10-29-2013 06:01 PM
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  1. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    What about the iPhone 5? It was old the day it launched, if we judge it from what you just said (?).
    What I mean is, no, they were not "all old the day they launched". My Lumia 925 runs anything I throw at it, doesn't get hot at all (just a bit in Halo SA) and the battery life has been perfect for me (with moderate to heavy usage).

    Also, you say they "were old when launched" but you're only referring to specs, I guess? I've seen Galaxy S4s (and etc) lag a lot with no apparent apps running in background and they had Snapdragon 800s - so, at the end of the day, what device is already old when it launches?
    1. The one that has a dual-core CPU but runs anything smoothly and there's no lag + some real innovations, like the Clearblack + gloves sensible, Glance screen, the Pureview optics, etc.
    2. The one with octa-dual-corium 2000 that lags + just some software gimmicks and an OS that becomes a mess (OEMs) + device is refreshed 3 times in a year and you stop getting updates for your just bought ex-flagship.


    *Imho*, the Lumia 920 and the Lumia 925 are not old, not yet. I have the 925 and it feels beast, premium, innovative and fresh. It not also feels, it is.
    No, we're talking about a totally-different story with Apple. Their stuff doesn't run Qualcomm chips. They have custom chips with what are apparently substantial GPU advantages (I don't know any cross-platform benchmarks off-hand). The Lumias carry the SAME chip as the May-launched Galaxy S III, which is my point. You can talk about the lag in Android all you want, but that is a software matter. The hardware might run everything NOW, but in most cases, people are buying these devices on 2-yea contracts. Are you confident that the 925 will be running everything well in late-2015? I'm certainly not.

    What's funny is how you continue to use Android's software to defend the idea of not updated the hardware now. You'd have a point if it was an either-or option here,l but as the 1520 shows us, both is 100% possible. We're not tlaking about a Snapdragon 600 with android OR a 920 with a Snapdragon S4, we're talking about NOT upgrading the phones to the Snapdragon 600/800 line by choice. The chips are there for the devices, so--again--we're not talking about an OS comparison.

    As for that silly "^this" comment, I put that theory to rest immediately. Like I said, annual updates and annual upgrades are not an Apple thing. It happens with Intel (Ivy Bridge to Hawell and Clover Trail to Bay Trail), Qualcomm (Snapdragon S4 to Snapdragon 600/800), Nvidia (Tegra 3 to Tegra 4), Microsoft (Windows 8/RT to Windows 8.1/RT 8.1 and Surface/Surface Pro to Surface 2/Surface Pro 2), Lenovo (Yoga to Yoga 2), AMD (Radeon 8000 to R7/R9), Samsung (Galaxy S III/Galaxy Note II to Galaxy S4/Galaxy Note 3), and the ENTIRE TECH INDUSTRY.

    You can quote some Apple bashing and act like it's fact, but you'll simply be wrong. Annual refreshes are commonplace and expected with technology. You can also it's fine to wait for a refresh, but that's coming from a person locked into a 925 regardless. For someone looking to buy a new device in the next couple of months (or longer, we don't know), that's not the case. If I walked into an AT&T store today, I'd walk out without a device because I'm not locking myself into a 2-year contract with a device that runs hardware launched about 18 months ago, especially if you have to pay an on-contract price with it.
    10-22-2013 12:32 PM
  2. flattie's Avatar
    I don't think we're likely to see a flagship refresh anytime before the MS acquisition. My rough guess would be that we'll see a 4-5" device launch with WP8.1, which itself will be post acquisition. Lumia 930 maybe? Still, the wait wouldn't bother me particularly; as others have said, while the guts of the 92x series may be a little dated, the performance is still generally stellar. I'll happily stick with my wonderful 925 for as long as it takes Nokia and MS to produce a suitable successor.

    In the mean time, ill be looking forward to getting my mits on a cyan 2520.
    10-22-2013 12:34 PM
  3. zinksilver's Avatar
    As for that silly "^this" comment, I put that theory to rest immediately.
    Erm, with "^this" I just meant that I agree with that person's post. And I do have a point. :)
    10-22-2013 12:41 PM
  4. iAdrian23's Avatar
    Too long didn't read ^

    What was missing: Nothing. Why? Because they must prepare for the wave of 8.1. I want a new 1020, if they don't release something like it I will just buy it!
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    10-22-2013 12:50 PM
  5. etad putta's Avatar
    8.1 hasn't been announced even yet, just GDR3 last week, so why would they give any information about updates to an unannounced product?
    Because that's how you get people to be excited about something. Maybe go the extra mile and give us something good that we weren't expecting.
    10-22-2013 01:55 PM
  6. Muessig's Avatar
    For me I'd love to have heard more information about the rumoured MP3 player!
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    10-22-2013 01:58 PM
  7. khatta's Avatar
    There was a lot missing. I am now baffled by the fact that apps and hardware is regularly announced by Nokia or MS and we usually don't see them for a few weeks or months. If for any, today's announcements by Apple were right on the spot what industry has achieved. Apple announced hardware and apps, and almost all of them are available Today !

