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  1. runamuck83's Avatar
    I've observed a disturbing trend. A lot of senior citizens I've seen lately are walking handling $600-$700 dollar phones. Most of these people are likely on a fixed income and are rocking an iPhone 6 and Galaxy S5/6 mind you.
    (Please note, I'm not trying to be ageist here. I'm sure there is a healthy population of seniors who are tech saavy and want these devices. But I also feel like most seniors are being ripped off and want feedback.)

    Now, one has to wonder what an average senior citizen needs their smartphone for. I'm sure some legitimately need all that horsepower - but I'd also venture to say most only need the following.

    1. Make phone calls
    2. Send text messages
    3. Check e-mails
    4. Check Facebook
    5. Maybe use Facebook messenger
    6. MAYBE use the web slightly
    7. MAYBE use a couple apps. Maybe... which ones hard to say.


    Probably somewhat basic requirements, right? Well, why are these people wasting their limited incoming buying these phones when a Windows Phone for a FRACTION of the cost will easily handle those tasks and handle it well?

    My guess is the reasons are as follows:

    1. Their kids told them to get that
    2. The salesmen at the store told them to get that

    I feel like they're spending the limited amount of money they have on something they really don't need and wasting a lot of their money doing so.

    Why aren't more senior folks on Windows Phone??
    09-13-2015 01:43 PM
  2. Michael Tillman's Avatar
    Absolutely. They tricked my grandfather into an iPhone 6 last year at TMOBILE. They told him feature phones are obsolete. He only makes calls and texts. He doesn't use email, he just turned 90! They are crazy!

    I made him return it. He couldn't even dial properly on the touch screen. I got them to waive the restocking fee and he walked out with an LG 450 flip feature phone.

    They obviously wanted a commission or to reach some sales goal. What a scam!

    Now I'm trying to teach him how to use my Lumia 640. If he picks it up I might get him a $50 Lumia 435. But an $800 phone? That's over half his monthly social security check. These people are heartless!
    09-13-2015 01:55 PM
  3. slivy58's Avatar
    I've observed a disturbing trend. A lot of senior citizens I've seen lately are walking handling $600-$700 dollar phones. Most of these people are likely on a fixed income and are rocking an iPhone 6 and Galaxy S5/6 mind you.
    (Please note, I'm not trying to be ageist here. I'm sure there is a healthy population of seniors who are tech saavy and want these devices. But I also feel like most seniors are being ripped off and want feedback.)

    Now, one has to wonder what an average senior citizen needs their smartphone for. I'm sure some legitimately need all that horsepower - but I'd also venture to say most only need the following.

    1. Make phone calls
    2. Send text messages
    3. Check e-mails
    4. Check Facebook
    5. Maybe use Facebook messenger
    6. MAYBE use the web slightly
    7. MAYBE use a couple apps. Maybe... which ones hard to say.


    Probably somewhat basic requirements, right? Well, why are these people wasting their limited incoming buying these phones when a Windows Phone for a FRACTION of the cost will easily handle those tasks and handle it well?

    My guess is the reasons are as follows:

    1. Their kids told them to get that
    2. The salesmen at the store told them to get that

    I feel like they're spending the limited amount of money they have on something they really don't need and wasting a lot of their money doing so.

    Why aren't more senior folks on Windows Phone??
    For one, where I live (Canada) there is very little offerings in the way of Windows phones, low-end /budget included, the L830 is pretty much it and for the price of $500 CAD they can do better.

    I myself even suggest the competition if according to "their needs" suits them best, just because WP can handle the same task in one form or another doesn't mean it'll work or is the best option for them.

    Right now WP w/Win 8.1 is incomplete, lacks features, apps, new hardware amongst other things compared to the completion and, W10 hasn't officially arrived... Some of the uncertainty surrounding WP/W10M as of late plays a big role too.

    So "NO" I don't think seniors are getting ripped off, unless they are not being honest about their needs, in my world those that are not too tech savvy still have flip-phones or IOS devices, the latter I choose to recommend the most if it is warranted.

