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  1. sleeve22's Avatar
    You mean like when phone carriers give you the phone for free for signing up to a contract? You mean penetration pricing like that?
    Try google or Bing. The idea is to charge a low price for a new product or service to grow the user base and once you have a user base you begin to charge prices not much different from your competitors. So you could think the initial price as being free, and now we have to pay for those GBs above 5.
    11-09-2015 10:44 PM
  2. BlueSky2008's Avatar
    I've started using OneDrive along with my first Windows phone in 2014, at first I was pretty happy about 15Gb + Camera 15Gb Cloud FREE storage offer, also turned on auto upload of Pictures and Videos on Phone settings. 30Gb of free cloud storage was awesome, but I always suspected that this day will come eventually. About a few months ago I decided to backup all my OneDrive stuff to portable hard drive, setting imaginary limit for me in Cloud to maximum of 5GB. Turns out it was a smart decision, to have on cloud no more than 5GB of data. From 28Gb to 2.7 keeping only stuff I need on the move, or for sharing with others. I'm a bit disappointed because of this news, but as all things good it has to end someday. I guess I'll have to rely on OneDrive and Yandex.disk, which offers 10Gb and offline viewing on my Lumia.
    You can upload picture to Flickr via Flickr Central.
    Thanks Microsoft's changes because this change will help me move to Android world. I will use BB Priv or Droid Turbo 2
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    11-09-2015 11:08 PM
  3. Reflexx's Avatar
    That's unrelated to the point of my comment, but I don't see that it's any different than the way most other companies handle "free" stuff. Netflix and any music service I can think of come to mind. It seems you are just looking for criticism at this point without providing any market context.
    Netflix ddidn'tget me to purchase hardware with limited storage saying that 15gb+15gb camera roll would be more than enough to compensate... then take it away after receiving my money only to claim that they have a new deal for me to take more of my money later.

    ...especially when I already have Office.
    11-10-2015 12:12 AM
  4. Reflexx's Avatar
    Windows 10 is free so that they can get the people using Windows XP, Vista, 7, 8 and 8.1 to switch...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_...rating_systems
    Then can we later expect them to limit its usage?

    Maybe we can only use it 4 hrs a day. They can blame it on the people who "excessively" leave their computers online 24 hrs a day.
    Last edited by Reflexx; 11-10-2015 at 01:42 AM.
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    11-10-2015 12:27 AM
  5. Alex Athanasiou's Avatar
    Excellent point.
    11-10-2015 12:42 AM
  6. aybarrap1's Avatar
    So who's gonna pay for the development of W10?

    I'm pretty sure it will be big business that pays part of the bill. Remember that Enterprise editions of pre Windows 10 do not get to update for free. And with so many locked into the standards of the Microsoft ecosystem options will be limited. Yes Linux OS is free but the deployment of it on a large scale is expensive considering factors such as training employees how to use it. Since many home computers and tablets will be pushed a free upgrade to 10, this means users will have to adapt.
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    11-10-2015 01:04 AM
  7. adamjoshuhill's Avatar
    Microsoft effectively instituted a price increase, like every other company on the planet that sells things. Are you saying that anytime a maker/seller of goods and services raises prices they are acting in bad faith? If so, please give back every pay raise you've ever received because you're acting in bad faith as an employee. Or do these rules not apply to you because you're special?
    Microsoft didn't raise the price (for the free tier) it was and always be a **** move
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    11-10-2015 01:17 AM
  8. pechio's Avatar
    Microsoft effectively instituted a price increase, like every other company on the planet that sells things. Are you saying that anytime a maker/seller of goods and services raises prices they are acting in bad faith? If so, please give back every pay raise you've ever received because you're acting in bad faith as an employee. Or do these rules not apply to you because you're special?
    I would pay $0.99 for 30 but not 1.99 for 50 with no option for a 100 or 200... and I don't like apples or oranges.
    11-10-2015 01:34 AM
  9. Great deal's Avatar
    I cant see MS charging for Windows 10 - not for the next 3 years at least. How would they support pricing in India compared to the UK for example. W10 will allow them to make money from other avenues.
    Then can we later expect them to limit its usage?

