11-29-2013 11:26 AM
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  1. Jas00555's Avatar
    I don't think either that the Chromebook is a laptop. Away from the dictionary a laptop for most of people is light version of a desktop computer (PC, MAC). So we go to what's a computer? It's a device which was designed for processing information and make some tasks easier but with that definition almost everything would qualify as a computer so we have to add that it's made for actually heavy information processing(Photoshop, Vegas pro, enormous games and other kind of heavy software) which couldn't be addressed with an iPad for example. Then laptops have that processing power and are not internet dependent so I would conclude that the chromebook is a tablet or whatever with a shell form-factor but never a laptop.
    1) yes, if it does that, its a computer, what's so difficult about that? A smartphone is a computer, a tablet is a computer, a laptop is a computer, a desktop is a computer, hell, even my Xbox is a computer. They're all just different form factors built for different purposes, what's so difficult about that?

    2) there are windows-powered laptops with terrible specs that can't handle heavy information processing, so I guess those aren't laptops either, right?
    11-27-2013 08:07 PM
  2. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    I'd expect a "real" computer to be capable of running programs offline. I wouldn't call something a "real" computer if it requires an Internet connection to perform almost any task.
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    11-27-2013 08:20 PM
  3. Jas00555's Avatar
    I'd expect a "real" computer to be capable of running programs offline. I wouldn't call something a "real" computer if it requires an Internet connection to perform almost any task.
    so if the PS4 or Xbox One shipped with a requirement to be connected online, would that make it not a "real"gaming console? Are Sim City and Diablo 3 not "real" games because they require the internet?
    11-27-2013 08:27 PM
  4. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    so if the PS4 or Xbox One shipped with a requirement to be connected online, would that make it not a "real"gaming console? Are Sim City and Diablo 3 not "real" games because they require the internet?
    I'm not even going to bother answering that one. I know nothing about gaming consoles. The only one I've ever owned was an Atari 2600 35 years ago.
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    11-27-2013 08:39 PM
  5. christenmartin's Avatar
    I'm not even going to bother answering that one. I know nothing about gaming consoles. The only one I've ever owned was an Atari 2600 35 years ago.
    I'm feelin' ya dog. I was rockin' the 2600 back in the day. Haha Last game console I owned too.
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    11-27-2013 08:49 PM
  6. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    If one wants to go "old-school" a computer does not even have to be a machine. Prior to the 1940s, "computers" were people who did calculations. computer: definition of computer in Oxford dictionary (British & World English)
    11-27-2013 08:50 PM
  7. Microsoftjunkie's Avatar
    so a Windows-powered PC with a terrible processor and not that much RAM is a laptop?]

    - I should've been more clear Rt=tablet
    Pro=Pc (traditional sense)




    What you expect from a computer and what it actually is are two different things.

    Imo MS popularized the desktop and laptop and no one should have ever resembled them. When a laptop, which is directly associated as a PC doesn't do PC things, its not a PC.
    What applications can you install on the hard drive? Any relevant ones that aren't tied to Google?

    I could say that I expect a smartphone to have a notification center, but Windows Phone doesn't have a good notification center, therefore even though it looks like a smartphone, acts like a smartphone, and follows the definition of a smartphone, Windows Phones aren't smartphones.
    Even your own logic failed. "I expect a smartphone to have a notification center", you then say windows phone doesn't have a "good one". Which one is it? So you were trying to say a smartphone needs a notification center, so windows phone is since it has one, but not as good. Am I right, or do you want to rephrase?
    11-27-2013 08:54 PM
  8. fatclue_98's Avatar
    If you had 4 wheels, an engine, and could get people from point A to point B, then yes, you would be a car, regardless of where you were.

    That also raises another great analogy. If my car only drives 30mph, when I expect it to be able to use the interstate because most cars can, does that mean its not a car?
    You just feel like arguing today don't you. So because you're disagreeing with every member here I guess that makes you not a person? Go out! Get laid or something.
    11-27-2013 08:55 PM
  9. xratola's Avatar
    1) yes, if it does that, its a computer, what's so difficult about that? A smartphone is a computer, a tablet is a computer, a laptop is a computer, a desktop is a computer, hell, even my Xbox is a computer. They're all just different form factors built for different purposes, what's so difficult about that?

