1. abhishek singh21's Avatar
    To begin with majority of android users mod their devices right out of the box with custom ROMs and tools. Taking your device to the extremes with overclocking are windows phone users missing out on something?

    we windows phone users are more of stock lovers with only one direction to go ahead rather that implementing new ROMs or mods. With insiders being the only road to test something new how do you feel for android users?

    Androidians what are your take n the caged Lumians?

    Are windows phone users softer than the counter part android users, or are androidians more agressive in juicing out the most out of their devices and resources?

    shout it out:>
    Last edited by abhishek singh21; 09-16-2016 at 10:03 AM.
    09-16-2016 09:37 AM
  2. raycpl's Avatar
    I observed WP users use their thumbs more than fingers when using their phone??

    ....!!
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    09-16-2016 09:53 AM
  3. tgp's Avatar
    To begin with majority of android users mod their devices right out of the box with custom ROMs and tools.
    I don't have any statistics, but I'm pretty sure this is not quite accurate. Few android users actually mod their devices, relatively speaking. It is difficult for us to understand the magnitude of Android's presence, and it sells somewhere around 3 million devices per day. About a year ago a report said that there are 1.4 billion active android devices, and there are probably more by now. To say that the majority of android users mod their devices right out of the box is quite presumptuous!

    I think it seems like a lot of Android users mod their devices because they are the ones that are active on the forums. You know how reading down over fan forums of different devices/operating systems it seems that the majority have issues? Problems are what get reported. Modders are also active on forums.
    09-16-2016 12:51 PM
  4. aximtreo's Avatar
    What about those of us that don't know which we are. I have a 950 XL and a Note 5.I have swapped the SIM card 3 times in the past week. While I'm using the Note 5, I remember how easy WP is to use and how much I like live tiles. Then I want to listen to a Major League Baseball game so I switch back to the Note 5 for the MLB app.

    Guess that Apps, Apps, Apps, statement has some merit but it breaks my heart. Here we WP owners have the greatest hardware and software going and we are unhappy about the App gap.

    Before you throw me under the bus on the hardware and software statement, I know there are more specked phones out there with more versatile software. Then why do I keep coming back to my 950 XL with the cracked screen.

    Now, I fully understand the saying that women have the perogative to change their minds at a whim. I admit it, I'm guilty but hehe, I kind of like it.
    09-16-2016 12:53 PM
  5. libra89's Avatar
    I don't have any statistics, but I'm pretty sure this is not quite accurate. Few android users actually mod their devices, relatively speaking. It is difficult for us to understand the magnitude of Android's presence, and it sells somewhere around 3 million devices per day. About a year ago a report said that there are 1.4 billion active android devices, and there are probably more by now. To say that the majority of android users mod their devices right out of the box is quite presumptuous!

    I think it seems like a lot of Android users mod their devices because they are the ones that are active on the forums. You know how reading down over fan forums of different devices/operating systems it seems that the majority have issues? Problems are what get reported. Modders are also active on forums.
    Basically what @tgp said.

    The only thing I would add is what I still standby. In order of customization, iOS has the least (3rd party keyboard, change wallpapers), Windows Mobile is in the center (you can adjust the size of tiles, add a background to tiles or not, have theme colors, have a full screen background, resize icons, and move those as you like), and Android has the most. I don't need to list everything for Android because you can change so much.

    In a general sense, people do move and remove icons from their main home screens on Android. On Windows Mobile, it is the same deal. To an extent, I would say that Windows Mobile and Android are very similar to what they offer, so people are expected to do the same things.

    My dad has a Lumia 640 and he is still on 8.1, no background for the tile, just theme color only, and with gaps in his home screen.My mom has an Android and she's always moving her weather widget by accident...
    09-16-2016 03:29 PM
  6. Guytronic's Avatar
    To begin with majority of android users mod their devices right out of the box with custom ROMs and tools.
    I disagree with the above.
    Far as I know most Android users don't mod their devices with unlocked bootloaders and new ROMs.
    mark233, aximtreo, a5cent and 7 others like this.
    09-16-2016 03:46 PM
  7. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    To begin with majority of android users mod their devices right out of the box with custom ROMs and tools. Taking your device to the extremes with overclocking are windows phone users missing out on something?
    I don't. I unlocked the bootloader, rooted a Nexus device and installed Xposed once just to try it, but it didn't provide any real benefit other than the geek credibility that I could say I did it.

    My Android devices are not rooted now and don't have any custom ROMs at this point. I don't see any benefits to it for my current usage.
    09-16-2016 04:43 PM
  8. abhishek singh21's Avatar
    even though none of us ever keep the stock rom or the rooting customization for perm use but we all have tried it once.

    being rational, android does have a lot of out of the box tweaks to keep your old phone alive and feel alive with those tweaks.

    Microsoft has done well to somewhat give the same to windows phone users through insiders , not entirely same but yes a way to test new OS on your devices.

