10-23-2013 06:48 PM
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  1. ajst222's Avatar
    this is a non story

    $5 a year is literally less than 2c a day. 0.01369c to be exact

    you guys are crying about 2c a day that gives schools access to high speed internet??

    facepalm

    this world is muck
    Ugh...you don't get it. the real issue isn't that we can't afford to pay the $5. The issue is the fact that the government has the right or feels that it has the right to do so. "It's just a little bit!" they say to make us look past it. And as mace123987 has said before: don't expect the money to go where they say it is going.
    08-18-2013 08:33 PM
  2. Reflexx's Avatar
    People would be more accepting of taxes if the money was uses the way it was supposed to, and it was done so efficiently.

    Also, most of the time new Federal taxes are implemented, they don't go away. So adding $5 here, $10 there, etc... on a bunch of different bills every year adds up.

    And LOL about teachers being underpaid. Not in the US. Public school teachers are paid very respectably. A teacher with seniority is paid extremely generously. And retired teachers often have pretty dang hood pensions that take care of them for their entire lives after they've retired.

    That's part of the reason we spend so much money on education. We have to pay for so many retired teachers.
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    08-18-2013 08:44 PM
  3. christenmartin's Avatar
    Ugh...you don't get it. the real issue isn't that we can't afford to pay the $5. The issue is the fact that the government has the right or feels that it has the right to do so. "It's just a little bit!" they say to make us look past it. And as mace123987 has said before: don't expect the money to go where they say it is going.
    Exactly. Just because you have 5 dollars the government is entitle to it. That is the issue. Sad state. If you don't want to give your 5 dollars up with a smile your greedy. ????? Who is greedy in this situation? Some people are blind.
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    08-18-2013 08:48 PM
  4. ajst222's Avatar
    People would be more accepting of taxes if the money was uses the way it was supposed to, and it was done so efficiently.

    Also, most of the time new Federal taxes are implemented, they don't go away. So adding $5 here, $10 there, etc... on a bunch of different bills every year adds up.

    And LOL about teachers being underpaid. Not in the US. Public school teachers are paid very respectably. A teacher with seniority is paid extremely generously. And retired teachers often have pretty dang hood pensions that take care of them for their entire lives after they've retired.

    That's part of the reason we spend so much money on education. We have to pay for so many retired teachers.
    It makes me crack up when I hear people say things like "Oh well on a teachers salary...". Teachers get great pay! To make $50,000 a year with summers off? Seriously people, stop.
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    08-18-2013 09:03 PM
  5. Jazmac's Avatar
    Two cents is a good bit easier to handle than megabanks for their bad choices and spending billions in taxpayer dollars to "look for WMD", which is the entire reason this nation ended throwing 750 thousand people a month out of work. I'd pay the 2 cents any day of the week.
    08-18-2013 09:28 PM
  6. gazmatic's Avatar
    some people need to learn civics 101

    and this whole notion that the federal government needs to **** out, amazing since without federal funding there wouldnt be any internet or such a high number of domestic landlines

    and somebody said that schools dont need high speed internet... /smh

    it is that kind of caveman mentality that has america sinking in status worldwide

    in most developed countries access to high speed internet is a right

    and before you go on about taxes and spending please dont hold double standards

    why is it ok for the government to subsidize billion dollar companies that make record profit every year but it is a great sin to support the poor and needy

    i hope you are not religious because religions teach that the poor and needy should receive the most help, not the rich

    and again it is 2cents a day, not even two cents, just a little over 1

    america gives away billions of dollars in foreign aid supporting countries that hate it yet $5 is is the goverbment over reaching and pilfering your pockets

    when did you become so cynical

    i wished i had high speed internet when i was in school

    I HAD DIAL UP... I would gladly pay $5 a day if it meant that my children would receive free high speed internet

    /end of rant

    agree with me or not, this is hardly the most wasteful government endevour

    i can still remember two unpaid wars(one that everybody has forgotten about-afghanistan-it is still going on) and medicare part d

    all on a credit card
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    08-18-2013 11:31 PM
  7. spaulagain's Avatar
    in most developed countries access to high speed internet is a right
    Wow, just wow. A provided service is not a "right."

    Its people like you that pollute and devalue the term "right." A right is not something someone can provide you. You have the right to obtain internet connection. But the connection itself is not a "right."

    What happens when the service is terminated due to technology issues? Did technology just violate your right? Ridiculous.
    08-18-2013 11:44 PM
  8. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    Wow, just wow. A provided service is not a "right."