    Nokia and MS just lost momentum by not being able to deliver quickly to the market that is on the bleeding edge. MS moves way too slow and it rightly concerns the industry that MS continue to play catch up even after more than 5 years of iPhone launch, when Apple and Google are already innovating at a very fast rate.

    Does Instagram and Flipboard really matter anymore ? Not really. The third party apps like 6Tag and Phonly have filled the spot very well and all the apps on the other platforms, that have been there for more than a year or two, are 'really' late to the MS platform. Aside from Apps, even the phone updates like GDR2,3 etc. has a huge gap between announcement and implementation. That is another big gap that MS continue to fail at.

    MS has been tightly squeezed in a corner by both Google and Apple. MS keeps making the same mistakes again and again. Looking at how things are going, I wonder if MS switched to the self destruct mode recently. They continue to look like a company from 1980's who isn't willing to rise to the challenge. Today's consumer has a lots if options and MS keep giving them more options, in favor of its competitors. The Surface looks like a good product, but point of matter is, why consumers are still drawn to small icon based UI's and not Metro tiles based UI ?

    MS is not that 'cool' company anymore that many now relate to with Apple and Google. Apple and Google are both making tons of money from the average consumer, when MS's big chunk of profit comes from enterprise.I guess that is where MS is focused, without realizing that they are also losing enterprise business !

    This new item sums it up today: Tim Cook On Windows 8 And Surface - Business Insider
    10-22-2013 01:58 PM
  8. bradm77's Avatar
    Sooo......... I guess if you're a 928 user like me on VZW who has been pining away for a nice big screen, the message from Nokia seems to be "GO BACK TO ANDROID"
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    10-22-2013 03:20 PM
  9. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    Too long didn't read ^

    What was missing: Nothing. Why? Because they must prepare for the wave of 8.1. I want a new 1020, if they don't release something like it I will just buy it!
    So you think that the entire smartphone market is made up of 6-inch devices and Asha? Because that's all that we got. As we see from the folks willing to get the newest devices each and every year, sitting on the 92x devices isn't enough.
    10-22-2013 03:22 PM
  10. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    Sooo......... I guess if you're a 928 user like me on VZW who has been pining away for a nice big screen, the message from Nokia seems to be "GO BACK TO ANDROID"
    The 929 is coming, we just don't know when.
    10-22-2013 03:22 PM
  11. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    Erm, with "^this" I just meant that I agree with that person's post. And I do have a point. :)
    Yeah, it means you agree with his point, and his point was that Microsoft isn't Apple, which is a bad comparison, because what he claims as "being Apple" is actually the norm in the tech industry (except with consoles, I guess). Annual upgrades and updates are not an "Apple" thing.
    10-22-2013 03:24 PM
  12. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    I don't think we're likely to see a flagship refresh anytime before the MS acquisition. My rough guess would be that we'll see a 4-5" device launch with WP8.1, which itself will be post acquisition. Lumia 930 maybe? Still, the wait wouldn't bother me particularly; as others have said, while the guts of the 92x series may be a little dated, the performance is still generally stellar. I'll happily stick with my wonderful 925 for as long as it takes Nokia and MS to produce a suitable successor.

