07-31-2014 01:39 PM
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  1. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    I liked this thread better when we were talking about "difference" between 4,450 million and 4.45 billion.
    Yeah, well this is what happens when you have technology anyone can use.
    07-31-2014 10:18 AM
  2. phlamethrowre's Avatar
    This is not where you started from and we are still in disagreement. Your understanding of my statement is incorrect.

    I understand that your statement admitted that science isn't always right. I agree with you. What more is there to understand?
    07-31-2014 10:19 AM
  3. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    I understand that your statement admitted that science isn't always right. I agree with you. What more is there to understand?
    What you disagree with is what we know to be fact. The fact that there are disagreements in science and that science can be wrong is not what we were discussing.
    07-31-2014 10:21 AM
  4. phlamethrowre's Avatar
    A scientific theory is not a guess. It's evidenced. For those of us who are not scientist it is 'fact' because the details they discuss are things that it doesn't change what we know.

    Here's something to keep in mind when you think of a scientific theory, just so you understand better. What you're using, electronics, is many scientific theories working together. Same goes for electricity. You can see for yourself, science theories are very different than what you think the word implies. They are workable, usable things.



    You may not be anti-science but you have a thinking that science shouldn't tread in places that makes you uncomfortable. That's just too bad. Science may not answer all questions but it does a good job at answering many and will continue to do so, whether you like the idea or not.

    Where did you come from? Stars. You, me and every living thing on this planet and in the universe came from exploding stars. We are star dust. The line between the living and non is a thinner line than you would be comfortable with. We may never know exactly how life started but we'll have a good idea about how. Probably very soon. We have a good idea what happened after it started though. It's called evolution.

    So your scientific answer to where we came from is "we are stardust"?? That's awesome. Dude, you seriously just made my day!!
    07-31-2014 10:22 AM
  5. Scienceguy Labs's Avatar
    N_LaRUE...you have my vote for P.M., president, King, Ruler of the Modern World, etc, etc. Thanks for standing up for logic and scientific literacy. We need more people like you here.
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    07-31-2014 10:22 AM
  6. phlamethrowre's Avatar
    What you disagree with is what we know to be fact. The fact that there are disagreements in science and that science can be wrong is not what we were discussing.

    What do you know to be fact regarding the origins of the universe?
    07-31-2014 10:23 AM
  7. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    So your scientific answer to where we came from is "we are stardust"?? That's awesome. Dude, you seriously just made my day!!
    It's true. Not sure if you being sarcastic or what.
    07-31-2014 10:23 AM
  8. Pete's Avatar
    Science is always right. Science is proven right when scientists prove other scientists to be wrong.

    Our understanding of science evolves in this way, the inherent wrongness of scientific endeavour and discovery is hence diminished, and the majority of scientific knowledge remains as the proven truth.
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    07-31-2014 10:23 AM
  9. Legoboyii's Avatar
    I love how this thread went downhill after my post. XD

    And creationists are stupid people that believe that the earth came about 6-7 literal 24 hour days. When in fact each day is a period of time which could've spanned any number of years. xd

    That fact doesn't go against science :P. As for time periods before 6k years pertaining to people. Again, The Flood messed up all the carbon dating etc. xD

    Flame all you want people. Its what I believe and my two cents. And nobody will ever change that.

    Anyway have fun! XD
    07-31-2014 10:25 AM
  10. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    What do you know to be fact regarding the origins of the universe?
    The origins of the universe is a complex thing and bit beyond my ability to explain, this I admit, but there is tonnes of information on the internet that will help you understand it better. The reason I agree with it is not due to belief but because other people who understand it agree with it. You either go with scientific consensus or you don't.
    07-31-2014 10:26 AM
  11. Pete's Avatar
    Creationists aren't stupid. I would never call anyone stupid for having beliefs.

    Creationists have simply defined boundaries around their view of the world according to their belief system.
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    07-31-2014 10:31 AM
  12. Jas00555's Avatar
    I love how this thread went downhill after my post. XD

    And creationists are stupid people that believe that the earth came about 6-7 literal 24 hour days. When in fact each day is a period of time which could've spanned any number of years. xd
    I honestly don't know any Christian who believes that it's 7 literal earth days. I mean, maybe children who don't understand the metaphor think that, but everytime I hear a child say that, the parent always goes "it doesn't actually mean days, that's just what they called it back then".
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    07-31-2014 10:31 AM
  13. Legoboyii's Avatar
    The origins of the universe is a complex thing and bit beyond my ability to explain, this I admit, but there is tonnes of information on the internet that will help you understand it better. The reason I agree with it is not due to belief but because other people who understand it agree with it. You either go with scientific consensus or you don't.
    Well for me the "Big Bang" seems to be the most plausible. The hard part people deal with is trying to explain what was that central point of energy that exploded outward.

