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08-28-2011 02:49 PM
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  1. Sparxy19's Avatar
    I think that if nokia and microsoft do put heeps of adds out then the sales will increase alot but if they dont then there will be some hard times ahead. I know this will be especially true here in aus, we dont see nokia phones anymore but when we did everyone wanted one because of the great hardware. I think they might sell here just because they are nokia and not because they are a wp
    Last edited by Sparxy19; 08-25-2011 at 06:31 PM.
    08-25-2011 06:24 PM
  2. 1jaxstate1's Avatar
    i agree, I haven't seen a Nokia phone in ages. I haven't heard anyone mention a Nokia phone with enthusiasm in ages. The N9 is loved, but it's DOA. I could care less about Nokia. I wished MS would have partnered with HTC instead.
    I'm not sold on Nokia being a game changer in the US. Why? Because only tech nerds are talking about Nokia and how it MAY be a game changer. When is the last time most non-techie Americans have seen a Nokia phone in their local AT&T, Sprint, Verizon or T Mob store? When is the last time most non-techie American's interested in smartphones associated Nokia with smartphones? Nokia is so far removed from the buying thought process of non-techie Americans. Nokia has to re-establish itself on American soil before non-tech nerds go crazy over the "sexy" Nokia hardware.
    08-25-2011 07:35 PM
  3. Reflexx's Avatar
    If you're in the US, I could understand why you may not be familiar with Nokia build quality. But trust me, you'll see soon enough. And you'll see why they were an awesome choice for the premier partner relationship.

    There's a reason that Nokia was the biggest and most popular handset maker in the world. And sure, on the smartphone side they pretty much fell off because of their lack of a decent OS, but they're still LOVED in many places. And that's with the sucky OS. Just because their phones are just that nice.
    08-25-2011 09:50 PM
  4. Averry's Avatar
    i think in 1 or 2 years WP will also start getting phones out all over the year...

    cause right now we got 12 phones in one shot.... cause all the OEMS wanted to get it out there , as the Months and years go by the OEMS will start releasing phones at different dates. Witch will cause us to have a new phone or 2 every month , ( witch is as fast if not faster then Android )

    we have 12 Phones under a year , I dunno how you can think we don’t have enough.

    they just wanted to get all of them out one shot.

    + WP is a 5 year old KID compare to Iphone and Android , so saying that Android has more momentum then WP … well Obviously! LoL

    Android came out with what… 2 phones when they released the first Gen?? lol



    Honestly we all just need to be Patient with this. its brand new OS .. and MS is doing better the first year then most other OS ever did. ( and they had less competition when they came out )

    they doing JUST FINE!!
    Dude, who are you talking to? I never said we didn't have enough, , we just need to have releases throughout the year.
    08-26-2011 12:06 AM
  5. Averry's Avatar
    i agree, I haven't seen a Nokia phone in ages. I haven't heard anyone mention a Nokia phone with enthusiasm in ages. The N9 is loved, but it's DOA. I could care less about Nokia. I wished MS would have partnered with HTC instead.
    I don't think people really truly care about any of the OEM's that much. Their very much just commodities. But Nokia is the one OEM who could really differentiate by make a DAMN GOOD PHONE.


    Hey look, I'm Samsung, HTC, LG, and whoever else. We dont' want to compete with Apple by making a damn hot, sexy, stunning, beautiful looking phone. We'd rather slap together some plastic and put a crappy Android skin on it.


    I'm truly excited for Nokia to come out and step up the industrial build of these phones. I think that Apple's success stems directly from the success of Johnny Ive and company, and people will appreciate Nokia's designs hopefully.

