View Poll Results: Should we pause our rapid development in technology or keep going?

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  • PAUSE!

    3 9.38%
  • KEEP GOING!

    29 90.63%
03-04-2014 01:19 AM
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  1. unstoppablekem's Avatar
    Wow. I feel like an "Ancient" in a movie telling the main characters about the wars from long long ago.

    "Yes young one. Long long ago, times were different. We were happy without worrying about technology. Then came... the Clock Speed Wars. During that time everything was full of chaos. PCs were outdated every few months, with the newest iteration of software needing the newest processors in order to run smoothly. Thousands and thousands of dollars perished during these dark times."
    Pretty scary!!
    palandri likes this.
    01-13-2014 11:37 PM
  2. Luminatic's Avatar
    What also worries me about technology apart from loss of privacy is: technology moving forward faster and faster tends to make lots of users more and more dependant (= stupider in a way). Some Examples: I learnt to read maps as a teenager. Navigation tools of any kind did not exist, but still I didn't get lost more often than now. When we went out, trying a new restaurant was an adventure, there simply was no way to read reviews on some tool. You would just ask someone if he knew it or simply try. Exercising? You just went and exercised, and nothing would measure the amount if steps you took. And still,people didn't get fat because of lack of exercise.
    I guess there is more involved than only technology taking over our lives in the last example, like more junk food (e.g. McDonalds didn't exist in my area when I was a teenager), and more ways of distraction while sitting down - With 3 TV channels and no electronical games to keep you from your chairs and couches, a step-meter simply wasn't necessary to make sure you moved enough. You just did, naturally.
    01-13-2014 11:47 PM
  3. Reflexx's Avatar
    Before the Clock Speed Wars really got going...

    Load "*",8,1
    Laura Knotek and a5cent like this.
    01-13-2014 11:55 PM
  4. cckgz4's Avatar
    I don't think tech should slow down, but I think we should slow down on providing our info on the internet so fast.
    01-14-2014 12:55 AM
  5. hopmedic's Avatar
    Pretty scary!!
    But it was REAL! And those of us who lived through it are better for it!

    Before the Clock Speed Wars really got going...

    Load "*",8,1
    YES! A fellow Commodore user!
    I was an electronics student in high school, so I opened up my disk drive, and modified it. I actually took a soldering iron to it. Added four switches. Two were buttons - one reset the drive, and one reset the whole system. Two were toggle switches. One switched between device 8 and device 9 - for when I was at a friend's house with my drive, or he was at mine - so we could "share" games, if you know what I mean....

    The last switch was a three position switch connected to the IR LED and IR Transistor that detected whether there was a notch cut in the disk. One position was normal. Read and write depending on the notch. One position was read only - it disabled the LED so that even disks with notches could not be written to. The third position was read/write disregarding the notch. It bypassed the transistor so you could read or write whether there was a notch or not. Imagine writing on the backs of disks without having to cut the notch!!!

    Yes, younglings, we did used to do crazy things like this with our computers....

    Oh - and there was once a day when if you wanted to add memory to your computer, it came in the form of IC chips, matched, that would be sold in an anti-static "tube" shaped to fit the chips......

    You could even build your own computer from a kit if you wanted to!
    01-14-2014 10:35 AM
  6. unstoppablekem's Avatar
    But it was REAL! And those of us who lived through it are better for it!
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    01-14-2014 10:38 AM
  7. hopmedic's Avatar
    ROFL!

    Imagine, if you will, life with an iPhone that doesn't have a touch screen to dial with, but a DIAL!!! THE HORROR OF IT! Yes, young Padwan, many of us even learned to dial with a phone that had a broken dial, by repeatedly tapping the cradle - the button that hangs up the phone - to dial the phone. Tap it once for a one, wait a sec, then twice for a two.... ten times for a zero.... And imagine this - having to memorize the phone number for the local fire department because there was no 911!!!!!

    Some of you can't even imagine a phone without the internet on it.....
    01-14-2014 10:42 AM
  8. unstoppablekem's Avatar
    ROFL!

    Imagine, if you will, life with an iPhone that doesn't have a touch screen to dial with, but a DIAL!!! THE HORROR OF IT! Yes, young Padwan, many of us even learned to dial with a phone that had a broken dial, by repeatedly tapping the cradle - the button that hangs up the phone - to dial the phone. Tap it once for a one, wait a sec, then twice for a two.... ten times for a zero.... And imagine this - having to memorize the phone number for the local fire department because there was no 911!!!!!