    Like anything people have to learn to do their homework first, figure out their needs and talk to people they trust, it is standard practice for businesses to "upsell" w/the Mobile Phone market being no different.
    Last edited by Elky64; 09-13-2015 at 02:44 PM.
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    09-13-2015 02:22 PM
  4. RumoredNow's Avatar
    I just got the in-laws set up a week ago with their first ever smart phones...

    Previously they had dumb phones and a WiFi hotspot through Sprint. They live out in the country and their internet options are severely limited for the house.

    They have a new WiFi hotspot through Straight Talk and use a pay as you go with refill cards available at the local Walmart.

    Their former dumb phones had a limit on how many minutes they could use every month and they paid a premium to add in certain callers to not count toward the total. No data, not even for WAP. :(

    I moved the phone service to Cricket and we bundled them in with the wife and I to save them more money. Cricket had Lumia 635 for $30 plus activation so I set them up with 2 Lumia 635s and showed them how to use it. They have unlimited talk, text, MMS and 2.5GB of high speed data before they get slowed. Since they hardly ever use the internet for anything, I'm thinking they will see they don't need the hotspot now that they can look up little things and get email on their phones and they will save more $ when they dump the hotspot.

    As it is they are saving $45 a month with more services, increased flexibility and better coverage, plus increased data speed on their hotspot over Sprint's outdated EV-DO.

    Total cost of equipment and activations for the whole move (2 new phones + 2 activations & one hotspot device with free activation): $140.
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    09-13-2015 02:44 PM
  5. RumoredNow's Avatar
    For one, where I live (Canada) there is very little offerings in the way of Windows phones, low-end /budget included, the L830 is pretty much it and for the price of $500 CAD they can do better...

    ...Like anything people have to learn to do their homework first, figure out their needs and talk to people they trust, it is standard practice for businesses to "upsell" w/the Mobile Phone market being no different.
    If you are comparing only by what can be had walking into a cell phone provider's store then, yes, they can do better.

    If you are comparing only by what can be had walking into a cell phone provider's store then, no, you are not doing your homework to help them.

    The point is avoiding what can only be had walking into a cell phone provider's store. That way lies the rip off no matter what age you are.
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    09-13-2015 02:50 PM
  6. theefman's Avatar
    Could happen with anything, not just WP. Buying a new car, TV, appliance or any major purchase, if you don't know what you want regardless of age, salespeople will take advantage. Nothing new here.


    Sent from my Lumia 1020
    09-13-2015 02:58 PM
  7. slivy58's Avatar
    The point is avoiding what can only be had walking into a cell phone provider's store. That way lies the rip off no matter what age you are.
    Doing your homework is not relegated to the carriers or for that matter the cell phone industry only, it applies to "anything" one purchase and a strategy everyone should follow, if you don't do your due diligence beforehand or just rely on hype then the potential for being "taken for a ride" is much greater.

    The problem I'm seeing is that people have a view that there is only one choice, "their" choice, as for myself I look at it objectively and can see the bad as well as the "GOOD" in what the completion has to offer, what works for me won't necessarily work for others, if anyone (young or old alike) approaches me and asks what they should buy in regards to a cell phone I'll begin drilling them with questions until I get an idea of their needs, only then will I give my recommendations.

    In all the years I have been dealing with carriers not once have I seen a case where anyone (myself included) was coerced into buying something beyond their needs, if I wanted phone-C that's what I got w/o the "yeah but this one is better", not saying it never happens and I'm fully aware it does, just haven't witnessed it nor has anyone brought it to my attention.
    Last edited by Elky64; 09-13-2015 at 03:43 PM.
    09-13-2015 03:21 PM
  8. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Considering the age of my in-laws (78 and 81) it's hard for them to even know what to research in terms of smart phones. If it was something they were familiar with they'd be all over it getting the best value and fit.

    In terms of smart phones I would gladly have recommended what fits best from any number of devices in their budget. It happened to be Windows Phone and Live Tiles. Makes it easy to operate and secure. Does everything they need and then some. Budget-wise, iPhone isn't even a starter and performance and ease of use Android at that budget level is a no go.