    Some of my friends have told me the N9 looks plasticky, and honestly I have absolutely no idea where they came up with that.
    08-26-2011 12:12 AM
  6. Sparxy19's Avatar
    Nokia + wp7 = win
    Thats really all there is to it.
    08-26-2011 12:58 AM
  7. ashykat's Avatar
    Apple has ads all the time. Also, those product placement ads aren't free to Apple, in fact I saw a report and Apple spends a ton on product placement.
    08-27-2011 12:04 AM
  8. bilzkh's Avatar
    Would it be safe to say that Nokia is then vying to be the leading OEM of WP7? In other words, could we assume that Nokia's thinking along the lines of, "hey when people think WP7, they think Nokia!" and hence put in the effort of mass advertising and courting carriers? Nokia's success might affect the other OEMs to lose their share of the WP7 market, thus either pushing them out of the WP7-fold or further in by being more competitive against Nokia (assuming the Android patent issue really does take a serious toll in the next couple years).
    08-27-2011 12:45 AM
  9. monotok's Avatar
    I reckon MS will do a big advertising campaign with Nokia because they don't reply on Android and will mostly concentrate on WP7, as they will probably drop Symbian.
    Nokia and MS needs to sell phones and therefore they will probably push together.
    08-27-2011 06:49 AM
  10. smartpatrol's Avatar
    Would it be safe to say that Nokia is then vying to be the leading OEM of WP7? In other words, could we assume that Nokia's thinking along the lines of, "hey when people think WP7, they think Nokia!" and hence put in the effort of mass advertising and courting carriers? Nokia's success might affect the other OEMs to lose their share of the WP7 market, thus either pushing them out of the WP7-fold or further in by being more competitive against Nokia (assuming the Android patent issue really does take a serious toll in the next couple years).
    Definitely. Nokia is the only one with a vested interest in seeing WP7 gain marketshare from Android. HTC and Samsung are perfectly happy selling Android phones, whereas Nokia is betting their future on WP7. (LG, Sony, and Motorola are all losing money from their smartphone divisions.)

    Let's be honest, most of the OEMs are treating WP7 like an afterthought. They don't need WP7, it's just a way for them to sell a few extra handsets on the side, while Android is where the bulk of their sales are. It will be a breath of fresh air to have Nokia pushing WP7 on all its flagship phones.
    08-27-2011 08:12 AM
  11. scottd34's Avatar
    Definitely. Nokia is the only one with a vested interest in seeing WP7 gain marketshare from Android. HTC and Samsung are perfectly happy selling Android phones, whereas Nokia is betting their future on WP7. (LG, Sony, and Motorola are all losing money from their smartphone divisions.)

    Let's be honest, most of the OEMs are treating WP7 like an afterthought. They don't need WP7, it's just a way for them to sell a few extra handsets on the side, while Android is where the bulk of their sales are. It will be a breath of fresh air to have Nokia pushing WP7 on all its flagship phones.
    people are starting to get fed up with android. Some of the techie crowd but really big in the average user group. I see it a lot working where i work and doing what i do. vzw is losing a lot of android users to other platforms so im assuming it is the same with other carriers as well. I think ms/nokia is coming in at a good time to capitalize on the consumer frustration with android and you need to think of contract timelines too. Nov 2009 was when the first droids were being sold, and the bulk of android contracts were started mid 2010 with the second wave of android handset launches like the incredible. So you'll be starting to catch those people now as they come up for renewal.

    The typical customer will hang on to their phone (no matter how bad they feel it is) to get the reduced pricing on another handset so will be waiting until their contract is up to even start shopping for a new one.
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    08-27-2011 08:25 AM
  12. smartpatrol's Avatar
    Agreed. All the Galaxy S/Evo/Droid/Droid X owners will be coming up on their 2-year upgrades in the next year. It's a great opportunity for WP7.

    WP7 ahead of Android and right behind iOS in customer satisfaction survey | ZDNet WP7 has a better customer satisfaction rating than Android. It will only grow once Mango is released. I think we could see a lot of people leave Android for WP in the next year, if MS/Nokia advertise it well.
    08-27-2011 08:41 AM
  13. Reflexx's Avatar
    I think Windows Phone could secure at least a 15% market share by the end of next year.

    Android is going to be bleeding for a bit. But they'll eventually stabilize because Google is starting to make an effort to try to fix some of the fragmentation issues. But it really won't be noticed for another year or two.

    I believe most of the Android losses in the US will be because of the iPhone being available on Verizon and Sprint. Mainly from areas where 4G isn't available yet. And WP7 will get a small percentage.

    But where we'll see the biggest WP growth will be in Asia. Especially with the cheaper handsets. Nokia is going to go gangbusters selling nice looking lower-end devices. But these will be solid quality low-end devices. They may even be able to make a dent in non-Asian market with them. Though in the US, it would help if carriers offered some cheaper data plans so that parents could see buying these for their teenagers.

    And I hope that Nokia has at least two or three high end devices available. And ideally they'd be very distinct in appearance. Where once someone sees it, they know it's a Nokia Windows Phone. Even without seeing the screen.

    I also hope that they are allowed by carriers in the US to have all their phones be penta-band. They even have low-end devices that are penta-band right now.
    08-27-2011 03:32 PM
  14. palandri's Avatar
    It's my opinion that Nokia has not been big in the US because they are big into unlocked GSM phones. In the U.S. we are pretty much split with CDMA and GSM phones. I think CDMA phones hold the lead, plus they want you locked into a contract in the U.S..
    08-28-2011 02:49 PM
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