    Its people like you that pollute and devalue the term "right." A right is not something someone can provide you. You have the right to obtain internet connection. But the connection itself is not a "right."

    What happens when the service is terminated due to technology issues? Did technology just violate your right? Ridiculous.
    Well you may have that a bit wrong, either that or I'm reading this wrong.

    In Finland, for example, they have made high speed broadband a 'right' meaning that everyone in the country should be able to access high speed internet in the country. Yes you are correct that the person has to 'want' the service in the first place and will still pay for it, but you will have the right of a certain speed.

    BBC News - Finland makes broadband a 'legal right'
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    08-19-2013 02:17 AM
  9. jonathan sink's Avatar
    some people need to learn civics 101

    and this whole notion that the federal government needs to **** out, amazing since without federal funding there wouldnt be any internet or such a high number of domestic landlines

    and somebody said that schools dont need high speed internet... /smh

    it is that kind of caveman mentality that has america sinking in status worldwide

    in most developed countries access to high speed internet is a right

    and before you go on about taxes and spending please dont hold double standards

    why is it ok for the government to subsidize billion dollar companies that make record profit every year but it is a great sin to support the poor and needy

    i hope you are not religious because religions teach that the poor and needy should receive the most help, not the rich

    and again it is 2cents a day, not even two cents, just a little over 1

    america gives away billions of dollars in foreign aid supporting countries that hate it yet $5 is is the goverbment over reaching and pilfering your pockets

    when did you become so cynical

    i wished i had high speed internet when i was in school

    I HAD DIAL UP... I would gladly pay $5 a day if it meant that my children would receive free high speed internet

    /end of rant

    agree with me or not, this is hardly the most wasteful government endevour

    i can still remember two unpaid wars(one that everybody has forgotten about-afghanistan-it is still going on) and medicare part d

    all on a credit card
    first your kids kill never receive free internet. Nothing is free someone else will always be paying for it. That's what taxes do they forcefully take money from someone else to give to what they deem necessary. What that necessary is these days is usually nothing more then what will secure them votes in the next election. Hence the 17 trillion in debt and an inflation that will destroy us all if not fixed.

    your so right yet so wrong at the same time. America is sinking because of the government. You rant about all of the waste in the government, how much money they spend on thing that they should not. Yet your advocating for them to be spending in something you think is necessary. The federal government should not be spending 3\4 of what it does. It should be the way it started left in the hands of the individual states.
    08-19-2013 04:37 AM
  10. jonathan sink's Avatar
    Two cents is a good bit easier to handle than megabanks for their bad choices and spending billions in taxpayer dollars to "look for WMD", which is the entire reason this nation ended throwing 750 thousand people a month out of work. I'd pay the 2 cents any day of the week.
    yes and no, bailing out any industry is wrong should never ever be done. However you are completely misguided if you think the war in Iraq is what caused the economic situation were in. When in fact it had little to nothing to do with it.
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    08-19-2013 04:41 AM
  11. falconrap's Avatar
    Rights have historically been those things given to us by our Creator and not subject to the whims of legal documentation. Your right to speak freely, report to others what you see, to arm and defend yourself, to be secure in your person, et al. These are rights. High speed internet is not a right. A right must be something that affects you voluntarily. It can't be something where you force others into some level of servitude, whether it be monetary or through physical acts. Making high speed internet a "right" would mean forcing others to provide a service to you whether they choose to or not. It would also mean forcing others to pay for the availability of that service whether they choose to or not. When you are forcing others to provide something to for others, that doesn't fall under the category of "rights," it's under the purview of tyranny.

    Why are we, and European countries, in so much debt? By creating "rights" that don't exist and spending money on things that Governments don't need to be doing. Simple as that.
    08-19-2013 05:10 AM
  12. christenmartin's Avatar
    Rights have historically been those things given to us by our Creator and not subject to the whims of legal documentation. Your right to speak freely, report to others what you see, to arm and defend yourself, to be secure in your person, et al. These are rights. High speed internet is not a right. A right must be something that affects you voluntarily. It can't be something where you force others into some level of servitude, whether it be monetary or through physical acts. Making high speed internet a "right" would mean forcing others to provide a service to you whether they choose to or not. It would also mean forcing others to pay for the availability of that service whether they choose to or not. When you are forcing others to provide something to for others, that doesn't fall under the category of "rights," it's under the purview of tyranny.

