1. vEEP pEEP's Avatar
    Hello,

    Is there a fast way to clear my cell phone of browsing history, any kind of instant messaging (txt, whatsapp) and email history, lock online account so they don't automatically open?

    Why I am asking is - border security agents in Canada/US can now ask you for you phone and search it's history.

    I don't care if they Bing me but actually going through my phone?

    It's like a digital cavity search.

    I'd prefer not to leave my phone at home when I travel.

    Suggestions?

    Thanks,

    Mr. V
    02-17-2017 07:51 PM
  2. gpobernardo's Avatar
    Yes. Perform a hard reset. Don't restore afterwards.

    But then, security officials will be suspicious of you. In general, those who encountered resistance are those who've put up resistance in the first place. Those who simply gave their phone without question were usually allowed to go through with ease.
    02-20-2017 10:27 PM
  3. shmsnh's Avatar
    Is this... legal?
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    02-20-2017 11:12 PM
  4. xandros9's Avatar
    02-20-2017 11:47 PM
  5. TgeekB's Avatar
    They would be bored out of their minds of they looked at mine.

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    02-21-2017 04:51 PM
  6. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Is this... legal?
    According to Agent Orange it is.

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    02-21-2017 05:00 PM
  7. vEEP pEEP's Avatar
    So give up your privacy? Just like that?

    Since when is privacy a crime? My whole point is, I don't want the government going into my life without cause. They have my travel history because of my passport, they can Bing Me, they can question me, why go through my phone. II also did my pre checks (Nexus).

    My bet, they ALREADY monitor that my internet traffic!

    Also - I don't think it is just the government. These are individual going through my stuff. I don't want them seeing my personal photos, conversations.

    Do we really believe "If you have nothing to hide, then anyone should be no problem."

    What next, everybody gets a cavity search?

    Just my thoughts....see my point? Or we just happy giving it over?

    Yes. Perform a hard reset. Don't restore afterwards.

    But then, security officials will be suspicious of you. In general, those who encountered resistance are those who've put up resistance in the first place. Those who simply gave their phone without question were usually allowed to go through with ease.
    02-21-2017 07:14 PM
  8. TgeekB's Avatar
    So give up your privacy? Just like that?

    Since when is privacy a crime? My whole point is, I don't want the government going into my life without cause. They have my travel history because of my passport, they can Bing Me, they can question me, why go through my phone. II also did my pre checks (Nexus).

    My bet, they ALREADY monitor that my internet traffic!

    Also - I don't think it is just the government. These are individual going through my stuff. I don't want them seeing my personal photos, conversations.

    Do we really believe "If you have nothing to hide, then anyone should be no problem."

    What next, everybody gets a cavity search?

    Just my thoughts....see my point? Or we just happy giving it over?
    I think there are two ways to look at it.
    Some people, like yourself, worry about this stuff excessively even though the chances of it ever happening to you are slim. This is not a knock on you, just an observation.
    Other people could care less and don't worry at all, even if it does happen.
    I'm in the middle. Be smart but enjoy your life without excessive worry.
    You have to do what's best for you.

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    02-21-2017 07:25 PM
  9. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Some people, like yourself, worry about this stuff excessively even though the chances of it ever happening to you are slim.
    I don't know his ethnicity but as a Cuban living in Miami, it gives me pause.
    02-21-2017 08:07 PM
  10. TgeekB's Avatar
    I don't know his ethnicity but as a Cuban living in Miami, it gives me pause.
    Pause is one thing and understandable.
    Excessive worry is a whole other level.
    There has to be a middle ground where we can be smart and cautious while maintaining our sanity. Otherwise we lose.
    I do understand as a white male i have privilege's others do not.


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    02-21-2017 08:10 PM
  11. vEEP pEEP's Avatar
    Sage advice.

    I think there are two ways to look at it.
    Some people, like yourself, worry about this stuff excessively even though the chances of it ever happening to you are slim. This is not a knock on you, just an observation.
    Other people could care less and don't worry at all, even if it does happen.
    I'm in the middle. Be smart but enjoy your life without excessive worry.
    You have to do what's best for you.

    Sent from my Alcatel Idol 4S
    02-21-2017 08:29 PM
  12. vEEP pEEP's Avatar
    That is EXACTLY the point.

    I don't know his ethnicity but as a Cuban living in Miami, it gives me pause.
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    02-21-2017 08:30 PM
  13. fatclue_98's Avatar
    I do understand as a white male i have privilege's others do not.
    I say pause because without looking at my name you'd think I'm white. I speak perfect English and even have a tinge of a drawl because I spent my first five years in Jacksonville, Fl. aka South Georgia. Believe me, I've been pulled over by cops and their whole facial expression and attitude changes after they see my D/L. It's subtle, but very disconcerting.