    But you, Elky64, said:
    For one, where I live (Canada) there is very little offerings in the way of Windows phones, low-end /budget included, the L830 is pretty much it and for the price of $500 CAD they can do better.
    And that's where I'm faulting your due diligence. You can get any number of Windows Phone devices in Canada. Many Canadians on the board prove this every day.

    This place ships to CA: Smartphones | B&H Photo Video

    How about these folks? Unlocked Phones > Windows Phone Listings - EXPANSYS Canada

    Maybe try here: https://swappa.com/market/ca?ref=mob...pUvbUpU3225336

    Amazon? eBay? Don't they have Canadian sites? Craig's List?

    Come on.... Saying all you can reasonably and easily get for Windows Phone in Canada is a $500 Lumia 830 is demonstrably not true. Yet you use it as the lead off fact on why you don't really recommend Windows Phone for seniors. Don't forget seniors are the focus of this thread.


    As for your assertion:
    ...The problem I'm seeing is that people have a view that there is only one choice, "their" choice, as for myself I look at it objectively and can see the bad as well as the "GOOD" in what the completion has to offer, what works for me won't necessarily work for others, if anyone (young or old alike) approaches me and asks what they should buy in regards to a cell phone I'll begin drilling them with questions until I get an idea of their needs, only then will I give my recommendations....
    I think it is countered by your earlier statement that:
    ...Right now WP w/Win 8.1 is incomplete, lacks features, apps, new hardware amongst other things compared to the completion and, W10 hasn't officially arrived... Some of the uncertainty surrounding WP/W10M as of late plays a big role too...
    It reads to me as if you are letting your use scenario influence what you recommend to others.


    If I knew my in laws needed more Apps than WP would provide - they would have different phones. If I thought any phone in that range would perform as well as the Lumia 635s in the daily use they will put them through - they would have different phones. If I thought WP lacked features they need, that these octogenarians need the most modern hardware, that the OS won't accommodate their use, that somehow Windows Phone 8.1 won't continue functioning properly after the advent of Win 10 Mo - they would be on another platform.


    I'm not sure what your point is beyond caveat emptor. If that is all you mean, I believe that is contrary to the spirit of what the OP wants to express...

    The basic premise of the thread is that many seniors are overpaying for smart phones. Your answer seems to be, "stinks to be them, they should be more careful." Then you go on to say how you recommend that older users stay stuck in the dark ages (flip phone) or that it is good they overpay and go the flagship route.

    o_O
    09-13-2015 04:17 PM
  9. 920Walker's Avatar
    I've seen it and it's disgusting. A good sales person will ask up front what the purchaser's budget is, then the needs and explain if the needs can be met within budget.
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    09-13-2015 04:24 PM
  10. Guytronic's Avatar
    I'm pretty old...I just buy what I want.

    Bet ya 5 bucks folks just buy what they see pushed on the boob tube.
    09-13-2015 04:36 PM
  11. slivy58's Avatar
    And that's where I'm faulting your due diligence. You can get any number of Windows Phone devices in Canada. Many Canadians on the board prove this every day.
    You are correct but I thought the subject was about seniors getting ripped off/paying too much, I highly doubt that this is happening through online purchases such as eBay, craigslist or otherwise, chances are they're going to the carrier outlets, kiosks and the like or even Best Buy. As for being readily available here, I'll stick with my original statement "little offerings" because of the subject matter, so please keep on track.

    I believe that is contrary to the spirit of what the OP wants to express.
    Again... Wasn't the OP talking costs and that the seniors were getting ripped off, I take it the fact they just happen to be premium phones (iPhones/Galaxy's) is third w/ease of use second, as they'll do everything a WP does plus... "too complicated" is subjective, as one OP stated about his grandfather and the iPhone 6 "He couldn't even dial properly on the touch screen", later "Now I'm trying to teach him how to use my Lumia 640", so did he even try to teach him on the iPhone, or, because it was an "iPhone" and he's partial to WP he couldn't be bothered?