    Some of you can't even imagine a phone without the internet on it.....
    Must of been a hard time!!
    snowmutt, Guytronic and palandri like this.
    01-14-2014 10:44 AM
  9. xzb6np's Avatar
    But it was REAL! And those of us who lived through it are better for it!



    YES! A fellow Commodore user!
    I was an electronics student in high school, so I opened up my disk drive, and modified it. I actually took a soldering iron to it. Added four switches. Two were buttons - one reset the drive, and one reset the whole system. Two were toggle switches. One switched between device 8 and device 9 - for when I was at a friend's house with my drive, or he was at mine - so we could "share" games, if you know what I mean....

    The last switch was a three position switch connected to the IR LED and IR Transistor that detected whether there was a notch cut in the disk. One position was normal. Read and write depending on the notch. One position was read only - it disabled the LED so that even disks with notches could not be written to. The third position was read/write disregarding the notch. It bypassed the transistor so you could read or write whether there was a notch or not. Imagine writing on the backs of disks without having to cut the notch!!!

    Yes, younglings, we did used to do crazy things like this with our computers....

    Oh - and there was once a day when if you wanted to add memory to your computer, it came in the form of IC chips, matched, that would be sold in an anti-static "tube" shaped to fit the chips......

    You could even build your own computer from a kit if you wanted to!
    I loved my Commodores! Started with a Vic 20 with a tape drive for storage in collage. Saved up a lot of money to get a 1541 5.25" floppy drive. Had the puncher to make the disks double sided. At the end I had a C=128 with the expanded graphics memory (I put in) programming in Basic 8 and running GEOS 128 for desktop publishing and other Office app stuff. By them I had a 1771 3.5" floppy drive, mouse, 80 column color RGB monitor, etc. I had all the programming manuals, magazines (Ahoy, Computes Gazzette, Commodore, Run). Good days. Everything was advancing so fast and exciting. About 10 years ago someone came and bought it all for $250. It was a pretty sad moment. But I still got my Timex Sinclair 1000 with 16k memory expansion, joystick interface and Sinclair Magazines in a box!!!
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    01-14-2014 10:59 AM
  10. hopmedic's Avatar
    I loved my Commodores! Started with a Vic 20 with a tape drive for storage in collage. Saved up a lot of money to get a 1541 5.25" floppy drive. Had the puncher to make the disks double sided. At the end I had a C=128 with the expanded graphics memory (I put in) programming in Basic 8 and running GEOS 128 for desktop publishing and other Office app stuff. By them I had a 1771 3.5" floppy drive, mouse, 80 column color RGB monitor, etc. I had all the programming manuals, magazines (Ahoy, Computes Gazzette, Commodore, Run). Good days. Everything was advancing so fast and exciting. About 10 years ago someone came and bought it all for $250. It was a pretty sad moment. But I still got my Timex Sinclair 1000 with 16k memory expansion, joystick interface and Sinclair Magazines in a box!!!
    I started with Apple ][+ computers at school, but a couple years later, the Vic 20 came out. I, too, had a tape drive - man was that thing slow. Some of these kids have NO idea what slow is! I don't remember how long we had the Vic, with it's whopping 8K of RAM (5K used by the OS), but we got a C=64 and a 1541 floppy drive, and a few months later, a printer (don't remember the model, but I don't think it was from the MPS series). Who here misses pin-feed paper and the ability to make banners???

    I had all the mags, too - Computes Gazette, Commodore, don't remember other names... I think it was Gazette that had the code in the back over a couple months to create a BBS. I put a lot of time into plugging in the code, so I could build a BBS, but in the end, it was Dad who said, "No, we're not getting a second phone line or a modem." Who remembers acoustic couplers??? *raises hand*

    When I graduated, I went into the Navy, and while I was gone, my dad sold the Commodore. I was saddened beyond belief to learn that.... I don't think I touched a computer the whole time I was in the Navy (4 years). But when I got out, Dad had a 286, and until I was able to pick up my own computer, I was over there using his all the time.

    Whoda thunk that while I was gone in the Navy, my dad, who had NEVER touched my C=64 or the Vic 20, would have picked up a PC and started playing with DOS in his 40s????
    01-14-2014 01:41 PM
  11. Reflexx's Avatar
    But it was REAL! And those of us who lived through it are better for it!



