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  1. worldspy99's Avatar
    This is so darn cool. It is art and technology mixed together. Might not quite belong in this thread but anyway here it goes...
    Kurt Hrbst photographs people around the world in his project, ?People_Scans.?
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    02-16-2015 05:44 PM
  2. a5cent's Avatar
    I'm not trying to convince you of anything, I hope you find what you're looking for.
    He's found what he is looking for. He doesn't have to look for anything more. He's just found beauty and meaning in different places than you have.

    Ultimately, both believers and non-believers must learn and understand that we can all legitimately derive inspiration, meaning and morality from different sources. Religion does not own a monopoly on those things.

    For each of us as individuals, I completely agree that religion and science can coexist. On the other hand, that's only possible now because Christianity has retreated from those areas of public discourse where science has proven some traditional religious views to be utterly unmaintainable. Christianity has been adopted and cherry picked into something very different from what it was two thousand years ago, 300 years ago, and even 50 years ago. Christianity has luckily proven to be very flexibly in that regard.

    When we focus on entire societies however, not on individuals, it's a lot more difficult for science and religion to coexist. We must decide what our children are taught at school. We must decide what laws citizens should abide by. We must decide how important it is to protect the planet and preserve it for future generations. For people that believe Jesus will return in the next 20 years, most of those issues are (rationally based on their beliefs) unimportant wastes of time. That is of course an extreme example, but I think the point stands either way. In the public space, I don't think religion and science can coexist, or at least not without both sides constantly waging a war of ideas and values.
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    02-16-2015 07:01 PM
  3. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    [WARN]Let's keep this discussion on topic about science and keep debates on religion elsewhere, such as the Beliefnet forums.

    Keep in mind that there are many different religions, each with different adherents, but this is not the place to debate religion.[/WARN]
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    02-16-2015 09:33 PM
  4. worldspy99's Avatar
    Perfect blend of science and art. Heard this segment during the evening commute today and I thought I'd share this here.
    http://www.npr.org/2015/02/16/386064...ng-earths-fate
    02-16-2015 09:39 PM
  5. worldspy99's Avatar
    Another interesting topic that was covered today and also heard this during the evening commute.
    http://www.npr.org/2015/02/16/386758...wyo-classrooms
    02-16-2015 09:42 PM
  6. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    I'm not trying to convince you of anything, I hope you find what you're looking for.
    Yes, yes I have. It's a wonderful world, universe and life. I feel privileged to be alive and breathing. I plan to enjoy the rest of my time in this brief blip of my existence. I'll revel in the mind blowing things we have learned and gape in awe at the new things we will do an learn in the future. I love life and the here and now.

    The magic of reality is enough for me. The love, family and friendships (both new and old) I have is all I need. That and my continued development and desire to learn as I wander this wonderful landscape called life.

    Are science and faith compatible? That's up to the individual to decide. To me they are polar opposites because one teaches to be satisfied with answers and the other seeks to question everything. They couldn't be more different in my eyes. They also don't require a compatibility, both can exist happily without the other. You don't need faith in science and you don't need science in faith. As humans we are able to compartmentalize our minds to accept both. Many people do this, including some scientists. I just can't.

    I'll leave it there. I could go on about the conflicts but I feel a5cent tackled that well enough.

    We are all here on this thread to enjoy science in all it's forms. I think we should continue in that vein.

    I tend to view history as a science as well. Not sure what other think of that.
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    02-17-2015 03:45 AM
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    02-17-2015 06:49 AM
  8. a5cent's Avatar
    I'd say that anything you can apply the scientific method to is a science.

    Archeology in that sense is certainly a science. Those that study ancient roman stories, taxation- and legal documents and use those to piece together a picture of what those societies looked like and how they functioned are certainly scientists. The only real difference is the level of certainty we can achieve. If we have nothing to verify the occurrence of an event with, other than two slightly contradictory ancient documents, then we can never be 100% sure about the events' truthfulness. Science has never been about claiming 100% truth though. It's always been about discovering as much as we can and only ever claiming to 'know' something if it is supported by a large amount of evidence, and although potentially being disprovable, has resisted all such attempts. As a result, history just tends to deal with a lot more uncertainties than, say, mathematics or chemistry.

    Bible scholars have also turned the study of the bible into a science, and although almost every statement comes with a probability attached to it, it's fascinating regardless.

    So yes, I'd agree with you. Likely for similar reasons I'm guessing...
    02-17-2015 06:56 AM
  9. a5cent's Avatar
    Damn kids took my spacemaster5000 for a joyride and just couldn't take it easy on the accelerator. 😉
    02-17-2015 07:04 AM
  10. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    I'd say that anything you can apply the scientific method to is a science.

