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  1. prasath1234's Avatar
    K but better late than never.
    04-13-2014 11:19 AM
  2. Jas00555's Avatar
    K but better late than never.
    "Tech companies are like sharks. Either they move forward or they die" - Steve Ballmer

    BlackBerry, for too long, did not move forward with innovation. It's sad, but this is the end. Revenues are dropping, and even if they sell 5 million Z3s, the profit margin on low ends would not be enough to save them.
    Last edited by Jas00555; 04-13-2014 at 12:30 PM.
    04-13-2014 11:29 AM
  3. SwimSwim's Avatar
    That's actually something completely different in regards to the X1 and PS4. Xbox vs. Playstation is part of the ongoing console wars, which are different than what this website represents (Microsoft as a while). Console wars are plagued by 12 year olds, and those are the cut throat comments that you see in comment section. I find that there is plenty of criticism of Microsoft in these forums, so while there is some blind fanboyism, it's not bad.
    Very true. I do find that WPC as a whole (forums + the news portion of the site) is very fair. Blind fanboyism here and there? Of course. But overall, pretty fair to admit Microsoft's shortcomings (such as how Xbox Music is a downgrade from Zune :( )
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    04-13-2014 12:16 PM
  4. A895's Avatar
    Very true. I do find that WPC as a whole (forums + the news portion of the site) is very fair. Blind fanboyism here and there? Of course. But overall, pretty fair to admit Microsoft's shortcomings (such as how Xbox Music is a downgrade from Zune :( )
    If anything I see fanboyism for Nokia. A good portion of comments on articles and in the forums completely bashed the Ativ SE.
    04-13-2014 12:18 PM
  5. SwimSwim's Avatar
    "Tech companies are like sharks. Either they move forward or they die" - Steve Ballmer

    BlackBerry, for too long, did move forward with innovation. It's sad, but this is the end. Revenues are dropping, and even if they sell 5 million Z3s, the profit margin on low ends would not be enough to save them.
    Indeed. The only reason Windows Phone has been able to last so long is because Microsoft has enough revenue from other areas of the company to continue taking losses on it. It's beginning to turn around, and Windows Phone is starting to gain momentum, so it has a chance of survival.

    But BlackBerry made ALL of their money from their phone division, and they waited too long before they considered thing like BBM on other platforms, or selling themselves as an enterprise services company.

    So now they're going broke, with no other means of revenue. Sorry for anyone who likes BlackBerry, but they're done. They probably could've made it if they had put BBM on iOS and Android sooner, or perhaps pulled an IBM and become and enterprise solutions company. But they remained stubborn trying to insist they're the best option for business, and then tried to force its way into the consumer market.

    With enough time, this might have worked, but Blackberry didn't have deep enough pockets to try this method, and the end result is what we see now: their inevitable bankruptcy.
    04-13-2014 12:21 PM
  6. SwimSwim's Avatar
    If anything I see fanboyism for Nokia. A good portion of comments on articles and in the forums completely bashed the Ativ SE.
    Hahaha, yeah. This site really hates Samsung. While I personally think Samsung lacks any vision as a company, and I hate the cheap plastic they use for their phones, I nonetheless welcome them with open arms to build Windows Phones.

    Would I ever buy one? Nope, but if someone likes Samsung's build quality, who am I to judge?
    04-13-2014 12:23 PM
  7. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    I don't understand why people dislike Samsung. I actually like the gold SGS5. If they made a Windows Phone version, I'd consider it.
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    04-13-2014 03:10 PM
  8. tgp's Avatar
    Indeed. The only reason Windows Phone has been able to last so long is because Microsoft has enough revenue from other areas of the company to continue taking losses on it. It's beginning to turn around, and Windows Phone is starting to gain momentum, so it has a chance of survival.
    I was thinking this as well. WP would certainly be dead by now were it not owned by Microsoft. It has never made a profit and it probably never will on its own, at least in the foreseeable future. Its value to Microsoft is that it's a gateway to Microsoft's services.
    04-13-2014 03:49 PM
  9. afnan_mc's Avatar
    I was thinking this as well. WP would certainly be dead by now were it not owned by Microsoft. It has never made a profit and it probably never will on its own, at least in the foreseeable future. Its value to Microsoft is that it's a gateway to Microsoft's services.
    Windows Phone has never made a profit.? That's quite the outlandish claim.
    04-13-2014 03:56 PM
  10. SwimSwim's Avatar
    Windows Phone has never made a profit.? That's quite the outlandish claim.
    Microsoft quarterly earnings. It's always been reported as a loss. Microsoft can absorb it, of course, considering how deep of pockets they have. Nonetheless, while it's becoming less and less of a loss, Windows Phone has yet to turn a profit since its inception.
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    04-13-2014 04:00 PM
  11. Loco5150's Avatar
    Windows Phone has never made a profit.? That's quite the outlandish claim.
    Money earned - money spent = profit.

    With these low sales, I would say its certaint WP is a money hole for now.

    Not only R&D and all that, also MS is spending money on promoting WP.
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    04-13-2014 04:04 PM
  12. unstoppablekem's Avatar
    K but better late than never.
    Sorry, but Mr. Thor ruined your company, and Chen is making it worse by bringing back old devices.