    YES! A fellow Commodore user!
    I was an electronics student in high school, so I opened up my disk drive, and modified it. I actually took a soldering iron to it. Added four switches. Two were buttons - one reset the drive, and one reset the whole system. Two were toggle switches. One switched between device 8 and device 9 - for when I was at a friend's house with my drive, or he was at mine - so we could "share" games, if you know what I mean....

    The last switch was a three position switch connected to the IR LED and IR Transistor that detected whether there was a notch cut in the disk. One position was normal. Read and write depending on the notch. One position was read only - it disabled the LED so that even disks with notches could not be written to. The third position was read/write disregarding the notch. It bypassed the transistor so you could read or write whether there was a notch or not. Imagine writing on the backs of disks without having to cut the notch!!!

    Yes, younglings, we did used to do crazy things like this with our computers....

    Oh - and there was once a day when if you wanted to add memory to your computer, it came in the form of IC chips, matched, that would be sold in an anti-static "tube" shaped to fit the chips......

    You could even build your own computer from a kit if you wanted to!
    Oh man, you were hardcore. You didn't have to cut a notch in the diskette to make it double-sided? Remember seeing "double-sided" diskettes being sold for a lot more money than single-sided disks? lol

    The most I ever did was take apart broken joysticks and put parts together with a soldering iron, some cutting, and glue to create custom joysticks with more buttons.
    01-14-2014 02:31 PM
  12. Reflexx's Avatar
    ROFL!

    Imagine, if you will, life with an iPhone that doesn't have a touch screen to dial with, but a DIAL!!! THE HORROR OF IT! Yes, young Padwan, many of us even learned to dial with a phone that had a broken dial, by repeatedly tapping the cradle - the button that hangs up the phone - to dial the phone. Tap it once for a one, wait a sec, then twice for a two.... ten times for a zero.... And imagine this - having to memorize the phone number for the local fire department because there was no 911!!!!!

    Some of you can't even imagine a phone without the internet on it.....
    Or using a tape recorder/player to play dial tones to the fancy touch tone phones. Call the number just using the sounds. (I think you probably could still do this?)

    Or playing a certain tone combination on some public pay phones...

    My first cell phone would make the 1520 look tiny. Hell... before they were cell phones they were mainly referred to as car phones. And the "portable" ones had a base unit as big as the XBOX ONE that you carried around with a strap.
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    01-14-2014 02:44 PM
  13. squire777's Avatar
    This thread brings back some memories. Some thoughts

    - I knew a guy that would use a tape player to simulate tones in payphones in order to make free calls

    - Had a cousin that had a Commodore 64 with a tape deck. I remember how you would have to put the tape in and then let it load for anywhere from 5-10 minutes before you could play. Then you would just hope it didn't crash or have any problems along the way.

    - Remember writing down all your phone numbers in a phone book?

    - We would often record songs off the radio or even off the tv. I remember I made a contraption out of cardboard so that the sound from the tv speakers would go into the mic on the tape player and also keep out outside noises. Then you would trade cassettes with others to let them record whatever songs you wanted.
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    01-14-2014 02:57 PM
  14. Guytronic's Avatar


    Amazing how the smartphone has replaced all these devices of the future
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    01-14-2014 03:05 PM
  15. hopmedic's Avatar
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    01-14-2014 03:12 PM
  16. AndyCalling's Avatar
    Wow. I feel like an "Ancient" in a movie telling the main characters about the wars from long long ago.

    "Yes young one. Long long ago, times were different. We were happy without worrying about technology. Then came... the Clock Speed Wars. During that time everything was full of chaos. PCs were outdated every few months, with the newest iteration of software needing the newest processors in order to run smoothly. Thousands and thousands of dollars perished during these dark times."
    Ah yes, the clock speed wars. I remember when digital watches came in, and jogging then became a craze because everyone had to explain to their spouses exactly why they had bought expensive new digital watches. Tense times.
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    01-14-2014 03:15 PM
  17. hopmedic's Avatar
    Digital watches with LED displays that only lit up for a couple seconds after you push the button.......
    Guytronic and Laura Knotek like this.
    01-14-2014 03:29 PM
  18. aximtreo's Avatar
    Guytronic, I've got you a few years. 68 years young. I see 536 direct causes for our government being in the state it is. Raised in NC when enter meant coming in from playing till the street lights came on. Tweet was something I laid on my back in the spring and listened to the birds do. The closest thing to Facebook I remember was the picture on the front of the book the publisher and writer tempted you in hopes you bought it.

