap's Avatar
    Falconrap, apples and oranges. Two very diferent topics. Straw man argument. Etc.

    Without even looking it up, I would bet a nickel that Obama and his administration are not the originators of this tax. If it even exists. It's probably from Congress. But, you know, to the politically illiterate (read: school failure and too much Rush), there's no difference between Obama and the Congress.

    In terms of top heavy educational systems, I agree. Speaking as an ex-teacher and son of a teacher.

    "Your normal cell phone program will resume."
    In terms of your last statement, I'm glad we both agree. But your other statements are interesting as you assume people who believe this comes from Obama and people who listen to Rush Limbaugh, are all illiterate. Pretty broad brush to be slinging around. This story is multiple sourced and Obama called for this tax during a recorded speech. The President floated the idea of regulating it throughout the FCC and a couple of Republicans on the House Energy and Commerce Committee went on the record slamming it. Sounds to me like Obama is pushing for this. Whether or not some congressional critters pushed for the tax or not is kind of irrelevant to the apparent desire to get around congress again.
    08-17-2013 08:44 AM
  8. NTUser's Avatar
    pls no
    08-17-2013 01:23 PM
  9. Paul Verizzo's Avatar
    I was wrong. Not enough desire to find out. Sorry, but as you can see, I have no trouble admitting error.

    My comment about "historically illiterate" was referring to not knowing history. Little is taught these days, and a lot of what people "know" comes from highly opinionated, untruthful sources. I.e., lies. In the particular example cited, how we got telephones into almost every home in America. It was mostly funded by charging much higher rates for businesses, thus paying for residential services. Similarly, my father in law grew up on a farm in Michigan in the 1920's. No electricity, lighting was by an acetylene system in the basement. How did that farm get electricity? You got it, federal policies and taxes.
    08-17-2013 07:55 PM
  10. bawboh86's Avatar
    Regarding the selfishness of the rich, and the selfishness of the rich wannabes, this is your response to contribute to the conversation?

    Certainly, I would not include Bill and Melinda Gates. I applaud and appreciate their contributions to society and humanity as whole.
    Then you can't make a generalized statement that all rich are selfish. When you turn around and applaud one of THE richest families in the world for NOT being selfish, you demean your own argument.
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    08-17-2013 09:12 PM
  11. mase123987's Avatar
    I think one thing most people are missing here: a lot of you are assuming that the money will be put toward installing broadband lines. Many times money has been promised toward one thing and shifted toward something else.
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    08-17-2013 09:25 PM
  12. ajst222's Avatar
    I think one thing most people are missing here: a lot of you are assuming that the money will be put toward installing broadband lines. Many times money has been promised toward one thing and shifted toward something else.
    While I'm sure what you said is the case, it's not like public schools need more funding in the first place. The excuse that everyone throws around "schools have no money" is complete bull. It's not that they don't have enough money, it's that they don't know how to manage the money.
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    08-17-2013 09:40 PM
  13. mase123987's Avatar
    While I'm sure what you said is the case, it's not like public schools need more funding in the first place. The excuse that everyone throws around "schools have no money" is complete bull. It's not that they don't have enough money, it's that they don't know how to manage the money.
    I agree, and isn't just a problem when it comes to school. Funding is always about how to raise more, not spend smarter.
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    08-18-2013 06:16 AM
  14. ajst222's Avatar
    I agree, and isn't just a problem when it comes to school. Funding is always about how to raise more, not spend smarter.
    Completely right. The Federal Government and current administration just thinks that if they throw enough money at the problem, it will fix itself. But all it takes is a little bit of common sense to take a look at the budget and what we are funding and realize that there are plenty of ways we can cut or spend more wisely.
    08-18-2013 03:27 PM
  15. mase123987's Avatar
    Completely right. The Federal Government and current administration just thinks that if they throw enough money at the problem, it will fix itself. But all it takes is a little bit of common sense to take a look at the budget and what we are funding and realize that there are plenty of ways we can cut or spend more wisely.
    Let's remember it is both parties doing the same thing, just usually on different projects.
    08-18-2013 06:26 PM
  16. gazmatic's Avatar
    this is a non story

    $5 a year is literally less than 2c a day. 0.01369c to be exact

    you guys are crying about 2c a day that gives schools access to high speed internet??

    facepalm

    this world is muck
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    08-18-2013 06:47 PM
  17. Jumoke Bolanle's Avatar
    I say, let it happen. Though, I do believe that this is a useless endeavor being that most schools discourage using cell phones in the school
    08-18-2013 06:49 PM
  18. gazmatic's Avatar
    A proposal has been put set that would raise your cell phone bill about $5 a year. They claim the money would go toward bringing broadband internet access to schools.