    Archeology in that sense is certainly a science. Those that study ancient roman stories, taxation- and legal documents and use those to piece together a picture of what those societies looked like and how they functioned are certainly scientists. The only real difference is the level of certainty we can achieve. If we have nothing to verify the occurrence of an event with, other than two slightly contradictory ancient documents, then we can never be 100% sure about the events' truthfulness. Science has never been about claiming 100% truth though. It's always been about discovering as much as we can and only ever claiming to 'know' something if it is supported by a large amount of evidence, and although potentially being disprovable, has resisted all such attempts. As a result, history just tends to deal with a lot more uncertainties than, say, mathematics or chemistry.

    Bible scholars have also turned the study of the bible into a science, and although almost every statement comes with a probability attached to it, it's fascinating regardless.

    So yes, I'd agree with you. Likely for similar reasons I'm guessing...
    There's a great BBC series called Bible Buried Secrets. It's got three parts. I highly recommend the series. The host is a bible scholar who has an interesting twist on things and I can't help but agree with most of what she says. It's makes a lot of sense.

    Not saying she's 100% correct as with all things with these short series they get chopped up so you never know if you've been given the complete picture.

    If you can find it definitely watch it.
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    02-17-2015 08:39 AM
  11. worldspy99's Avatar
    This is a pretty awesome article. I like Ars Technica better than some of the other tech sites as they are a bit geeky but write some good articles.
    How ?omnipotent? hackers tied to NSA hid for 14 years?and were found at last | Ars Technica

    Scary to say the least. The only option is to physically destroy your hard disk..uh oh...
    02-17-2015 11:25 AM
  12. muneshyne21's Avatar
    To me they are polar opposites because one teaches to be satisfied with answers and the other seeks to question everything.
    That depends on the religion. Jodoshinshu Buddhism (based on a poor farmers kinda buddhism) is very philosophical and open ended. It actually has a lot to do with questioning existence and reality since neither can actually be verified given the fact that its all based on perception. It kinda depends on the reverend and the interpretation but it leans fairly heavily on logic that only a left-brained kinda person would appreciate. I think it would be a perfect "religion" so to speak for physicists that work in multi-dimensional universal theories. I always had "mind-blown" moments when I ever did attend services.
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    02-18-2015 12:56 AM
  13. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    That depends on the religion. Jodoshinshu Buddhism (based on a poor farmers kinda buddhism) is very philosophical and open ended. It actually has a lot to do with questioning existence and reality since neither can actually be verified given the fact that its all based on perception. It kinda depends on the reverend and the interpretation but it leans fairly heavily on logic that only a left-brained kinda person would appreciate. I think it would be a perfect "religion" so to speak for physicists that work in multi-dimensional universal theories. I always had "mind-blown" moments when I ever did attend services.
    I was trying not to be specific about any particular faith for the reason of avoiding pointing fingers at any one.

    All faiths have an essence of superstition or the supernatural. I know some like to point to eastern philosophical religions as a means of joining science and faith together but it still fails in a lot of ways so my point still stands.

    Z3 is posting for me :)
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    02-18-2015 01:22 AM
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  16. worldspy99's Avatar
    Today is Alessandro Volta's birthday. Imagine a world without batteries....
    Alessandro Volta - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    02-18-2015 10:51 AM
  17. muneshyne21's Avatar
    Today is Alessandro Volta's birthday. Imagine a world without batteries....
    Alessandro Volta - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Imagine if we went full steam ahead with batteries instead internal combustion engines. Cities would be much quieter...
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    02-18-2015 02:54 PM
  18. mjrtoo's Avatar
    Imagine if we went full steam ahead with batteries instead internal combustion engines. Cities would be much quieter...
    And the power grid would be decimated.
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    02-18-2015 04:55 PM
  19. Guytronic's Avatar


    I like electricity a lot...
    This old YT is one of my favorites.
    You've all probably seen it many times.
    02-18-2015 05:12 PM
  20. worldspy99's Avatar
    02-18-2015 05:33 PM
  21. a5cent's Avatar
    And the power grid would be decimated.
    Why that? Wouldn't the vast majority of electric cars generally be recharged at night while there is virtually no load on the power grid? I've read quite a few documents stating how the power grid could actually be relieved by leveraging electric cars that are used for people's daily commute and which remain plugged in during peak hours at around noon. In those situations they would not draw but temporarily drain power into the grid.

    Sounds like a good idea to me.
    02-18-2015 05:34 PM
  22. worldspy99's Avatar
    Let's link Science with Sports along with some conjecture and try to have fun while trying to establish a correlation between distraction and basketball.
    ASU Curtain of Distraction: Has Arizona State University discovered the holy grail of free-throw distraction?
    02-18-2015 06:18 PM
  23. worldspy99's Avatar
    Why Do Mirrors Reverse Left and Right but Not Up and Down?
    Physics Girl has it covered :-)

    Physics Girl: Mirrors flipping images.
    02-18-2015 06:27 PM
  24. worldspy99's Avatar
    And you thought that the gigabit internet was really fast...
    http://www.wired.com/2014/06/esnet/
    02-18-2015 10:38 PM
  25. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    I always find it interesting when things like this happen.

    Forgotten fossil found to be new species of ichthyosaur - BBC News
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    02-19-2015 08:20 AM
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