    Now at 68, insulin dependent, one heart attack and a 4 bypass. Yet, still I sit on my ARSE plucking the keys on this laptop instead of going for a walk. If anyone finds a way to ctrl-alt=del our brains to start over, would you please post many times here.
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    01-14-2014 03:30 PM
  19. Reflexx's Avatar
    In the height of the Clock Speed Wars...

    A song that documented some of what was going on.


    "My computer gots the clocks it rocks,
    but it was obsolete before I opened the box.

    You say you've had your desktop for over a week?
    Throw that junk away man, it's an antique!

    Your laptop's a month old? Well that's great
    if you could use a nice heavy paperweight"
    01-14-2014 04:53 PM
  20. hopmedic's Avatar
    I remember going outside when the sun came up and not returning until the streetlight came on, as well... And drinking from the garden hose, neighbors who would whip your behind in the absence of your parents..... Hand sanitizer was the running water in the creek.

    Now I struggle to get my grandson to put down the PSP, telling him that there's a 3D, HD, Surround sound game called OUTSIDE!
    01-14-2014 04:56 PM
  21. Guytronic's Avatar
    Guytronic, I've got you a few years. 68 years young. I see 536 direct causes for our government being in the state it is. Raised in NC when enter meant coming in from playing till the street lights came on. Tweet was something I laid on my back in the spring and listened to the birds do. The closest thing to Facebook I remember was the picture on the front of the book the publisher and writer tempted you in hopes you bought it.

    Now at 68, insulin dependent, one heart attack and a 4 bypass. Yet, still I sit on my ARSE plucking the keys on this laptop instead of going for a walk. If anyone finds a way to ctrl-alt=del our brains to start over, would you please post many times here.
    Hey ax!
    Let's git on that rickety old bicycle and take a slow cruise kiddo

    "Always remember life itself was the best app ever written!"
    (Stolen from a good friend on the XDA forums)

    **
    I agree completely about the 536 reasons also my friend ...
    Most definitely time for a change out there.
    01-14-2014 05:07 PM
  22. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    We've lost a sense of moral responsibility in the pursuits of commercially manufactured happiness and instant gratification.
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    01-14-2014 05:10 PM
  23. snowmutt's Avatar
    My wife had a conversation once about the Wal-Mart's and big chains taking over the world of retail. She was really missing choice- all the big stores had the same things. I told not to worry- at some point, those who buy things would get tired of it too, and demand for choices- even if it cost a little more- would bring back specialty shops and "mom & pop" style stores. I think the slow economy has kept that down a little, but I stand by it: When people get sick of something, that is when change is forced on the consumer world.

    I feel the same about tech. There is a point where NSA leaks, IRS scandals, Facebook releasing all your information, Google selling all your habits to advetisers, and just general crap like that will fuel a desire to return to privacy. That is when you will see a closed system that secures your information become the rage. It will swing back to people caring about their privacy.

    Also feel that way about the rapid fire mobile landscape. At some point, the "casual" user will have a device that just fits their needs and a decent size consumer group of them will stop buying. Then, the year-over-year spech war will have a natural slowdown. Not ever stop- even the PCs gave way to laptops over time due to laptops improving. But, it wasn't the constant 4-6 month cycle we saw during the apex of the PC wars. We are at that 4-6 month period now in mobile. The tech savy buyer is petrified to pull the trigger on a top end phone right now- something better is coming in March. Why buy in January???

    How many threads have been started about buyers being afraid to buy the L1520 not because of the size or any shortcomings of the device, but by golly- WP 8.1 phones are coming "soon".... wouldn't I be just better off waiting for them?? Then it will be: Why should I buy the first ones? The WP 8.1 second generation will be even BETTER!!!

    When consumers start demanding a bigger return on their phone purchases, it will slow down.

    Until then: The market is supporting it, so it will be full speed ahead.
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    01-14-2014 05:18 PM
  24. Reflexx's Avatar
    I remember going outside when the sun came up and not returning until the streetlight came on, as well... And drinking from the garden hose, neighbors who would whip your behind in the absence of your parents..... Hand sanitizer was the running water in the creek.

    Now I struggle to get my grandson to put down the PSP, telling him that there's a 3D, HD, Surround sound game called OUTSIDE!
    Yeah.. my son is still really young (kindergarten), and I try to put him into as many physical activities as possible. I don't want him to miss out on the real 3D world.
    01-14-2014 05:24 PM
  25. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    Digital watches with LED displays that only lit up for a couple seconds after you push the button.......
    I had the original LED Star Wars watch.
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    01-14-2014 09:21 PM
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