    Maybe we can only use it 4 hrs a day. They can blame it on the people who "excessively" leave their computers online 24 hrs a day.
    11-10-2015 02:02 AM
  10. mariusmuntean's Avatar
    So if 5GB is useless, then even 15GB is only marginally less useless. And those pictures you're talking about, even Google doesn't let you store them for free. Anything over 4MP is considered high resolution and isn't counted in the free part of your photo storage for Google Drive. If you run over the 15GB, then Google auto downsizes your photo to 4MP or less. If you want to actually store those photos, well, you'll have to pay a lot more than what Microsoft charges you.
    you should at least READ instead of posting lies.
    From 2016 MS will charge 1.99 for 50GB where Google has 1.99 for 100GB: see for yourself: HERE
    Apple has 0.99 for 50GB, dropbox also is cheaper than MS will be in 2016.
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    11-10-2015 02:09 AM
  11. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    you should at least READ instead of posting lies.
    From 2016 MS will charge 1.99 for 50GB where Google has 1.99 for 100GB: see for yourself: HERE
    Apple has 0.99 for 50GB, dropbox also is cheaper than MS will be in 2016.
    You forgot to point out that it's 16MP for photos upload until they're considered hi-res on Google as well.
    11-10-2015 02:18 AM
  12. BobLobIaw's Avatar
    Netflix ddidn'tget me to purchase hardware with limited storage saying that 15gb+15gb camera roll would be more than enough to compensate... then take it away after receiving my money only to claim that they have a new deal for me to take more of my money later.

    ...especially when I already have Office.
    Why the frolic and detour? You're just complaining about everything under the sun, and when you get a response on one variant you just switch to another topic. You're really not evoking much sympathy when you just go over the top about everything. Oh, no, they require a MS account with a credit card number in order to give you the free 1TB of storage for a year? The horror, how could they treat a customer so badly.

    Just out of curiosity, which hardware with limited storage did you buy? At what point would it be proper for MS to rework their free storage allocations, or are you suggesting you had a lifetime guarantee because you bought that limited storage hardware?
    11-10-2015 02:39 AM
  13. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    But we as the customers shouldn't/don't care how hard it is to provide that service, it's not our problem. When Verizon delays an update to your phone because they have to take time and effort to make sure the update won't screw up your phone does anyone care? Verizon still has to pay someone to look through the code and test it on all their phones (and sometimes come to to the conclusion that the effort isn't worth it to keep updating the phone) but does anyone sympathise with them? No

    If well all knew that the unlimited offer was unrealistic then how could Microsoft with all their highly paid experts not realise it to?

    If a company cannot support a product, then don't sell that product
    Who said anything about sympathy? Did I say that I was sympathising anywhere? I was just pointing out that this idea that storage is cheap is fundamentally flawed. That is all. It shouldn't be used as an excuse for loads of free storage.

    MS deserves the lambasting it's getting for selling OneDrive as they did to users. I think 15GB should be the minimum for any user with a MS device, especially a Windows Phone/mobile.
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    11-10-2015 03:02 AM
  14. Reflexx's Avatar
    Why the frolic and detour? You're just complaining about everything under the sun, and when you get a response on one variant you just switch to another topic. You're really not evoking much sympathy when you just go over the top about everything. Oh, no, they require a MS account with a credit card number in order to give you the free 1TB of storage for a year? The horror, how could they treat a customer so badly.

    Just out of curiosity, which hardware with limited storage did you buy? At what point would it be proper for MS to rework their free storage allocations, or are you suggesting you had a lifetime guarantee because you bought that limited storage hardware?
    I believe that MS should not have made these changes for current customers. It's bad customer service.

    Their reasoning is a transparent lie because there camera roll bonus has absolutely nothing to do with people "abusing" the "unlimited" plan. Though how you can "abuse" something that is "unlimited" is questionable.

