11-29-2013 11:26 AM
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  1. Jas00555's Avatar
    Alright, well, we all saw the ad from Microsoft about the Chromebook not being a "real" laptop, and frankly, it doesn't sit well with me. Although that's not to say that I disagree with the other points they were making.

    Does it run the programs that most people use? Definitely not (a lot of them, but not all)

    Is its functionality severely hampered when its not online? Definitely

    Does it run the familiar Windows OS? We all know that to be not true

    Does Google track your data? Absolutely

    I agree with all of these facts, and those reasons (among others) are the exact reasons that im not getting, and never plan to get, a chromebook, but I still can't wrap my head around how its not a "real" laptop.

    By definition, a laptop is "A laptop is a portable personal computer with a clamshell form factor, suitable for mobile use.[1] A laptop has most of the same components as a desktop computer, including a display, a keyboard, a pointing device such as a touchpad (also known as a trackpad) and/or a pointing stick, and speakers into a single unit. A laptop is powered by mains electricity via an AC adapter, and can be used away from an outlet using a rechargeable battery. Laptops are also sometimes called notebook computers or notebooks. Other terms, such as ultrabooks or netbooks, refer to specific types of laptop / notebook. Most of the modern day laptop computers also have a webcam and a mic (microphone) pre-installed." (sorry if that looks weird, I copy/pasted from Wikipedia from my phone, which I think has a fair definition of the word laptop).

    So... How is a Chromebook not a "real" laptop? Is someone able to clarify?
    11-27-2013 10:27 AM
  2. Coreldan's Avatar
    Personally I expect laptop to run PC-grade software, coming down to the inability to run most desktop software makes it not a laptop to me.
    11-27-2013 10:31 AM
  3. Jas00555's Avatar
    Personally I expect laptop to run PC-grade software, coming down to the inability to run most desktop software makes it not a laptop to me.
    but still, even if it doesn't have the programs that you want, its still a laptop, its just not one you want/need.
    11-27-2013 10:34 AM
  4. iamtim's Avatar
    You're dealing in semantics. Technically, by dictionary definition, it is a laptop. In reality, however, many people would not consider it a "real" laptop because of its shortcomings.
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    11-27-2013 10:38 AM
  5. squire777's Avatar
    ^agreed.

    I'm sure technically you could consider an iPad with keyboard attached to be a laptop
    11-27-2013 10:41 AM
  6. Jas00555's Avatar
    You're dealing in semantics. Technically, by dictionary definition, it is a laptop. In reality, however, many people would not consider it a "real" laptop because of its shortcomings.
    even if it is semantics, its still false advertising. That's like me saying that the Z10 isn't a real smartphone because it doesn't have the apps I need.

    Tell me this, if it was an Apple ad saying that Windows Phone wasn't a "real" phone because it lacks Facetime, would you have the same reaction?
    11-27-2013 10:43 AM
  7. iamtim's Avatar
    Tell me this, if it was an Apple ad saying that Windows Phone wasn't a "real" phone because it lacks Facetime, would you have the same reaction?
    Easy there, partner, I don't care if it's considered a laptop or not. I have no interest one way or the other. You asked how it was not considered a "real" laptop and quoted the dictionary definition, I was simply saying that how the dictionary defines something and how the "real world" defines something are often not the same thing.
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    11-27-2013 10:50 AM
  8. Jas00555's Avatar
    Easy there, partner, I don't care if it's considered a laptop or not. I have no interest one way or the other. You asked how it was not considered a "real" laptop and quoted the dictionary definition, I was simply saying that how the dictionary defines something and how the "real world" defines something are often not the same thing.
    lol I'm not getting mad :p

    Still, would you say a BlackBerry 10 phone isn't a "real" smarphone because it lacks apps? In the real world use, it lacks apps that most people use, but its still a real smartphone, but if Microsoft made a commercial saying how it wasn't really a smartphone, people here wouldn't have the same reaction.
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    11-27-2013 10:54 AM
  9. Jas00555's Avatar
    If they got rid of that one line, I'd be ok with the commercial, but when they say its not a real laptop, it really makes me think less of Microsoft.
    11-27-2013 10:55 AM
  10. iamtim's Avatar
    would you say a BlackBerry 10 phone isn't a "real" smarphone because it lacks apps?
    Me personally? No, I wouldn't say that. But I wouldn't say that a Chromebook isn't a "real" laptop either.
    11-27-2013 10:59 AM
  11. Muessig's Avatar
    This is a bit similar to the 'Scroogled' Ad Campaign in nature. I was thinking its completely plausible that using the same mindset Microsoft has here Apple or Google, more likely, could say Windows Phone is not a 'real' phone.