    2) there are windows-powered laptops with terrible specs that can't handle heavy information processing, so I guess those aren't laptops either, right?
    But at the time those computers were built they could handle that information. And the rest are netbooks which are basically heavier and old/school tablets.
    The chromebook as said above is like a browser with hardware. And lacks of something very important you can't develop apps on native code and no html 5 apps (which are the ones on the chrome play store) are not native code.
    11-27-2013 09:05 PM
  10. xratola's Avatar
    You just feel like arguing today don't you. So because you're disagreeing with every member here I guess that makes you not a person? Go out! Get laid or something.
    But bro your argument was totally off topic, you should've thought it a little bit more :P
    11-27-2013 09:07 PM
  11. Jas00555's Avatar
    Even your own logic failed. "I expect a smartphone to have a notification center", you then say windows phone doesn't have a "good one". Which one is it? So you were trying to say a smartphone needs a notification center, so windows phone is since it has one, but not as good. Am I right, or do you want to rephrase?
    fine, then plug in "I expect a smartphone to have a good notification center". Either way, what you want from a laptop and what a laptop is are different.
    11-27-2013 09:52 PM
  12. CopaCC's Avatar
    My Chromebook does everything I need it to. I actually bought it to replace my Android tablet which didn't do everything I needed.

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    11-27-2013 10:07 PM
  13. Ed Boland's Avatar
    I'm feelin' ya dog. I was rockin' the 2600 back in the day. Haha Last game console I owned too.
    lol you called Laura "dog"...?

    Same Atari 2600 here btw!
    11-27-2013 10:13 PM
  14. iamtim's Avatar
    What you expect from a computer and what it actually is are two different things.
    That's pretty much what I said earlier and you argued the point. Now you're saying it yourself.

    If you had 4 wheels, an engine, and could get people from point A to point B, then yes, you would be a car
    Unless you were a truck.
    11-27-2013 10:53 PM
  15. thed's Avatar
    Agreed. When you turn it on, it connects to the web, nothing else correct? I think you will find that the majority of consumers, regular people, will expect a laptop, either Windows-based or a Mac, in which other software programs can run. Otherwise, it's just an internet-connected.....tablet.
    I'd expect a "real" computer to be capable of running programs offline. I wouldn't call something a "real" computer if it requires an Internet connection to perform almost any task.
    I don't actually own a chromebook, but according to this page there's actually quite a bit that you can do with a chromebook when you're offline.

    https://support.google.com/chromeboo.../3214688?hl=en
    11-27-2013 11:59 PM
  16. Jas00555's Avatar
    That's pretty much what I said earlier and you argued the point. Now you're saying it yourself.



    Unless you were a truck.
    not sure what you mean by that, I said that you wouldn't say a Z10 isn't a smartphone because it doesn't have the app/feature/etc... you want, but its still a smartphone. What you would hypothetically expect and what it actually is are different. I don't have any idea what you're talking about, I've kept on point this entire time.
    11-28-2013 12:31 AM
  17. Jas00555's Avatar
    You just feel like arguing today don't you. So because you're disagreeing with every member here I guess that makes you not a person? Go out! Get laid or something.
    really? THAT is your comeback??
    11-28-2013 12:33 AM
  18. Si Haworth's Avatar
    When Chrome OS and Android inevitably merge (they're now headed up by the same person), I think it'll be quite a powerful proposition.

    An Android/Chrome OS hybrid could potentially run sufficient programs for most users of laptops.

    Moving back to present Chromebooks - if your bought into the Google ecosystem and require something for light usage I don't understand why you wouldn't consider a Chromebook for your needs. If Microsoft released something similar, anyone who uses the Microsoft ecosystem would do exactly the same.

    The definition of a laptop according to Oxford dictionaries is:

    noun
    a computer that is portable and suitable for use while travelling.
    Does it meet those requirements? Yes. Does it meet the requirements for everyone who needs a laptop? Nope. It really is a personal thing. Lets not forget we're on a pro-Microsoft board here so opinions are going to be heavily skewed. I'm sure if you went on Google+ and asked the same question you would receive very different opinions.

    If you think a Chromebook could/does work for you, then great? If you think that it's too lightweight and doesn't even constitute be called a laptop? Also great.
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    11-28-2013 03:15 AM
  19. Coreldan's Avatar
    I'm sure if you went on Google+ and asked the same question you would receive very different opinions.
    Somehow I doubt this. I don't think this is a matter of fanboy opinions really. I'm pretty sure most avid Google fans don't see the Chromebook similar to your usual laptop. They might not go as far as to claim it's not a laptop, but I'm pretty sure most people would avoid calling it that and call it just a Chromebook.