    Why does it matter to you what I, a long time customer, complain about?

    I have valid complaints. Why do you feel that I, or others, it's you some justification?

    Do you have some sort of solution that would make customers happy? Because your insistence that customers must just out up with it the way you do does nothing towards a solution. However customers complaining does, because it let's MS know how unhappy we are with their decision.
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    11-10-2015 03:47 AM
  15. FirstWatt's Avatar
    I think the most annoying thing in this whole story is the fact that Microsoft is treating customers and users the same way.

    A long time user of free OneDrive services, which did not pay any penny for Microsoft Hard- or Software in the say last 5 years, in my eyes, is NOT a customer, and even less a loyal customer.

    Yet Microsoft does cut the OneDrive storage for ALL down to the same amount.

    This is, in my eyes, highly questionable from a customer orientation standpoint. How does a customer, who spent from 100's to even 1'000's of for MS products feel when they see this?

    It sure would not be difficult to tie free OneDrive space for a future Lumia 950 customer to the MS account the device is registered with, just as an example. And I'm sure with Windows 10 there would be a way, even if 10 accounts are on the same (Surface) machine.
    They could nicely scale, from lowest allocation if one runs Windows to the higher ones if one bought a Surface.
    11-10-2015 04:19 AM
  16. bradm77's Avatar
    Yeah yeah "but what about the trust issues?? Can we ever trust Microsoft again??"... Dudes come on. Grow up and stop stomping the floor like a little child. You act like a little child that was lucky enough to get a free icecream every day, but then one day you have to pay a little bit for the icecream.
    If your "trust/dont trust" lives or dies with an issue this small, then I say you are the one with a serious trust issue and not Microsoft.
    It's not just TRUST, it's MSFT flat out turning their back on the WP community. Over the last year or so they have, time and time again, torn down every single thing that those of us in this small but vocal community could point to and say to others - "THIS is why you should consider Windows Phone".

    • Office Lens - Exclusive to Windows Phone! annnd also Androiod and IOS
    • Cortana - Exclusive to Windows Phone! annnnd Android and IOS
    • Want to get the first crack at Sway? Better have an IPhone!
    • Bonus 1drive storage for photo backup on Windows Phone platform? Gotta stop that ASAP before someone else decides to try the WP platform!
    • Want the first crack at the new touch-centric versions of Office Apps? Better have an IPhone or IPad!


    I am using the analogy of the "Fun Farewell Party"; My wife & I love to go on Carnival Cruises. Back when we started in 2007, they had this thing called "The Captain's Party" - you could meet the captain and officers, mingle with other guests and they had complimentary drinks and snacks. Then, in one of Carnival's many rounds of cost-cutting, they switched it to drinks being $1 off at the Captain's Party, but they added this new thing called the "Fun Farewell Party" on the last sea day. They then proceeded to bury the listing for it in a tiny 6-type font in the daily Fun Times, never mention it during announcements, etc. On a ship of 2000+ guests, maybe 100 people or so would show up because Carnival practically acted like it didn't exist!

    A year or two ago, they ended the "Fun Farewell Party" DUE TO A LACK OF PARTICIPATION. When Microsoft finally pulls the plug on mobile, they will cite a lack of support from US as the main reason without ever admitting that they made decision after decision to CREATE that lack of support in the first place!!

