1. Paul May's Avatar
    I just read an interesting story over at technobuffalo.com that reports a Harvard student who found a correlation between the release of new iPhone devices and the increase in people searching for solutions to slow iPhones.

    Is Apple Slowing Down Old iPhones on Purpose? | TechnoBuffalo

    Do you think this is possible? And do you think that any other major companies purposely slow down their products to help sell new ones?
    07-30-2014 01:11 AM
  2. StephanW's Avatar
    On purpose? Possible!

    I would like to look differently and say the new updates are optimized for latest Apple A6 and A7 CPU's inside and therefor less for the older products. Does this mean it's deliberately slowing down older iPhone models? Yes, you can read this in the sentence but I don't really think that's the case here.

    The study is relatively simple. Trucco searched for when people searched most for “iPhone slow.” Her results show major spikes for that search term right around the time of the iPhone launch each year, according to Daily Mail. That might show that Apple somehow plans to make its products obsolete right when new ones launch, though we think there are also other explanations for why this happens.
    Seriously Laura? Apple is the king when it comes to bringing new updates to the people. Everyone wants iOS 8 today instead of tomorrow. This means everyone will update even if it's not really handy to do is. My old 4S wasn't brilliant on iOS 7 so I used Google to speed up my iPhone. The search string "Speed up iPhone iOS7" could tell you that older iPhone became slow.

    Still, Trucco shows that the same conundrum doesn’t occur for new Galaxy devices
    Galaxy phones? Tabs? Tab + Note? Note+ Note Mini? What you mean KitKat 4? 4.4? 4.4.4? Sorry, you've lost me.
    07-30-2014 01:42 AM
  3. Paul May's Avatar
    On purpose? Possible!

    I would like to look differently and say the new updates are optimized for latest Apple A6 and A7 CPU's inside and therefor less for the older products. Does this mean it's deliberately slowing down older iPhone models? Yes, you can read this in the sentence but I don't really think that's the case here.
    I didn't read it to mean that the new OS updates that are on the new phones were slowing down the old phones. The way I understood the article, the spike in searches comes before the release of the updated OS and iPhone.
    07-30-2014 11:59 AM
  4. jmshub's Avatar
    I don't think Apple is intentionally slowing down older phones, but they definitely have a history of being ambivalent at best about backwards compatibility. I think they design each version of iOS with their newest hardware in mind. If the software slows down the older phones, then so be it. That will only incentivise these users to update their hardware.
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    07-30-2014 03:01 PM
  5. dgr_874's Avatar
    I don't think Apple is intentionally slowing down older phones, but they definitely have a history of being ambivalent at best about backwards compatibility. I think they design each version of iOS with their newest hardware in mind. If the software slows down the older phones, then so be it. That will only incentivise these users to update their hardware.
    Really? IOS 7 runs on hardware that is 4 years old at this point (iPhone 4). Try running any of these other OS's on hardware 4 years old and see how far you get.

    Admittedly, IOS 7 on an iPhone 4 isn't great, but that's more the fault of the hardware vs the software. Some new software features will not work or wont work great so Apple decides to leave it out.
    07-30-2014 03:23 PM
  6. xandros9's Avatar
    Interesting data. My first instinct is to think its a sort of psychological thing brought on by the new iPhone's so-many-times speed increases advertised. but that would require the user knew about the announcement.
    Perhaps someone should watch their iOS device's performance quantitatively every week or two.

    I can't wait to see developments.
    07-30-2014 03:38 PM
  7. ohgood's Avatar
    Really? IOS 7 runs on hardware that is 4 years old at this point (iPhone 4). Try running any of these other OS's on hardware 4 years old and see how far you get.