    I don't believe in white privilege, nobody asked to be born of a particular race or national origin. I do believe in racial profiling though. It's real.
    Last edited by fatclue_98; 02-21-2017 at 09:07 PM. Reason: Grammatical errors fit for a 1st grader.
    02-21-2017 09:05 PM
  14. vEEP pEEP's Avatar
    On the phone I sound quite 'normal'. Look at my place of birth - harmless. Look at my face, and I think the border guards will ask questions.
    To be honest, all my travel experiences have been good, and I hope my travel history carries me, but with the recent changes in some governments, I think they will be more emboldened.

    And am not interested in giving up my phone to a border agent. Do it for all or none. I suspect a lot of lighter colored folk would resent it, and there would be a change. Let's see how many people decide 'Well, I have nothing to hide, I will let this stranger look at pictures of my family, read my conversations, banking info, personal info...because I have nothing to hide".

    Yes, it is an issue because at the time of travel, I do not know the outcome. If I knew 100% they would check my phone, I would not bring it or just not go. If I do choose to travel, I cannot easily turn back - cost of ticket, time etc. This is also new. I accept being finger printed (going to Japan) and being questioned (any border) and I can't stop them from Bing'ing me. Taking my phone? You might as well do a strip search and call that regular protocol.

    And don't just think about yourself. Think about your loved ones - having to expose their personal life to strangers.



    I say pause because without looking at my name you'd think I'm white. I speak perfect English and even have a tinge of a drawl because I spent my first five years in Jacksonville, Fl. aka South Georgia. Believe me, I've been pulled over by cops and their whole facial expression and attitude changes after they see my D/L. It's subtle, but very disconcerting.

    I don't believe in white privilege, nobody asked to be born of a particular race or national origin. I do believe in racial profiling though. It's real.
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    02-22-2017 03:48 PM
  15. TgeekB's Avatar
    I say pause because without looking at my name you'd think I'm white. I speak perfect English and even have a tinge of a drawl because I spent my first five years in Jacksonville, Fl. aka South Georgia. Believe me, I've been pulled over by cops and their whole facial expression and attitude changes after they see my D/L. It's subtle, but very disconcerting.

    I don't believe in white privilege, nobody asked to be born of a particular race or national origin. I do believe in racial profiling though. It's real.
    It's not the way it should be, but until we advance as humans it is reality for some. It's a shame we can't figure out how to get along.

    Sent from my Alcatel Idol 4S
    02-22-2017 06:48 PM
  16. TgeekB's Avatar
    And am not interested in giving up my phone to a border agent. Do it for all or none. I suspect a lot of lighter colored folk would resent it, and there would be a change. Let's see how many people decide 'Well, I have nothing to hide, I will let this stranger look at pictures of my family, read my conversations, banking info, personal info...because I have nothing to hide".
    This part is key. Until more people like myself (light skinned) stand up and say "no", nothing will change. I have become much more vocal during and after the last U.S. election. I don't know if it will help, but I'm not staying quiet any more.

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    02-22-2017 06:55 PM
  17. fatclue_98's Avatar
    This part is key. Until more people like myself (light skinned) stand up and say "no", nothing will change. I have become much more vocal during and after the last U.S. election. I don't know if it will help, but I'm not staying quiet any more.

    Sent from my Alcatel Idol 4S
    Kudos mi hermano. Tell Lord Cheetoh we're a better country than this.

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    02-22-2017 07:03 PM
  18. gpobernardo's Avatar
    So give up your privacy? Just like that?

    Since when is privacy a crime? My whole point is, I don't want the government going into my life without cause. They have my travel history because of my passport, they can Bing Me, they can question me, why go through my phone. II also did my pre checks (Nexus).

    My bet, they ALREADY monitor that my internet traffic!

    Also - I don't think it is just the government. These are individual going through my stuff. I don't want them seeing my personal photos, conversations.

    Do we really believe "If you have nothing to hide, then anyone should be no problem."

    What next, everybody gets a cavity search?

    Just my thoughts....see my point? Or we just happy giving it over?
    I didn't say give up your privacy. The quote says wipe your phone clean, but then there are others who just give their phone without question (which could mean that they don't have any sensitive info in their phone anyway). I didn't use the words "hide" and "crime". But what I should emphasize is that if security personnel encounter a phone that has just been wiped clean or that has "nothing" in it then they could become suspicious.

    If that happened to me, I'd give a condition that I should be watching them as they do so as my right as a civilian.

    How long do you think security personnel would remember everything they see? A few days? A few seconds? If they don't see anything suspicious or different in you or how you act, I'd bet they'd forget you instantly. Notice I said "you", not "your phone". Part of their training is spotting unusual body language signals, especially being nervous, defensive, jumpy. If the person is "off" and "unusual", then that person will most likely attract the attention of these personnel.
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    02-25-2017 01:40 PM
  19. fatclue_98's Avatar
    I didn't say give up your privacy. The quote says wipe your phone clean, but then there are others who just give their phone without question (which could mean that they don't have any sensitive info in their phone anyway). I didn't use the words "hide" and "crime". But what I should emphasize is that if security personnel encounter a phone that has just been wiped clean or that has "nothing" in it then they could become suspicious.