    I'm not sure what your point is
    My point is that I may own three WPs but I'm not so narrow minded that it clouds my way of thinking, there are "other" choices that do the same or better aaand, w/WP/W10M being a little bottom heavy right now I am reluctant to recommend it at this point and time.

    It reads to me as if you are letting your use scenario influence what you recommend to others
    Hmm, no, I mostly base their needs on what will work for them and the choices out there, if and only if, what I am holding in my hand turns out to contain the right ingredients sobeit... It is most certainly not determined by "fanboyism" as such is being shown here.
    09-13-2015 06:34 PM
  12. runamuck83's Avatar
    Point of my post wasn't that they should be getting WP. Point was, for what they actually NEED should they be getting a $800 phone when there's Windows Phone offerings that provide what they NEED at a FRACTION of the price. (Lumia 640 for example that is $80 bucks without a contract).

    I wouldn't recommend an $80 Android just because it's sure to perform so poorly the poor ol' chap would rather use it as a coaster than a phone.

    Alternately, I may recommend they get an iPhone 4 or 4S - but surely not a brand spankin' new $800 iPhone 6. C'mon...
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    09-13-2015 07:19 PM
  13. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    Considering the age of my in-laws (78 and 81) it's hard for them to even know what to research in terms of smart phones. If it was something they were familiar with they'd be all over it getting the best value and fit.

    In terms of smart phones I would gladly have recommended what fits best from any number of devices in their budget. It happened to be Windows Phone and Live Tiles. Makes it easy to operate and secure. Does everything they need and then some. Budget-wise, iPhone isn't even a starter and performance and ease of use Android at that budget level is a no go.


    But you, Elky64, said:


    And that's where I'm faulting your due diligence. You can get any number of Windows Phone devices in Canada. Many Canadians on the board prove this every day.

    This place ships to CA: Smartphones | B&H Photo Video

    How about these folks? Unlocked Phones > Windows Phone Listings - EXPANSYS Canada

    Maybe try here: https://swappa.com/market/ca?ref=mob...pUvbUpU3225428

    Amazon? eBay? Don't they have Canadian sites? Craig's List?

    Come on.... Saying all you can reasonably and easily get for Windows Phone in Canada is a $500 Lumia 830 is demonstrably not true. Yet you use it as the lead off fact on why you don't really recommend Windows Phone for seniors. Don't forget seniors are the focus of this thread.


    As for your assertion:


    I think it is countered by your earlier statement that:


    It reads to me as if you are letting your use scenario influence what you recommend to others.


    If I knew my in laws needed more Apps than WP would provide - they would have different phones. If I thought any phone in that range would perform as well as the Lumia 635s in the daily use they will put them through - they would have different phones. If I thought WP lacked features they need, that these octogenarians need the most modern hardware, that the OS won't accommodate their use, that somehow Windows Phone 8.1 won't continue functioning properly after the advent of Win 10 Mo - they would be on another platform.


    I'm not sure what your point is beyond caveat emptor. If that is all you mean, I believe that is contrary to the spirit of what the OP wants to express...

    The basic premise of the thread is that many seniors are overpaying for smart phones. Your answer seems to be, "stinks to be them, they should be more careful." Then you go on to say how you recommend that older users stay stuck in the dark ages (flip phone) or that it is good they overpay and go the flagship route.

    o_O
    Canada doesn't have Craigslist, but they do have Kijiji.
    09-13-2015 07:38 PM
  14. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    iPhones might be useful to seniors if their children and grandchildren have them. I know several older folks who do FaceTime with their children and grandchildren.

    Sent from my Moto X using Tapatalk
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    09-13-2015 07:41 PM
  15. 920Walker's Avatar
    iPhones might be useful to seniors if their children and grandchildren have them. I know several older folks who do FaceTime with their children and grandchildren.

    Sent from my Moto X using Tapatalk
    Their children should install Skype and let their parents use the extra money for a vacation, and more presents.