    RIP BlackBerry.
    04-13-2014 04:58 PM
  13. unstoppablekem's Avatar
    If anything I see fanboyism for Nokia. A good portion of comments on articles and in the forums completely bashed the Ativ SE.
    Well it's kind of true. I mean, why would you get a Samsung WP with their lousy WP support and meh devices, when you can get a Lumia that is SUPPORTED?
    04-13-2014 05:00 PM
  14. unstoppablekem's Avatar
    Hahaha, yeah. This site really hates Samsung. While I personally think Samsung lacks any vision as a company, and I hate the cheap plastic they use for their phones, I nonetheless welcome them with open arms to build Windows Phones.

    Would I ever buy one? Nope, but if someone likes Samsung's build quality, who am I to judge?
    Good point.
    04-13-2014 05:01 PM
  15. Jack Janik's Avatar
    Yes. I will mourn the loss. :-(
    04-13-2014 05:03 PM
  16. 12Danny123's Avatar
    Windows Phone has never made a profit.? That's quite the outlandish claim.


    Well it did. Now it doesn't since MS is making WP free for OEMs
    04-13-2014 06:25 PM
  17. SwimSwim's Avatar
    Well it did. Now it doesn't since MS is making WP free for OEMs
    Wrong. Microsoft has always spent more money both developing, advertising and otherwise trying to promote Windows Phone than they've ever made in license sales. Now that it's free, the only money coming in from Windows Phone will be via app sales.

    EDIT: I realize that sounded kind of mean, so my apologies if it came across as aggressive, as that was not my intention. ;)
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    04-13-2014 06:28 PM
  18. A895's Avatar
    Well it's kind of true. I mean, why would you get a Samsung WP with their lousy WP support and meh devices, when you can get a Lumia that is SUPPORTED?
    Maybe because Samsung offers the little things that Nokia does not have, Removable batteries, IR Blaster and TV Remote App, and Ativ Beam (Send files to android phones and tablets). Little things that night sway someone to it. And by the looks of things in the forums there are some who are considering it over the Icon.

    Sent from my XT907 using Mobile Nations mobile app
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    04-13-2014 06:31 PM
  19. SwimSwim's Avatar
    Maybe because Samsung offers the little things that Nokia does not have, Removable batteries, IR Blaster and TV Remote App, and Ativ Beam (Send files to android phones and tablets). Little things that night sway someone to it. And by the looks of things in the forums there are some who are considering it over the Icon.

    Sent from my XT907 using Mobile Nations mobile app
    Indeed. While it's certainly not for everyone, we shouldn't divide ourselves based on hardware preferences, but rather: unite under the Windows flag. We're all here because we love the OS these devices run (well, most of us, any ways :P).
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    04-13-2014 06:34 PM
  20. unstoppablekem's Avatar
    Maybe because Samsung offers the little things that Nokia does not have, Removable batteries, IR Blaster and TV Remote App, and Ativ Beam (Send files to android phones and tablets). Little things that night sway someone to it. And by the looks of things in the forums there are some who are considering it over the Icon.

    Sent from my XT907 using Mobile Nations mobile app
    The Ativ SE has the features the S4 had, like the IR and TV stuff? I didn't know, as I don't know a whole lot about Samsung WPs, as Nokia is usually the main OEM.


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    04-13-2014 08:40 PM
  21. sd173's Avatar
    The posts over at the BlackBerry site got me pretty depressed today. It's like the last days in Hitler's bunker over there and they know it but refuse to admit it. Maybe Nokia should do a trade in program for Blackberry users. Rant over.
    Oh my gosh lawl! The title of this thread just made my day! I think they are definitely screwed as far as phones go, but I think I saw a news article ( cant remember what site though) a few weeks ago saying they might enter the PC market with windows 8. Maybe they have a new chance there?
    04-13-2014 08:46 PM
  22. unstoppablekem's Avatar
    Oh my gosh lawl! The title of this thread just made my day! I think they are definitely screwed as far as phones go, but I think I saw a news article ( cant remember what site though) a few weeks ago saying they might enter the PC market with windows 8. Maybe they have a new chance there?
    A BlackBerry PC? No thanks.

    And if they did make PCs or tablets, it would be BB10 powered.


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    04-13-2014 08:47 PM
  23. sd173's Avatar
    A BlackBerry PC? No thanks.

    And if they did make PCs or tablets, it would be BB10 powered.


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    I was just hoping they'd stay alive for a good portion of time with something new. I hate to see big industry-changing companies near their end. At least when Nokia got bought by Microsoft (I know they'll still exist, but who's going to pay attention to what they do anymore outside of the mobile industry?), it was a reasonable thing to happen since their phones were so relevant to everything about the WP OS. BlackBerry will probably just end up like Motorola (except though they still make good phones), and move from company to company.
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    04-13-2014 08:58 PM
  24. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    Oh my gosh lawl! The title of this thread just made my day! I think they are definitely screwed as far as phones go, but I think I saw a news article ( cant remember what site though) a few weeks ago saying they might enter the PC market with windows 8. Maybe they have a new chance there?
    That just wouldn't sell, not when Linux is free and yet only has ~1.5% of the market share on desktops. Yes, Linux is much more popular as a server OS.
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    04-13-2014 09:40 PM
  25. herbertsnow's Avatar
    I don't understand why people dislike Samsung. I actually like the gold SGS5. If they made a Windows Phone version, I'd consider it.
    According to Samsung's latest ad putting a heart beat monitor in a phone is the next big thing for cell phones. I almost died laughing.
    04-13-2014 09:57 PM
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