    If that happened to me, I'd give a condition that I should be watching them as they do so as my right as a civilian.

    How long do you think security personnel would remember everything they see? A few days? A few seconds? If they don't see anything suspicious or different in you or how you act, I'd bet they'd forget you instantly. Notice I said "you", not "your phone". Part of their training is spotting unusual body language signals, especially being nervous, defensive, jumpy. If the person is "off" and "unusual", then that person will most likely attract the attention of these personnel.
    I wish their training was as you state. Unfortunately, it's a little more sinister than that. They're playing by a new set of rules.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...port/98379082/
    02-25-2017 05:21 PM
  20. vEEP pEEP's Avatar
    Thanks for the comments - interesting points

    I think people are intimidated by border security so they will trip up. Not sure that is an accident.

    I am not concerned so much about what they remember. They might, who knows? But it's like being strip searched. You are naked before them, being examined. They probably won't remember you, but would you still mind?

    They have OTHER screening methods. Your passport has your name, you get fingerprinted, they can question you, - they can easily find out more about you. A cell phone is deceptive - they see some picture and make a judgement about you. Also you wipe it and you are suspicious because you don't want someone to invade your privacy? If I leave my cell at home, I am also suspicious? Why are we assumed guilty? It is incredible.

    What if you have anti government pictures (which are everywhere), pro choice info, the 'wrong' religion comments, to a biased border guard? What if you just have something they don't like...I don't know you like cats over dogs?

    ***Do you have a right as a civilian to watch them as they look at your phone contents***???

    This whole procedure is new, and seems so rushed. I agree with safety and checking, but going for someone's phone should be a much later resort. Do proper investigative work first.

    I didn't say give up your privacy. The quote says wipe your phone clean, but then there are others who just give their phone without question (which could mean that they don't have any sensitive info in their phone anyway). I didn't use the words "hide" and "crime". But what I should emphasize is that if security personnel encounter a phone that has just been wiped clean or that has "nothing" in it then they could become suspicious.

    If that happened to me, I'd give a condition that I should be watching them as they do so as my right as a civilian.

    How long do you think security personnel would remember everything they see? A few days? A few seconds? If they don't see anything suspicious or different in you or how you act, I'd bet they'd forget you instantly. Notice I said "you", not "your phone". Part of their training is spotting unusual body language signals, especially being nervous, defensive, jumpy. If the person is "off" and "unusual", then that person will most likely attract the attention of these personnel.
    02-25-2017 05:28 PM
  21. vEEP pEEP's Avatar
    Wow -that is just crazy.
    I always thought border guards kept a history of transit. They would know if questions were already asked and answered. Sure they could ask again to test, but photos, biometrics, communicating with other border agencies...

    Here is to hoping things work out.

    I wish their training was as you state. Unfortunately, it's a little more sinister than that. They're playing by a new set of rules.

    Muhammad Ali Jr. detained by immigration officials at Fla. airport
    02-27-2017 10:18 AM
  22. vEEP pEEP's Avatar
    I know you have a sense of humour.
    I would not be the the only one that had access if a border personnel take it. My browser history is my business on my phone, just like it is on my computer. I don't want them to see what I am looking at without cause. To put it another way. I am not part of the majority. On paper I am. But with all the recent changes, I think any excuse or bias to prevent my fair travel is being jeopardized. When a person born in Canada is turned away and told to get an immigrant visa to travel to the US - something is wrong. Canadians do not need visas to travel to the US.
    This is my concern.
    Btw, never had an issue before. Well once, I was at LAX and sent to segregated area because border official was inept. In this section there were a bunch of non English speakers. The border official at this window looked at my passport and me and said "what are you doing here, you should have gone straight through" and sent me on my way. If I looked like the majority - this would not have happened.

    But I get your point!

    just simply browse on incognito mode, no logs are kept, no cookies are stored, as far as i am aware. Btw, why are you so concern about your browsing history, its supposed to be your phone, only you have the access :p
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    03-20-2017 07:28 PM
  23. ejbrod1's Avatar
    I know this is not a great reply however, why not buy a burner just for the trip. I always have a second phone for travelling with, nothing on it, just contacts copied to the SIM.
    06-07-2017 08:51 AM
  24. vEEP pEEP's Avatar
    It's not a bad idea - just have to take the time to load all the apps when I get to my destination. I like a nice camera - 21 MP on my 930 is nice.

    But you have a good point...

    I know this is not a great reply however, why not buy a burner just for the trip. I always have a second phone for travelling with, nothing on it, just contacts copied to the SIM.
    06-07-2017 09:16 PM
  25. ejbrod1's Avatar
    Yes, you can wipe when leaving and restore when arriving at your destination. :)
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    06-08-2017 02:39 AM

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