    I've never used Facetime or owned an iPhone but don't care for being held down by single OS use apps.
    09-13-2015 08:37 PM
  16. tgp's Avatar
    Their children should install Skype and let their parents use the extra money for a vacation, and more presents.
    Using Skype isn't really a good argument for WP, judging by all the complaints about its WP app!

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    09-13-2015 10:55 PM
  17. Indistinguishable's Avatar
    Canada doesn't have Craigslist, but they do have Kijiji.
    TIL Canadians are patient enough to say & read words with five consecutive i's & j's.

    Americans would not put up with that eye sore.
    09-13-2015 10:58 PM
  18. ven07's Avatar
    I've never used Facetime or owned an iPhone but don't care for being held down by single OS use apps.
    Never used it so don't bash it :p Works quite well actually. It's a shame it's limited to iOS, but then again, it was a smart move in my opinion
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    09-13-2015 11:08 PM
  19. 920Walker's Avatar
    Never used it so don't bash it :p Works quite well actually. It's a shame it's limited to iOS, but then again, it was a smart move in my opinion
    Stating it's limited to APL, as you did, is not bashing the app. It's a fact.
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    09-13-2015 11:21 PM
  20. RumoredNow's Avatar
    I have to agree with 920Walker...

    Getting seniors to shell out for an iPhone so they can video call their children and grandchildren is ridiculous. Especially if that is the sole reason the seniors "need" an iPhone.

    Skype works everywhere, including iPhone so if the "loving children" won't let their elderly parents video call the grandlings unless it is on Facetime that would be on the youngers and not the elders.

    I've gone around on this exclusivity topic many times on this board with many different users. I've heard it more than a few times,"My (insert relationship) won't talk to me because I don't have (insert App like Facetime, iMessage, WhatsApp, SnapChat, knick-knack-paddy-whack...)" My response is always the same: I call Bull Snot. If there is a cross device way to contact an important other and contact does not happen because the important other is not on a platform dependent method, it is insulting and belittling to the person being cut out. Don't tell me ease or habit or convenience. The refusal to compromise and accommodate is a direct contradiction to the professed importance of the relationship.
    09-14-2015 12:22 AM
  21. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    Another thing that is overlooked is that not all seniors are poor or ignorant about tech.

    I know retired folks who are collecting multiple pensions (rather affluent) and travel frequently. They are very tech-savvy, since they got computers when many members here were either children or not even born. These folks use mobile apps to book their flights/hotel rooms, in addition to using video calling and social media apps.
    09-14-2015 12:47 AM
  22. Guytronic's Avatar
    A deflection here if I may.
    At what age would one be considered senior?

    I retired 2 months before my 55th birthday...
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    09-14-2015 01:19 AM
  23. ven07's Avatar
    Ok so I wouldn't try to sell it as "the must have feature if you're old so you can stay in contact with your kin", but it's a nice feature that is limited to one platform. If you want it, you need an iPhone, so smart business :p
    09-14-2015 02:03 AM
  24. Guytronic's Avatar
    Billions on this planet are victims of commerce.
    Some love a great sales pitch and don't mind taking the fall...some will always hold up a cross to drive off aggressive salespeople.

    Selling and consumerism are the way of the modern world.
    Without these the stock market would fall back to a low point value and there's no fun in that :)
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    09-14-2015 02:20 AM
  25. Visa Declined's Avatar
    If the seniors were walking around with flagship Windows Phones, this thread would probably be a discussion about how great of a choice they made. But since it's iPhone's and Androids they're buying, the seniors are obviously unknowledgeable, and somebody must have taken advantage of them.

    *edit*

    FWIW, my parents are both retired seniors, and my dad built his own gaming PC. He plays Skyrim all day, and he even has Nexus Mod Manager installed to make the female character he plays run around buck naked. My Mom controls the entertainment system to her TV with the Galaxy Note III she bought. I'm 46, and I have no doubt that when I'm retired, I still be here debating about which phone coming out can clock the highest benchmark. Being old does not make a person tech illiterate by proxy.
    09-14-2015 04:14 AM
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