    I think you have to remember only one thing here though. The fact you are talking about it and it got a reaction means it's been fundamentally successful.
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    11-27-2013 10:59 AM
  12. thed's Avatar
    This bothers me for the same reason that those "I'm a Mac, I'm a PC" Apple ads bothered me. A Mac is a personal computer, just like a Chomebook is a laptop. It's just a different type of laptop, and saying otherwise is just going to confuse people and encourage further misuse of the term.
    11-27-2013 11:05 AM
  13. Jas00555's Avatar

    I think you have to remember only one thing here though. The fact you are talking about it and it got a reaction means it's been fundamentally successful.
    True, but you have to consider that this is a Microsoft-centered site and Google treats WP differently than it does other OSes so the reaction is different here than it would be for the average person.
    11-27-2013 11:14 AM
  14. stmav's Avatar
    I mean if we are going to argue for the sake of arguing. It was a Wikipedia definition, which is not a dictionary. How about if they refer to it as a portable web browser. Would that be acceptable? Because you can't argue that's what it really is. This is getting way overblown.
    azcruz, Muessig and Laura Knotek like this.
    11-27-2013 03:17 PM
  15. Kellzea's Avatar
    Of course its not a "real" laptop. It runs chrome. Google themselves don't consider it a laptop. Apple don't consider macbooks laptops either.

    By definition it is a laptop, as its a clamshell pc, but by definition Pluto isn't a planet, as it is not in gravitational control over its orbit.

    But we don't live in a dictionary, we live in a world of marketing, preference and mental inertia.

    Most people wouldn't consider a none windows device a laptop or pc. Most people consider Pluto to be a planet.

    Also, its not false advertising. Its a bad video, and its a rubbish campaign, but nothing in the video is untrue. Only semantically debatable.
    11-27-2013 03:28 PM
  16. Si Haworth's Avatar
    Best thing I've ever bought is my Chromebook.

    Have my desktop upstairs as a Plex server and my Chromebook as a light weight "laptop", or whatever you want to call it, with me around the house. Instant booting, solid 5-6 hours battery life, Spotify, Netlifx, Plex clients on it. Don't really need anything else on it. Obviously its a highly personal thing, but for my needs it's brilliant.
    11-27-2013 03:36 PM
  17. 11B1P's Avatar
    Personally I expect laptop to run PC-grade software, coming down to the inability to run most desktop software makes it not a laptop to me.
    Agreed. When you turn it on, it connects to the web, nothing else correct? I think you will find that the majority of consumers, regular people, will expect a laptop, either Windows-based or a Mac, in which other software programs can run. Otherwise, it's just an internet-connected.....tablet.
    11-27-2013 03:38 PM
  18. HeyCori's Avatar
    Let me throw out this theoretical... If all it takes for something to be classified as a laptop is a keyboard and the ability to run applications, is the iPad not a laptop when a keyboard is attached?
    11-27-2013 05:50 PM
  19. Reflexx's Avatar
    Seems more like a terminal than a laptop.
    11-27-2013 06:19 PM
  20. Jas00555's Avatar
    Let me throw out this theoretical... If all it takes for something to be classified as a laptop is a keyboard and the ability to run applications, is the iPad not a laptop when a keyboard is attached?
    well, technically it needs a clampshell form-factor, but an iPad is definitely a computer. I know their marketing term is a tablet, but they're all computers, just in different forms. In that instance, it would still be a tablet unless it had a clamp shell.
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    11-27-2013 06:24 PM
  21. xratola's Avatar
    I don't think either that the Chromebook is a laptop. Away from the dictionary a laptop for most of people is light version of a desktop computer (PC, MAC). So we go to what's a computer? It's a device which was designed for processing information and make some tasks easier but with that definition almost everything would qualify as a computer so we have to add that it's made for actually heavy information processing(Photoshop, Vegas pro, enormous games and other kind of heavy software) which couldn't be addressed with an iPad for example. Then laptops have that processing power and are not internet dependent so I would conclude that the chromebook is a tablet or whatever with a shell form-factor but never a laptop.
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    11-27-2013 06:56 PM
  22. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Just because I might sleep in the garage doesn't make me a car. The Chromebook is not a laptop in the conventional sense.
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    11-27-2013 06:58 PM
  23. Microsoftjunkie's Avatar
    I agree with everyone here, a Chrome book is not a laptop. Just because it has that form factor doesn't mean it's one. I expect it to run applications, intensive if need be, that tablet and mobile socs can't handle. I also find it weird with such a limited OS that they would need a Celeron based Haswell. Google isn't known for optimizing there code and it still shows today. Even Windows RT ran on an S4 Dual core.
    11-27-2013 07:08 PM
  24. Jas00555's Avatar
    I agree with everyone here, a Chrome book is not a laptop. Just because it has that form factor doesn't mean it's one. I expect it to run applications, intensive if need be, that tablet and mobile socs can't handle. I also find it weird with such a limited OS that they would need a Celeron based Haswell. Google isn't known for optimizing there code and it still shows today. Even Windows RT ran on an S4 Dual core.
    so a Windows-powered PC with a terrible processor and not that much RAM is a laptop?

    What you expect from a computer and what it actually is are two different things. I could say that I expect a smartphone to have a notification center, but Windows Phone doesn't have a good notification center, therefore even though it looks like a smartphone, acts like a smartphone, and follows the definition of a smartphone, Windows Phones aren't smartphones.
    11-27-2013 08:00 PM
  25. Jas00555's Avatar
    Just because I might sleep in the garage doesn't make me a car. The Chromebook is not a laptop in the conventional sense.
    If you had 4 wheels, an engine, and could get people from point A to point B, then yes, you would be a car, regardless of where you were.

    That also raises another great analogy. If my car only drives 30mph, when I expect it to be able to use the interstate because most cars can, does that mean its not a car?
    11-27-2013 08:03 PM
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