    Admittedly, IOS 7 on an iPhone 4 isn't great, but that's more the fault of the hardware vs the software. Some new software features will not work or wont work great so Apple decides to leave it out.
    I run android 4.4.x on a four year old HTC g2, it works fine aside from the time it's slower CPU needs to crunch data on boot and when opening huge vector maps.
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    07-30-2014 04:22 PM
  8. dgr_874's Avatar
    I run android 4.4.x on a four year old HTC g2, it works fine aside from the time it's slower CPU needs to crunch data on boot and when opening huge vector maps.
    And is that officially supported from google like ios 7 on an iPhone 4? I think not.
    07-30-2014 05:31 PM
  9. LTTG's Avatar
    This is how marketing works these days...
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    07-30-2014 05:50 PM
  10. ohgood's Avatar
    And is that officially supported from google like ios 7 on an iPhone 4? I think not.



    i have no idea what is officially supported. you asked for what was possible, i provided personal experience of what is. maybe if your questions were more specific in the future. :-)
    07-30-2014 08:14 PM
  11. dgr_874's Avatar
    i have no idea what is officially supported. you asked for what was possible, i provided personal experience of what is. maybe if your questions were more specific in the future. :-)
    And what did you have to do to do that? I'm sure it wasn't as simple as pressing the upgrade button on the iPhone. But hey, you are awesome with spinning my words to suit your witty comeback, so you win 100 internets. Enjoy.

    The allegation was that Apple was purposely slowing down older phones prior to an upgrade cycle in order to force users to upgrade to the newer software. I find this so absurd that I had to comment. But believe what you want.
    07-30-2014 08:49 PM
  12. ohgood's Avatar
    And what did you have to do to do that? I'm sure it wasn't as simple as pressing the upgrade button on the iPhone. But hey, you are awesome with spinning my words to suit your witty comeback, so you win 100 internets. Enjoy.

    The allegation was that Apple was purposely slowing down older phones prior to an upgrade cycle in order to force users to upgrade to the newer software. I find this so absurd that I had to comment. But believe what you want.
    no spin at all, read your own question, up there, where I quoted it.

    I'll answer this latest question now. what I had to do was download two zip files ( I'm working from memory so this might be off a little) , flash a recovery, then the new operating system.
    07-30-2014 11:07 PM
  13. Paul May's Avatar
    I don't think Apple is intentionally slowing down older phones, but they definitely have a history of being ambivalent at best about backwards compatibility. I think they design each version of iOS with their newest hardware in mind. If the software slows down the older phones, then so be it. That will only incentivise these users to update their hardware.
    I believe the article refers to the increase in slow down searches before the new update is released. What you say makes sense that newer software is not optimized for older hardware, but the way I understood the article there was slowdowns on the older hardware just before the new stuff was released.
    07-31-2014 12:42 AM
  14. StephanW's Avatar
    I believe the article refers to the increase in slow down searches before the new update is released. What you say makes sense that newer software is not optimized for older hardware, but the way I understood the article there was slowdowns on the older hardware just before the new stuff was released.
    How will Apple slowing down specified devices before the OS update?
    07-31-2014 04:06 AM
  15. Paul May's Avatar
    How will Apple slowing down specified devices before the OS update?
    Good question, that's kind of what I was purposing in the original post. Maybe there is a time trigger to bog down phones? Maybe it's just peoples imaginations, but if you look at the graph the spikes are clearly happening right before the release of a new product. I just find this interesting and was hoping somebody had some insight as to why.
    07-31-2014 11:19 AM
  16. Muessig's Avatar
    I think this is all part of planned obsolescence.
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    08-01-2014 02:10 AM
  17. a5cent's Avatar
    Highly unlikely. We know Apple purposefully omits features that could easily run on older hardware, but I don't think devices are purposefully slowed down. If that were true we would definitely already know for sure. It's too easy to prove. I've never seen an iPhone slow down in such a way myself either.

    I'm with those who think this is psychology at work, not technology. Maybe also just people looking for a reason to justify upgrading, rather than actually having the problem themselves.
    Muessig and psudotechzealot like this.
    08-01-2014 02:45 AM
  18. D M C's Avatar
    Is this windows forum?

