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  1. fatclue_98's Avatar
    This is a science thread and I'm discussing science. If someone were to object to what I'm discussing I hope for their same they have good argument skills and evidence to back them up.
    If someone were to object there would be 2 people to answer to. Regarding my post, I wrongfully assumed that others outside the US had knowledge of the Monkey Trial which was the basis of my comment. Unfortunately, The Renaissance has not reached our shores yet since there are so many members of the Flat Earth Society among us.
    02-11-2015 05:16 PM
  2. worldspy99's Avatar
    No confirmation that it has reached the LaGrange point yet. For a weather satellite it needs to be in a geo stationary orbit.

    Lagrangian point - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Geostationary orbit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    A bunch of kudos on social media though.
    https://twitter.com/search?q=spacex&src=tyah
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    02-11-2015 05:33 PM
  3. worldspy99's Avatar
    Okay this might be slightly off topic but it does take a lot of planning and engineering to pull something like this off.
    The implosion of the Clarion Hotel in Las Vegas.
    Take a peek...
    Wow! Amazing Drone Footage from Vegas' Latest Implosion! - Miles to Memories
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    02-11-2015 05:48 PM
  4. Jonnie LasVegas's Avatar
    Okay this might be slightly off topic but it does take a lot of planning and engineering to pull something like this off.
    The implosion of the Clarion Hotel in Las Vegas.
    Take a peek...
    Wow! Amazing Drone Footage from Vegas' Latest Implosion! - Miles to Memories
    I love going to watch these. I've watched three over the last decade or so. It always leaves me in awe of the power and planning that goes into this kind of a project.
    02-11-2015 05:59 PM
  5. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Okay this might be slightly off topic but it does take a lot of planning and engineering to pull something like this off.
    The implosion of the Clarion Hotel in Las Vegas.
    Take a peek...
    Wow! Amazing Drone Footage from Vegas' Latest Implosion! - Miles to Memories

    Nothing off-topic about it, it's pure physics.
    02-11-2015 06:01 PM
  6. palandri's Avatar
    NASA releases details of Titan submarine concept

    NASA releases details of Titan submarine concept

    We need to explore Titan's methane seas.
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    02-11-2015 06:02 PM
  7. palandri's Avatar
    New Videos Highlight NASA SDO's Fifth Anniversary

    February 11, 2015 marks five years in space for NASA's Solar Dynamics Observatory or SDO, which provides incredibly detailed images of the Earth-facing side of the sun 24 hours a day....

    New Videos Highlight NASA SDO's Fifth Anniversary | NASA
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    02-11-2015 06:06 PM
  8. fatclue_98's Avatar
    NASA releases details of Titan submarine concept

    NASA releases details of Titan submarine concept

    We need to explore Titan's methane seas.
    Yeah, just a wee bit nippy. The good thing is we can have another Star Trek movie and the villainous Artificial Intelligence can be called T-tan.
    02-11-2015 06:09 PM
  9. palandri's Avatar
    On the lighter side
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    02-11-2015 06:17 PM
  10. worldspy99's Avatar
    I love going to watch these. I've watched three over the last decade or so. It always leaves me in awe of the power and planning that goes into this kind of a project.
    Next time you should host a viewing party! I wouldn't mind driving over from LA to watch one of this. Looks pretty cool on video:-)
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    02-11-2015 06:18 PM
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    NASA releases details of Titan submarine concept

    NASA releases details of Titan submarine concept

    We need to explore Titan's methane seas.
    Pretty cool....thanks for posting.
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    02-11-2015 06:19 PM
  12. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    Ask John Thomas Scopes if Darwin was controversial. Don't get me wrong, I strongly believe in Darwin's theory but there are those that don't feel like Creation and Evolution can coexist. It's a shame, but this forum is certainly not the place for that discussion.
    Edit: I shouldn't write this seriously when I just got up!

    I was heading to bed when I saw this. Williams Jennings Bryan's view of evolution was that if we see ourselves as animals then we would treat each other as animals. This was post WW1 which was considered at the time the most brutal. He also won btw, Scopes lost. Most people don't realise that.

    Further note. You don't believe in evolution. You agree with the evidence. Science is a consensus.

    Lastly, what most people don't realise is that the same science that comes up with evolution is the same one that comes up with everything else. Medicines, technology, etc. You cannot pick and choose your science like you do everything else because it either works or it doesn't.
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    02-12-2015 12:10 AM
  13. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    If someone were to object there would be 2 people to answer to. Regarding my post, I wrongfully assumed that others outside the US had knowledge of the Monkey Trial which was the basis of my comment. Unfortunately, The Renaissance has not reached our shores yet since there are so many members of the Flat Earth Society among us.
    I am very well informed when it comes to knowing the history and objections to evolution. Aside from books I've also watched several talks and read several websites on a daily basis.

    I've been to Darwin's house and to Newton's. I own On the Origins of Species and other evolution books.