    In developing nations like mine (india) we buy a phone to keep it for at least 2 years if nothing fatal happens with the device and obviously after only a few months anybody will feel kind of bored with the device & would like to do something new and change the look and feel of the device. we have launchers to do that but that is just niche customization , whereas you can flash new roms .


    and that is the reason why even the most negligible users who dont care what build their device is on what update is scheduled to roll-out are becoming insiders on microsoft , just to taste the new -to have something more than just what the device has to offer.
    windows phone users are also the most update hungry , and believe me i felt the same way for the 4 years with lumia.

    while a good proportion of androidians dont care much about any system updates ( leaving aside google nexus ), they are more of less satisfied with what they got running on their devices+many OEMs dont provide a single update even to their flagship models ( null out nexus and samsung here)

    Biggest names of mobile manufacturers in india like Micromax has not updated their flagship devices yet to MM. Android central has a very informative article about that.
    but that hasn't affected micromax in anyway and there has been no outcry about that from the public.
    09-16-2016 10:49 PM
  9. tgp's Avatar
    I don't. I unlocked the bootloader, rooted a Nexus device and installed Xposed once just to try it, but it didn't provide any real benefit other than the geek credibility that I could say I did it.

    My Android devices are not rooted now and don't have any custom ROMs at this point. I don't see any benefits to it for my current usage.
    It's pretty much the same for me. I did root and ROM with my first Android devices back in the Froyo and Gingerbread days, but I haven't done any of that for a couple years now. It simply isn't necessary. That said, you can get some additional functionality if you do it, but there is often a tradeoff. For example, Android Pay does not always work on a rooted device.
    wgs84, a5cent, aximtreo and 3 others like this.
    09-16-2016 11:18 PM
  10. Guytronic's Avatar
    It simply isn't necessary. That said, you can get some additional functionality if you do it, but there is often a tradeoff. For example, Android Pay does not always work on a rooted device.
    The above is true plus ROMs can disable hardware features such as fingerprint sensors and trash things like built in camera apps.

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    09-16-2016 11:42 PM
  11. tgp's Avatar
    The above is true plus ROMs can disable hardware features such as fingerprint sensors and trash things like built in camera apps.
    Yes that is correct.

    Androidians what are your take n the caged Lumians?
    I think you answered your question right here, with the word "caged". Android has a very active dev community. This is no doubt because of what it is possible to do on Android. With Windows Phone, you can do little more than install the Insider builds.
    09-17-2016 12:56 AM
  12. wgs84's Avatar
    It's pretty much the same for me. I did root and ROM with my first Android devices back in the Froyo and Gingerbread days, but I haven't done any of that for a couple years now. It simply isn't necessary. That said, you can get some additional functionality if you do it, but there is often a tradeoff. For example, Android Pay does not always work on a rooted device.
    Exactly the same for me. I used to love rooting and installing customs ROMs on my Android devices, but now I just want want to use my device. It was fun and sometimes useful at first with the elevated permissions and new functions, but I just don't want to waste my time with that stuff anymore. And honestly, Android nowadays works very well even without root. It's been five months since I got my GS7, and not once have I felt the need to root it. It just works.
    Laura Knotek, tgp, libra89 and 3 others like this.
    09-17-2016 01:26 AM
  13. tgp's Avatar
    And honestly, Android nowadays works very well even without root.
    Android devices (other than maybe the $20 throwaways) for the most part can now claim what is said about iPhones: they "just work".
    09-17-2016 01:39 AM
  14. abhishek singh21's Avatar
    Android has a very active dev community. This is no doubt because of what it is possible to do on Android. With Windows Phone, you can do little more than install the Insider builds.
    and why android has that big dev following is because it is open sourced (yes huge sales too), microsoft should consider turning windows phone open sourced so that devs could start mingling with it and come out with something amazing. and we will see more than just insider builds on the LUmias.

    Imagining an open sourced windows phone OS , customized with much more defined and extensive user interface .The windows phone concept that we have seen on youtube can come true .


    Now open sourcing an OS has its own dis-advantages as well, like making it potentially vulnerable to malware attacks but the sheer pros of that outweighs the dangers.
    How about bringing in windows defender to lumia? if microsoft wants to put a piece of PC in our hands it should make windows phone open sourced and with windows defender as default antivirus and firewall.
    09-17-2016 02:06 AM
  15. xandros9's Avatar
    and why android has that big dev following is because it is open sourced (yes huge sales too), microsoft should consider turning windows phone open sourced so that devs could start mingling with it and come out with something amazing. and we will see more than just insider builds on the LUmias.

    Imagining an open sourced windows phone OS , customized with much more defined and extensive user interface .The windows phone concept that we have seen on youtube can come true .


    Now open sourcing an OS has its own dis-advantages as well, like making it potentially vulnerable to malware attacks but the sheer pros of that outweighs the dangers.
    How about bringing in windows defender to lumia? if microsoft wants to put a piece of PC in our hands it should make windows phone open sourced and with windows defender as default antivirus and firewall.
    Uhh not really. Linux is open-source and desktop Windows is closed-source. Windows has a much larger dev community. Opening the source for Windows Phone will do little for the platform. (also see webOS)

    Android is popular because it came out on top a few years ago when the phone arena was still hot.

    Also being open source does not make it more vulnerable, it can actually make it more secure depending. Also Defender is not necessary and it won't be because of architectural, design and popularity reasons.
    09-17-2016 07:11 AM

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