    Why are we, and European countries, in so much debt? By creating "rights" that don't exist and spending money on things that Governments don't need to be doing. Simple as that.
    Exactly! Well put. Politician always represent the masses that can't speak for them selves and the always want free handouts that everybody with a job needs to chip in for. Problem there is NO RESPONSIBILITY IN GOVERNMENT. They tax 100 dollars and spend 200 and no one knows where the money goes just that we need more.
    08-19-2013 07:59 AM
  13. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    The libertarians and the right are out in force on this thread I see. Oh well. I'll just let this one go I'm not going to argue politics in an off topic area of a mobile phone OS forum.
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    08-19-2013 08:32 AM
  14. ajst222's Avatar
    The libertarians and the right are out in force on this thread I see. Oh well. I'll just let this one go I'm not going to argue politics in an off topic area of a mobile phone OS forum.
    Or maybe just people with common sense? Because that's all it takes. I am a Libertarian myself but I can't say for certain that everyone else is.
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    08-19-2013 08:48 AM
  15. spaulagain's Avatar
    Rights have historically been those things given to us by our Creator and not subject to the whims of legal documentation. Your right to speak freely, report to others what you see, to arm and defend yourself, to be secure in your person, et al. These are rights. High speed internet is not a right. A right must be something that affects you voluntarily. It can't be something where you force others into some level of servitude, whether it be monetary or through physical acts. Making high speed internet a "right" would mean forcing others to provide a service to you whether they choose to or not. It would also mean forcing others to pay for the availability of that service whether they choose to or not. When you are forcing others to provide something to for others, that doesn't fall under the category of "rights," it's under the purview of tyranny.

    Why are we, and European countries, in so much debt? By creating "rights" that don't exist and spending money on things that Governments don't need to be doing. Simple as that.
    Exactly!

    These countries that create "rights" based on services are the ones running themselves into the ground. The minute you guarantee a service (which requires people and money) as a right, you are obligated to provide it indefinitely.

    I don't care what political party you are in, guaranteeing internet service as a right is the dumbest thing ever.
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    08-19-2013 09:42 AM
  16. christenmartin's Avatar
    Or maybe just people with common sense? Because that's all it takes. I am a Libertarian myself but I can't say for certain that everyone else is.
    careful. Common sense has no place in a discussion regarding taxes. :-)
    08-19-2013 09:45 AM
  17. spaulagain's Avatar
    Well you may have that a bit wrong, either that or I'm reading this wrong.

    In Finland, for example, they have made high speed broadband a 'right' meaning that everyone in the country should be able to access high speed internet in the country. Yes you are correct that the person has to 'want' the service in the first place and will still pay for it, but you will have the right of a certain speed.

    BBC News - Finland makes broadband a 'legal right'
    Just because Finland's government is stupid enough to guarantee this service as some "right" doesn't make the act of doing so valid or sustainable.

    The right of a certain speed? So if a storm comes through and wipes out the service in an area, those citizens can accuse the government of violating their right?

    Seriously, this is just stupid.
    08-19-2013 09:46 AM
  18. christenmartin's Avatar
    Exactly!

    These countries that create "rights" based on services are the ones running themselves into the ground. The minute you guarantee a service (which requires people and money) as a right, you are obligated to provide it indefinitely.

    I don't care what political party you are in, guaranteeing internet service as a right is the dumbest thing ever.
    Ya it's just popularism. Vote for me and get free internet! But its not free you have to steal money from others and then it costs 10$ for this piece of equipment, through government everybody wants the cut so the piece of equipment now cost 100 dollars. Great if you are in government. This happens daily and no one is ever held accountable. In the US if gas goes up 5 cents congress is holding hearing on oil companies, when the government spends trillions and needs more. Crazy.
    08-19-2013 09:52 AM
  19. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    Or maybe just people with common sense? Because that's all it takes. I am a Libertarian myself but I can't say for certain that everyone else is.
    Tell you what, since you have such common sense, what is common sense? Your perspective? Do you really know what's going on? How informed are you? What experience do you have in dealing with the situations you seem to know so much about that it should be 'common sense'?

    Things are always more complex then then seem. People who think things are easy have usually always had it easy. Have you ever hear the term, 'try walking in my shoes'?

    Live in your little libertarian bubble all you want. I'll deal with reality. Thanks.
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    08-19-2013 10:04 AM
  20. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    Just because Finland's government is stupid enough to guarantee this service as some "right" doesn't make the act of doing so valid or sustainable.

    The right of a certain speed? So if a storm comes through and wipes out the service in an area, those citizens can accuse the government of violating their right?