    I do know however that people who take their holy books too seriously and were raised to argue instead of inquire are not the easiest to talk to our argue with. I know, because I've done it.
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    02-12-2015 12:18 AM
  14. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    There are controversies amongst scientists on the rate of evolution. The "Darwin Wars" pitted Richard Dawkins (proponent of phyletic gradualism) against Stephen Jay Gould (proponent of punctuated equilibrium).
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    02-12-2015 12:43 AM
  15. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    There are controversies amongst scientists on the rate of evolution. The "Darwin Wars" pitted Richard Dawkins (proponent of phyletic gradualism) against Stephen Jay Gould (proponent of punctuated equilibrium).
    There are many such arguments in every field of science. Evolution just seems to get highlighted more.

    Regardless of the fine points, which is what most of these arguments are about, to the lay person, evolution happened. It's not a controversy.

    Posted by my Nexus 7
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    02-12-2015 12:54 AM
  16. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    There are many such arguments in every field of science. Evolution just seems to get highlighted more.

    Regardless of the fine points, which is what most of these arguments are about, to the lay person, evolution happened. It's not a controversy.

    Posted by my Nexus 7
    I agree that evolution happened. Both phyletic gradualism and punctuated equilibrium were covered in my biology courses. We weren't told one or the other was correct. It was up to us to decide which camp we fell in, or if we thought both camps were correct.
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    02-12-2015 12:57 AM
  17. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    I agree that evolution happened. Both phyletic gradualism and punctuated equilibrium were covered in my biology courses. We weren't told one or the other was correct. It was up to us to decide which camp we fell in, or if we thought both camps were correct.
    I wasn't suggesting you were in disagreement. :)

    My point was arguments in science is common and to call them controversies is to mistake what they are.

    Which model I agree with I'm not sure. It's been sometime since I looked at things in that sort of detail. I'm used to trying to convince the grunting masses that evolution is true.
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    02-12-2015 01:26 AM
  18. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    02-12-2015 01:30 AM
  19. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    I wasn't suggesting you were in disagreement. :)

    My point was arguments in science is common and to call them controversies is to mistake what they are.

    Which model I agree with I'm not sure. It's been sometime since I looked at things in that sort of detail. I'm used to trying to convince the grunting masses that evolution is true.
    I completely understand what you're saying.

    The types of arguments between fellow scientists are completely different than those between scientists and some members of the general public without scientific backgrounds.

    The thing that drives me nuts is the statement, "It's just a theory". People who make that statement don't understand what scientific theories are. If something is accepted as a theory, it means that it has been tested and confirmed by other scientists who have gotten the same results.
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    02-12-2015 01:45 AM
  20. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    The thing that drives me nuts is the statement, "It's just a theory". People who make that statement don't understand what scientific theories are. If something is accepted as a theory, it means that it has been tested and confirmed by other scientists who have gotten the same results.
    We are in total agreement here! I wonder if anyone has done research to see when the word 'theory' entered into literature as a 'guess'. I would assume that was after the word was used in science but I'd like to know.

    The other mistake that science has made is using the term 'law'. This implies that it's never to change. Sort of like 'constants'. People don't realise both are capable of change and have been changed. I've heard a few scientist wish that the term 'law' was never used in science and that they stuck to theory.

    If you ever want to retaliate with someone about the use of theory ask the if they like electricity, it is after all, a theory.
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    02-12-2015 04:22 AM
  21. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    Happy Darwin Day! He's 206 and his theory is 156!

    happy-birthday-charles3-202x300.jpg
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    02-12-2015 04:23 AM
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    02-12-2015 05:03 AM
  23. palandri's Avatar
    ....The thing that drives me nuts is the statement, "It's just a theory". People who make that statement don't understand what scientific theories are. If something is accepted as a theory, it means that it has been tested and confirmed by other scientists who have gotten the same results.
    I hear the same thing a lot. If it's an untested, proposed explanation for a phenomenon it's a hypothesis.

    On the subject of evolution the other day, I had a guy tell me, "Wrong. It is just the opinions of scientists, and a lot of that has been disspelled.(sic)".
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    02-12-2015 06:33 AM
  24. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    I hear the same thing a lot. If it's an untested, proposed explanation for a phenomenon it's a hypothesis.

    On the subject of evolution the other day, I had a guy tell me, "Wrong. It is just the opinions of scientists, and a lot of that has been disspelled.(sic)".
    I feel for you. I had one person continually post a link to the Answers in Genesis site about how 50 scientists agree with creation. None of them were biologist. 50 is a fairly small number too.

    Thing is there's too many people out there that think 'scientist' is a general term like 'mechanic' and don't seem to realise they have specialist skills in specific areas.

    You should mention next time that how electricity works is the opinion of scientists as well, so is germs, gravity and so on.

    I do like that term.... dispelled... :P
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    02-12-2015 06:44 AM
  25. AndyCalling's Avatar
    The thing that drives me nuts is the statement, "It's just a theory". People who make that statement don't understand what scientific theories are. If something is accepted as a theory, it means that it has been tested and confirmed by other scientists who have gotten the same results.
    This is, however, largely the fault of the scientific community for redefining a word to suit their purposes and then wondering why the rest of the world misunderstands them. A theory is a speculative position, nothing more. Not only does this sync with the etymological basis for the word, it also remains the common understanding. If only the scientific community had come up with their own word then this confusion would not exist.
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    02-12-2015 06:55 AM
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