    It's like death by a thousand paper cuts as opposed to something quick and clean. It's just feels deceptive and shady, to me at least - your mileage may vary.
    11-10-2015 06:02 AM
  17. bradm77's Avatar
    So who's gonna pay for the development of W10?
    I sent a tweet to Donald Trump and he said "I WILL MAKE MEXICO PAY FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF W10", so we got that going for us, which is nice.
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    11-10-2015 06:10 AM
  18. bradm77's Avatar
    I would pay $0.99 for 30 but not 1.99 for 50 with no option for a 100 or 200... and I don't like apples or oranges.
    I had the 15 + 15 and was paying for 100 on top of it, and now I have no OneDrive and am paying for ICloud. #MissionAccomplishedMicrosoft
    Andrew Gordon likes this.
    11-10-2015 06:11 AM
  19. josuan's Avatar
    So stupid. Go ahead. I will soon be switching to BlackBerry and Google Drive.
    11-10-2015 07:01 AM
  20. CorvinAdkins's Avatar
    Thank you
    11-10-2015 07:03 AM
  21. Deidalos's Avatar
    It`s as if Microsoft doesn`t even care about itself anymore and is doing everything possible to make us buy iPhones and Androids instead of Lumias. What the hell is happening there? I got through the lack of apps on WP, i got through the lack of OS features, i got through every thing that MS did and i disliked and I said to myself that I love my L625 no matter what because Microsoft is a great company. But I see that they continue to intentionatelly make us hate them and if they`ll do this to OneDrive I swear I`m gonna throw my WP and all the credibility and respect for Microsoft will go away. I`ve waited for more than 2 years, hoping that WP and Microsoft will evolve and grow, but nothing happened. People are making every second a new iPhone app, and we, WP users, are stuck in this lack of apps and features for more than 2 years. And now THIS? Gonna be the last drop, MS....
    11-10-2015 08:20 AM
  22. chris_gt's Avatar
    Sorry jmagwp, but google is free, they didn't sell me a phone for 500 bux advertising it as 32gb storage + 15gb onedrive. That's what I call deceiving customers. Want to compare even more? even the asus laptop I bought a month ago comes with 10gb storage, twice as much.
    11-10-2015 08:28 AM
  23. FearL0rd's Avatar
    Microsoft was turning again into a cool company. Please don't be Evil like your competitors
    11-10-2015 08:32 AM
  24. BobLobIaw's Avatar
    I believe that MS should not have made these changes for current customers. It's bad customer service.

    Their reasoning is a transparent lie because there camera roll bonus has absolutely nothing to do with people "abusing" the "unlimited" plan. Though how you can "abuse" something that is "unlimited" is questionable.

    Why does it matter to you what I, a long time customer, complain about?

    I have valid complaints. Why do you feel that I, or others, it's you some justification?

    Do you have some sort of solution that would make customers happy? Because your insistence that customers must just out up with it the way you do does nothing towards a solution. However customers complaining does, because it let's MS know how unhappy we are with their decision.
    Well, it is a comment board where justification of one's position is regularly discussed. I'd also note that you engaged me by responding to my comment. I'm just pointing out your methodology, because there's complaints and then there's reasonable complaints and the two are quite different. I do notice that you didn't answer my questions. Did you expect MS to give you 30GB of cloud storage forever? I think that is an unreasonable expectation on the part of you and others. I also suspect that you will have had the promised storage for the useful life of the limited storage hardware you referenced, so I don't really see how you've been harmed.
    11-10-2015 11:51 AM
  25. cha0sman's Avatar
    Did you expect MS to give you 30GB of cloud storage forever? I think that is an unreasonable expectation on the part of you and others. I also suspect that you will have had the promised storage for the useful life of the limited storage hardware you referenced, so I don't really see how you've been harmed.
    I know you are asking another user the question but...

    Why would you consider that unreasonable? Have you looked at the product specs? the 920 clearly states 7 GB of SkyDrive storage( which was renamed to OneDrive). the 640 clearly states 30 GB. Now, as with anything, if you aren't going to offer something perpetually, you are legally required to qualify that with something like "one year of " or what have you. The lack of that language, implies perpetual. The fact of the matter is, the hardware was sold with the understanding that the OneDrive storage would be perpetual. Perpetual means the lifetime of the cloud storage service,or it's successor storage service.

    Therefore, offering a trial service of something in place of something that was perpetual is not a replacement.
    Last edited by cha0sman; 11-10-2015 at 12:03 PM. Reason: added quote to make it clearer.
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    11-10-2015 11:58 AM
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