    We're pro-Microsoft here, but who here thinks Surface-product line is laptops? They can even run PC software (if Pro), is portable, clamshell design, etc.. but no one in their right mind calls it a laptop. And now someone comes up with their anecdotal opinion that laptop needs to be able to support the screen/keyboard part without a kickstand. Well, I would agree, but this is just like my original post where I argued that Chromebook is not a laptop to me cos it can't run real PC software.
    11-28-2013 04:47 AM
  20. 11B1P's Avatar
    so a Windows-powered PC with a terrible processor and not that much RAM is a laptop?

    What you expect from a computer and what it actually is are two different things. I could say that I expect a smartphone to have a notification center, but Windows Phone doesn't have a good notification center, therefore even though it looks like a smartphone, acts like a smartphone, and follows the definition of a smartphone, Windows Phones aren't smartphones.
    Not from the general consumer standpoint. The notification center on a smartphone is a feature. Features vary from phone to phone. Smartphones do a variety of things. Example call, text, access the internet, word editing, etc. The chromebook does one thing: connect to the internet.
    11-28-2013 06:58 AM
  21. iamtim's Avatar
    not sure what you mean by that
    Really? My original post in this thread was, "Technically, by dictionary definition, it is a laptop. In reality, however, many people would not consider it a "real" laptop because of its shortcomings." You debated that point with me.

    Now you say, "What you expect from a computer and what it actually is are two different things." Isn't that pretty much the exact same point I made?
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    11-28-2013 01:28 PM
  22. Jas00555's Avatar
    Really? My original post in this thread was, "Technically, by dictionary definition, it is a laptop. In reality, however, many people would not consider it a "real" laptop because of its shortcomings." You debated that point with me.

    Now you say, "What you expect from a computer and what it actually is are two different things." Isn't that pretty much the exact same point I made?
    not quite. You were comparing a dictionary definition to what you particularly expect from a laptop. I was comparing what you specifically want from a laptop and what people in general expect from a laptop compared to what it actually is, using the Z10 as an example. I can see how you would be confused so let me put it another way.

    The dictionary definition of a smartphone is basically a phone that has more advanced computing and connectivity compared to feature phones.

    People in general expect a smartphone to connect to the internet and be able to download apps.

    You, specifically and hypothetically, want a smartphone that has *insert feature*. The Z10 doesn't have this feature so you don't consider the Z10 a smartphone because of this shortcoming.

    Back to the computer analogy, most people don't care about this shortcoming that you have, since almost everytime someone on here writes about the "average consumer" they apparently just want to get on the internet, browse facebook, and do some light productivity (not sure if I believe that, but whatever).

    The Chromebook, when connected (duh) can get on the internet. Offline, it can be used for stuff like creating documents and checking cached email (whether you believe that the Chromebook can be used offline or not is your problem, but it can).

    So, regardless of dictionary definition, what YOU want from a product and what people in general want from a product are different.
    11-28-2013 01:56 PM
  23. despertador's Avatar
    Laptops, in fact, do include the chromebook because of the definition of a "laptop." A laptop is a computing device that is mobile and folds.

    In the ad, Microsoft was taking a jab at the chromebook, and how it doesn't run the common desktop programs we're used to using today.

    So, is the chromebook a laptop? Yes. Does MS's advertising dept. want to go by their own definition? Yes. So in reality, should you really get offended by an advertisement? No.

    Just like those Mac vs. PC ads, advertisers want to spread their word, whether it is or is not fact. Do PCs have to install drivers when you reset it? Yes. Does Apple's advertising dept. want to emphasize how Macs are usually free from hassle? Yes. Is it silly to get mad over the fact that ads make it sound like you need to install new drivers everyday? Yes.
    11-28-2013 01:58 PM
  24. iamtim's Avatar
    not quite
    You are quite the word-wrangler. I think I agree with fatclue_98; it seems like you just want to argue, even when you're arguing against yourself.
    11-28-2013 07:29 PM
  25. Jas00555's Avatar
    You are quite the word-wrangler. I think I agree with fatclue_98; it seems like you just want to argue, even when you're arguing against yourself.
    I guess when I make a statement, avoiding the point seems to be the norm with you two, which is fine. I always assumed that if I made a point, someone made a counter point, then I countered that point, it was called a debate. Since multiple people make multiple points, I counter them. I've maintained the same point the entire time, but whatever.
    11-28-2013 08:01 PM
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