    In the mean time, ill be looking forward to getting my mits on a cyan 2520.
    See, I don't see any way that flies. The acquisition hasn't even been voted on, and won't be until next year. I'd imagine that the sale isn't completed until the summer or fall of 2014, and the idea that you're going to take an ecosystem that already lags behind and pair it with hardware that lacks behind screams "Blackberry" to me. despite improvements involving apps, you'd still be asking people to sign up for an ecosystem with legitimate software holes, and you'd ask them to sign up for 2 years of dated hardware as well.
    10-22-2013 03:26 PM
  13. bradm77's Avatar
    The 929 is coming, we just don't know when.
    Actually, we don't know WHEN, we don't know IF, and on top of that, we have no idea what screen size we might get IF the thing actually exists! On the other hand, The Note 3 is already out on VZW. How is Nokia supposed to compete when they lag months and months behind Android manufacturers on pretty much EVERYTHING?
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    10-22-2013 03:26 PM
  14. Indistinguishable's Avatar
    Actually, we don't know WHEN, we don't know IF, and on top of that, we have no idea what screen size we might get IF the thing actually exists! On the other hand, The Note 3 is already out on VZW. How is Nokia supposed to compete when they lag months and months behind Android manufacturers on pretty much EVERYTHING?
    We don't know when. Rubino said it'd have to wait until Q1 of 2014 just yesterday. We've seen the phone, we've even seen press images of it with Verizon branding. Its out there. We just don't know when it's coming. As far as we know - it could be March or April.
    10-22-2013 03:29 PM
  15. bradm77's Avatar
    We don't know when. Rubino said it'd have to wait until Q1 of 2014 just yesterday. We've seen the phone, we've even seen press images of it with Verizon branding. Its out there. We just don't know when it's coming. As far as we know - it could be March or April.
    Exactly. Months and Months behind Samsung, HTC, Moto, etc. So I can wait and wait and wait or I could go get a Note 3 TODAY. I really do love the WP experience. I have no regrets about ditching my Galaxy S3 for the 928, but the screen is just too darn small. I am locked into Verizon, so AT&T isn't an option. I guess I should blame myself for thinking that this huge "Event" was going to have something, ANYTHING, for us Verizon customers.
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    10-22-2013 03:36 PM
  16. Indistinguishable's Avatar
    Exactly. Months and Months behind Samsung, HTC, Moto, etc. So I can wait and wait and wait or I could go get a Note 3 TODAY. I really do love the WP experience. I have no regrets about ditching my Galaxy S3 for the 928, but the screen is just too darn small. I am locked into Verizon, so AT&T isn't an option. I guess I should blame myself for thinking that this huge "Event" was going to have something, ANYTHING, for us Verizon customers.
    I didn't expect anything on the 929 at the event. But I also didn't expect to find out that the rumored third week of November release date that The Verge, WPC, and @Evleaks all stated is BS. That's what gets me. This phone is out there and it exists. I've heard that it's still undergoing carrier testing with Verizon. Just get it out in 2013 and I'll be happy.
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    10-22-2013 03:48 PM
  17. Lloyydd's Avatar
    Missing for me:
    -A 1020 with an 800 snapdragon processor and 1080p.
    You really thought about that? I dont get it
    10-24-2013 06:51 AM
  18. chezm's Avatar
    I know a few friends who are iPhone/Android users with their upgrade coming were looking forward to the next 92x that would launch with 8.1. They were disappointed and now reconsidering something else...too bad.
    10-24-2013 06:57 AM
  19. Chris_Kez's Avatar
    I know a few friends who are iPhone/Android users with their upgrade coming were looking forward to the next 92x that would launch with 8.1. They were disappointed and now reconsidering something else...too bad.
    But... WP8.1 (aka Blue) hasn't launched yet. It's not expected until Spring 2014.
    10-24-2013 09:19 PM
  20. chezm's Avatar
    But... WP8.1 (aka Blue) hasn't launched yet. It's not expected until Spring 2014.
    right...i guess since we know its on the way they expected a preview or potential of what the devices may look like.
    10-24-2013 09:28 PM
  21. Indistinguishable's Avatar
    But... WP8.1 (aka Blue) hasn't launched yet. It's not expected until Spring 2014.
    I guess i'm confused as to what 8.1 would bring to the table that would really change the hardware situation.
    10-24-2013 11:06 PM
  22. chezm's Avatar
    I guess i'm confused as to what 8.1 would bring to the table that would really change the hardware situation.
    agreed, nothing was confirmed and there's no reason to believe hw would change. But we can expect something different in a successor, especially here in Canada where our Lumia options are very limited.
    10-25-2013 03:37 PM
  23. Chris_Kez's Avatar
    Off the top of my head I can't think of any particular 8.1 changes that will directly translate into a new hardware feature (the way GDR3 brought us 1080p and larger screens). That said, I absolutely expect new hardware to accompany the 8.1 release- and the 92x series would be a logical candidate given since the 920 will be approaching 18 months of age.

    But who knows? Maybe there's no 920 successor coming until holiday 2013. Maybe the acquisition by MS will create a hiccup. Maybe they'll wait until they can create a cross-carrier flagship world-phone.
    10-27-2013 06:21 AM
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