    Once again, instead of learning how to budget, more taxes becomes the answer.
    that is 2cents a day

    2cents

    two cents a day

    two cents every 24 hour cycle

    TWO CENTS

    A DAY

    for free high speed internet access to public schools

    are you telling me that something that is not even pocket change is too much to provide school free internet?
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    08-18-2013 06:52 PM
  19. jonathan sink's Avatar
    that is 2cents a day

    2cents

    two cents a day

    two cents every 24 hour cycle

    TWO CENTS

    A DAY

    for free high speed internet access to public schools

    are you telling me that something that is not even pocket change is too much to provide school free internet?
    we spend more money on schools then any other nation in the world. Yet we are among the worse in education. Taxing working Americans to throw more money at a system that is failing is just foolish. Fix the damn system first then talk to me about raising my taxes some more!
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    08-18-2013 06:56 PM
  20. mase123987's Avatar
    that is 2cents a day

    2cents

    two cents a day

    two cents every 24 hour cycle

    TWO CENTS

    A DAY

    for free high speed internet access to public schools

    are you telling me that something that is not even pocket change is too much to provide school free internet?
    First, government (and companies) love to raise taxes/fees just a little bit every so often hoping people will say "It is just a little bit."

    Second, you are assuming that the money will actually get to where it is supposed to and not be wasted along the way.

    Third, you are assuming that the money can't come from another source already funding.

    Lastly, it isn't free internet. It is to build proper broadband lines to schools. The school districts still have to pay for the service.
    08-18-2013 06:56 PM
  21. falconrap's Avatar
    Two cents here, five cents there, a quarter or two on this and that...it all adds up. But that's not the point. The federal government doesn't need to be in doing things like this. If the local schools want this, then let them do it themselves. There are plenty of valid reasons why schools shouldn't't have WiFi anyways. This whole nonsense of the federal government doing all of these things is absurd, and it it takes them away from focusing on the things they need to be doing. Furthermore, when they dish out money for these systems, their usage will be dictated by federal guidelines, not what the local school deems appropriate. It's another way for the feds to gain control over things the schools do.
    08-18-2013 07:01 PM
  22. mase123987's Avatar
    we spend more money on schools then any other nation in the world. Yet we are among the worse in education. Taxing working Americans to throw more money at a system that is failing is just foolish. Fix the damn system first then talk to me about raising my taxes some more!
    Just want to this: I wouldn't believe any statistic that compares countries like this. People can make a statistic say anything. They also say that the US ranks low when it comes to newborn survival rates. What most stories don't say is that (for one example) plenty of countries don't count still borns in this statistic, while the US does.

    I am not going to say what is actually true or false, but statistics like these are VERY unreliable.
    08-18-2013 07:06 PM
  23. jonathan sink's Avatar
    Just want to this: I wouldn't believe any statistic that compares countries like this. People can make a statistic say anything. They also say that the US ranks low when it comes to newborn survival rates. What most stories don't say is that (for one example) plenty of countries don't count still borns in this statistic, while the US does.

    I am not going to say what is actually true or false, but statistics like these are VERY unreliable.
    while I do agree with what you wrote. To many data collection agencies come up with same results. Not to mention our educational system gives the same abysmal story and claim its due to lack of funding which is a lie. So you do speak the truth but even our own system says that were failing on the global level.

    On top of that the principal of the argument is the same we spend to much already to not get good results. So throwing more money at it want help anything when its the system itself that needs fixing.
    08-18-2013 07:14 PM
  24. mase123987's Avatar
    while I do agree with what you wrote. To many data collection agencies come up with same results. Not to mention our educational system gives the same abysmal story and claim its due to lack of funding which is a lie. So you do speak the truth but even our own system says that were failing on the global level.

    On top of that the principal of the argument is the same we spend to much already to not get good results. So throwing more money at it want help anything when its the system itself that needs fixing.
    Spending wasn't my issue with your comment. I just don't trust any educational statistic that compares countries. Any of them have holes you can drive semis through.

    ANYWAYS, the biggest education problem is the family unit not existing in a lot of situations. Having a mom and dad in the house that are active in their child's education makes the biggest difference. That is the most important difference between richer and poor communities when talking education.
    08-18-2013 07:22 PM
  25. jonathan sink's Avatar
    Spending wasn't my issue with your comment. I just don't trust any educational statistic that compares countries. Any of them have holes you can drive semis through.

    ANYWAYS, the biggest education problem is the family unit not existing in a lot of situations. Having a mom and dad in the house that are active in their child's education makes the biggest difference. That is the most important difference between richer and poor communities when talking education.
    I understand the lack of trust.

    Once again we find ourself in agreement on the problems plaguing the educational system. However I doubt this is the thread for such conversation, maybe even the wrong forum.
    08-18-2013 08:04 PM
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