    Seriously, this is just stupid.
    Um, your argument is nonsensical. What the 'right' to broadband has to do with is having a certain speed to everyone's home available. I'm assuming, logically since I haven't read the bill, because the Finnish government isn't stupid, that there are clauses for weather conditions and outages, etc.

    What the right is for is that everyone should have the same advantage as everyone else, regardless of where there live. Finland is semi-socialist in nature. There's nothing wrong with the idea.

    They also have the right to pick berries and mushrooms in the forest regardless if it's on someone's property as long as it's not on 'farmed' land. It's a refreshing idea. It may be hard for someone who may be from a culture where 'selfishness' is the key factor of life to understand.
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    08-19-2013 10:11 AM
  21. ajst222's Avatar
    Tell you what, since you have such common sense, what is common sense? Your perspective? Do you really know what's going on? How informed are you? What experience do you have in dealing with the situations you seem to know so much about that it should be 'common sense'?

    Things are always more complex then then seem. People who think things are easy have usually always had it easy. Have you ever hear the term, 'try walking in my shoes'?

    Live in your little libertarian bubble all you want. I'll deal with reality. Thanks.
    First of all, don't insult me. Don't just assume I've had it easy. Don't make judgments about my life. Second of all, don't make generalizations about Libertarians or any political ideology for that matter. I don't have any respect for people who say things like "I hate all Republicans" or "I will never vote Democrat". Making decisions based just on an ideology is a poor idea. It is an excuse for people to choose a side instead of actually learning about the issues.

    Your entire first paragraph makes no sense. It's so vague that I can't even answer any of those questions. Was that a poor attempt at creating rhetorical questions in order to make you seem like you know everything? And I'll let you elaborate on that "Libertarian bubble" you referred to. I could go on and say the same thing about a "socialist bubble" or a "communist bubble" but I won't because I am open minded. I don't squash and completely reject, dismiss, or insult something just because I don't agree.
    08-19-2013 11:11 AM
  22. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    You're right, I passes judgment when I shouldn't and I apologize. Also, no I don't know everything, just widely experienced.

    You're comment, just common sense, irritated me because it is simplistic. Nothing is simple when dealing with society.

    I can provide a whole list of things to me that I believe is common sense, doesn't mean anyone would agree with me.

    As for political ideologies, there are none that I agree with as they all make assumptions based on loose theories in social structures. Also most political parties don't even follow their own idealism anymore.
    08-19-2013 11:29 AM
  23. ajst222's Avatar
    You're right, I passes judgment when I shouldn't and I apologize. Also, no I don't know everything, just widely experienced.

    You're comment, just common sense, irritated me because it is simplistic. Nothing is simple when dealing with society.

    I can provide a whole list of things to me that I believe is common sense, doesn't mean anyone would agree with me.

    As for political ideologies, there are none that I agree with as they all make assumptions based on loose theories in social structures. Also most political parties don't even follow their own idealism anymore.
    First off, congratulations, you just reached 1,000 posts :) lol. But I agree about political ideologies. While I say that I am a Libertarian, I just say that because it best describes my viewpoints on issues. I don't/won't blindly support someone just based on their party. That is what bothers me the most. And yes, political parties definitely have strayed away from their roots.
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    08-19-2013 11:33 AM
  24. Reflexx's Avatar
    People like manufactured "rights" because it gives them something for nothing. And if it's a "right", they don't have to feel guilty about it. They don't feel like they are taking from others. (even though in the case of broadband they are)

    What really happened here is that government oppressed one group in order to earn favor with a larger group. It was a bribe.

    Unfortunately, these new "rights" end up being the exact opposite of what they claim. When your new rights require work from others, then you have just taken away some of their true rights and freedom. They are now forced to serve you.
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    08-19-2013 12:58 PM
  25. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    First off, congratulations, you just reached 1,000 posts :) lol. But I agree about political ideologies. While I say that I am a Libertarian, I just say that because it best describes my viewpoints on issues. I don't/won't blindly support someone just based on their party. That is what bothers me the most. And yes, political parties definitely have strayed away from their roots.
    Agreed. I just decide to not label myself at all. I just simply say, a little to the left. Though I wouldn't call myself left, center, right or liberal etc. I think ideas in all have merit but I find the extremes just that. The unfortunate part there is no simple solution and I don't find any of the political or social structures really suitable for our current situation. Every one of them is flawed. Also the extremes at the moment are the most vocal and tend to go out of their way to making things seem simple when they are not. If it was simple then it would have been fixed by now. Of course there are those in power that don't it fixed cause it suits them.
    08-19-2013 01:21 PM
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