    Don't you think you should post this thread on iMore forum

    We are MS fans and most of us jealous or hate Android and Apple.
    I don't think you will get honest opinion because most of us do not own Apple products
    Last edited by D M C; 08-01-2014 at 03:20 AM.
    08-01-2014 02:56 AM
  19. BatteryLife's Avatar
    Is this windows forum?

    Don't you think you should post this thread on iMore forum

    We are MS fans and most of us jealous or hate Android and Apple.
    I don't think you will get honest opinion because most of us do not own Apple products
    That's why this is in the Off-Topic Forums... Furthermore, the type of mentality of people (forumers) on each of the Mobile Nations sites are different. Some may enjoy the mindset of some more than the others.

    Oh ya, to answer your question, No, this isn't windows forum, this is more towards Windows Phone forums, there's a difference. And I think its more appropriate to say "some of us" instead of "most of us".
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    08-01-2014 03:30 AM
  20. D M C's Avatar
    That's why this is in the Off-Topic Forums... Furthermore, the type of mentality of people (forumers) on each of the Mobile Nations sites are different. Some may enjoy the mindset of some more than the others.

    Oh ya, to answer your question, No, this isn't windows forum, this is more towards Windows Phone forums, there's a difference. And I think its more appropriate to say "some of us" instead of "most of us".
    I know tthe difference between windows and windows phone.
    But I am clear enough what I want to say.
    And
    I am using wp more than 1 year and during that time I find most of them are hater's.
    I accept that wp users don't hate Apple as they hate Google.
    But that doesn't change facts

    Even in this WPC can you calculate how many threads are on Android and tell me a single thread which isn't show hatred towards Google and Android.
    Some of user may not be hater but most are.
    08-01-2014 03:57 AM
  21. Muessig's Avatar
    I know tthe difference between windows and windows phone.
    But I am clear enough what I want to say.
    And
    I am using wp more than 1 year and during that time I find most of them are hater's.
    I accept that wp users don't hate Apple as they hate Google.
    But that doesn't change facts

    Even in this WPC can you calculate how many threads are on Android and tell me a single thread which isn't show hatred towards Google and Android.
    Some of user may not be hater but most are.
    Now is the time to get back on topic. If you two want to bicker amongst yourselves feel free to do it in pm's.

    As iI eluded to before, I think its a mistake to think any manufacturer makes products built to last, as they want you to keep buying their latest phones. That's not to say they are intentionally showing down our modifying the user experience. I think its most likely a perceived slow down rather than a malicious one.
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    08-01-2014 07:14 AM
  22. MDMcAtee's Avatar
    I think some people like to obsess over their phones regardless of what platform it is on.

    I don't believe Apple is intentionally slowing down the phones,but can see their servers becoming slowed down due to the increase of people who are downloading.

    Posted via Windows Phone Central App
    08-02-2014 10:21 PM
  23. xandros9's Avatar
    I think some people like to obsess over their phones regardless of what platform it is on.

    I don't believe Apple is intentionally slowing down the phones,but can see their servers becoming slowed down due to the increase of people who are downloading.

    Posted via Windows Phone Central App
    I think you're missing it, the load on Apple's servers is irrelevant, it's talking about the spike in searches indicating more people are noticing a slower device right when a new one is announced. I don't think it corresponds with iOS releases, did it?
    08-04-2014 05:10 PM
  24. MDMcAtee's Avatar
    I think you're missing it, the load on Apple's servers is irrelevant, it's talking about the spike in searches indicating more people are noticing a slower device right when a new one is announced. I don't think it corresponds with iOS releases, did it?
    I'm not sure. I will wait until the week before ios8 comes out and have my son carefully monitor his performance on his 4s and see what if anything changes

    Personally I still think it is a placebo effect,if you can call it this. His performance hasn't changed according to him on the other times a upgrade was due out,and mine when I had iPhone never did either
    xandros9 likes this.
    08-04-2014 05:13 PM
  25. StephanW's Avatar
    Or perhaps Apple has this big red button and .... Well use your own imagination.
    08-05-2014 03:55 PM

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