    A plausible answer: God. (I would call him by his name instead but since people like to complain about everything I'll leave it at that for general purposes)

    My 2 cents again.
    07-31-2014 10:31 AM
  14. Legoboyii's Avatar
    I honestly don't know any Christian who believes that it's 7 literal earth days. I mean, maybe children who don't understand the metaphor think that, but everytime I hear a child say that, the parent always goes "it doesn't actually mean days, that's just what they called it back then".
    Well that's true, still I feel its dumb. :v
    Why my dad calls it Christendumb.

    Not hating on other people, that's just my opinion.
    07-31-2014 10:33 AM
  15. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    Well for me the "Big Bang" seems to be the most plausible. The hard part people deal with is trying to explain what was that central point of energy that exploded outward.

    A plausible answer: God. (I would call him by his name instead but since people like to complain about everything I'll leave it at that for general purposes)

    My 2 cents again.
    There's lots of ideas about what happened before the 'big bang'. The multiverse idea comes into play along with idea of continuous recycling. There's the idea that there were probably other unstable universes prior to this one.

    As for using the g word, that just leaves more questions than answers.
    07-31-2014 10:35 AM
  16. phlamethrowre's Avatar
    Call me simple but I can't even imagine how all of this came from nothingness that decided to blow up into somethingness. Now that requires some serious faith...
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    07-31-2014 10:39 AM
  17. Wam1q's Avatar
    As for using the g word, that just leaves more questions than answers.
    Btw, just curious: what questions do YOU think remain?
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    07-31-2014 10:39 AM
  18. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    I honestly don't know any Christian who believes that it's 7 literal earth days. I mean, maybe children who don't understand the metaphor think that, but everytime I hear a child say that, the parent always goes "it doesn't actually mean days, that's just what they called it back then".
    There are, unfortunately a lot of what are referred to 'Young Earth Creationists' around. Do a search on Ken Ham and the Creation Museum and Ark Encounter. If you want a real laugh, look up a video on YouTube Ray Comfort and bananas. Not entirely sure why there are so many Aussies...
    07-31-2014 10:40 AM
  19. Scienceguy Labs's Avatar
    I suggest you all read this website: http://www.whywontgodhealamputees.com/

    It's a humorous, yet intelligent, look at why "beliefs" based on emotion, country of origin, culture, etc are pretty much ridiculous when held under the lens of logic. I mean, think about it: are all amputees sinning heathens waiting on a trip to the underworld??? Did they secretly not really want that arm or leg anyway??? Why so much hate from the "almighty" towards amputees???
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    07-31-2014 10:41 AM
  20. Wam1q's Avatar
    Call me simple but I can't even imagine how all of this came from nothingness that decided to blow up into somethingness. Now that requires some serious faith...
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    Well, the speculation is that there wasn't nothingness before the big bang... It was something (a universe?) from which ours exploded.
    07-31-2014 10:41 AM
  21. Jas00555's Avatar
    Call me simple but I can't even imagine how all of this came from nothingness that decided to blow up into somethingness. Now that requires some serious faith...
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    Even I, someone who has literally almost no idea what most of the science mumbo-jumbo of the Big Bang means and have had it explained to me and it still doesn't make sense, know that that's not even close to what the Big Bang Theory is.
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    07-31-2014 10:44 AM
  22. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    Btw, just curious: what questions do YOU think remain?
    Many questions still remain. What is consciousness? What was before the universe? Why is the universe the way it is?

    There is more but you get the picture. There are many other questions a bit less philosophical and could eventually be answered given the time.

    There is one question that will always be around that will always be difficult to answer. I got this question from a very famous scientist by the way. It is this: once we know everything the one question will remain - why is it like that? That's hard to answer.
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    07-31-2014 10:45 AM
  23. phlamethrowre's Avatar
    Well, the speculation is that there wasn't nothingness before the big bang... It was something (a universe?) from which ours exploded.

    And where did the "something" come from?
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    07-31-2014 10:46 AM
  24. Jas00555's Avatar
    There are, unfortunately a lot of what are referred to 'Young Earth Creationists' around. Do a search on Ken Ham and the Creation Museum and Ark Encounter. If you want a real laugh, look up a video on YouTube Ray Comfort and bananas. Not entirely sure why there are so many Aussies...
    I mean, I don't doubt that they exist. Hell, people believe in a lot of things. Some people still believe the earth is flat. I'm just saying that even me, who lives in the Bible belt in West Virginia have never heard someone (even the pastors) say that it was seven literal earth days, so his "creationists are stupid" argument is kinda dumb.

    EDIT: meant to say "I mean" not I'm mean XD
    Last edited by Jas00555; 07-31-2014 at 11:02 AM.
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    07-31-2014 10:47 AM
  25. Pete's Avatar
    You can try asking Cortana....
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    07-31-2014 10:49 AM
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