10-23-2011 10:34 AM
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  1. Steppa.Sound's Avatar
    Looking at the release of Ice Cream Sandwich I cant help but feel that Google has followed WP7 lead of a clean, modern, flat, grown up design. Gone are the bubbly, gradient UI elements.

    BTW The one thing that I am drooling over about the Ice Cream Sandwich release are the specs of Nexus phone (damn!):
    4.65 " HD super AMOLED display (res 720x1280)
    1.2GHz dual-core Cortex A9-based processor
    1GB of RAM. 5MP camera capable of shooting 1080p video/1.3MP front camera
    LTE and NFC support
    1750mAh battery
    16 or 32GB flavors expandable via a microSD card slot

    HTC Titan aside, WP7 needs more phones with killer hardware!
    10-19-2011 12:27 AM
  2. ninjaap's Avatar
    **** yeah it rips on Metro.
    10-19-2011 12:37 AM
  3. Dr.Phil's Avatar
    I know that alot of people are upset that ICS borrowed some elements from both iOS and WP7, but you have to give them credit for being smart. They brought in all of the good elements of both OS' while still giving users more customization. I will admit I am starting to give Android a second look after today's announcement. And we also have to remember that Android ABSOLUTELY needed this because it is what they are going to use to overpower Apple in the marketplace.

    Now, when it comes to WP7 and the upcoming Windows Phone 8 I think Microsoft is going to want to really ramp up the idea on the Metro UI and the cross-platform ability. I was reading an article in PC World the other day and they were talking about Windows 8 and how whatever computer you sign onto that has Windows 8 will load up your own customized homepage. I would love for that to move over to the phone as well. Microsoft can go big on the idea of the Cloud and if they are smart they may want to look at buying up some WebOS patents. They could come in handy with that kind of thinking. Microsoft also needs to take the lead in the mobile phone gaming world. Hey, I would love to see the anti-Nexus, perhaps call it the Xbox phone? That would be interesting. Those are two areas where if Microsoft addresses within the next year, they will at least take on Apple and maybe put themselves within sights of Android.
    10-19-2011 01:14 AM
  4. Steppa.Sound's Avatar
    Now, when it comes to WP7 and the upcoming Windows Phone 8 I think Microsoft is going to want to really ramp up the idea on the Metro UI and the cross-platform ability. I was reading an article in PC World the other day and they were talking about Windows 8 and how whatever computer you sign onto that has Windows 8 will load up your own customized homepage.
    I am really hoping MS pushes with hard with the cross platform innovation. It seems that WP7/Metro/Win 8 is finally beginning to generate long lasting buzz, which needs to build into snowballing momentum fast.

    Don't let us down MS!
    10-19-2011 01:28 AM
  5. KingCrimson's Avatar
    The nice thing is MSFT has spent the last few years building cloud services that are seamlessly accessible across multiple OS. Win7/Win8/WP7. Stuff like SkyDrive, Zune Pass.
    10-19-2011 01:37 AM
  6. 1jaxstate1's Avatar
    So what. WP7 got app "cards" switching from WebOS. Got the idea of FB integration from WebOS. Glad they did, it's much better in WP7. I think they all use the same feature set, and try to implement it differently.

    Now, their "people app" is just a damn shame. That's not adding anything, just a blatant copy.
    Last edited by 1jaxstate1; 10-19-2011 at 02:04 AM.
    10-19-2011 01:51 AM
  7. Dr.Phil's Avatar
    The nice thing is MSFT has spent the last few years building cloud services that are seamlessly accessible across multiple OS. Win7/Win8/WP7. Stuff like SkyDrive, Zune Pass.
    The biggest competition that people are not seeing when it comes to this aspect is Amazon. Amazon as you know has released the Fire tablet, but I wouldn't be surprised if they also released their own phone with its own custom Android UI like the Fire. This would be some real competition for Win8 and its cross-platform Metro UI. You are talking about it being able to do pretty much the same thing, but where they would really get people is the cut in prices on the products they offer. However, like I have said before Microsoft has some REAL potential when it comes to the gaming aspect. This whole idea that you can play a game like Kinectimals and be able to transfer data between your Xbox and your phone is something they should capitalize on. It reminds me of when I had a Sega Dreamcast and you had those little memory things that you could play minigames on. It was fun to have on you to play around when you were in school.
    10-19-2011 02:23 AM
  8. Steppa.Sound's Avatar
    Functionality (features) will continue to be ripped from one platform to another (i.e. what Consumers like, they will get).

    My beef is that the ISC UI design is a direct RIP from Metro. I do wonder if this "new" Android" UI will be pushed to their 250,000 apps (thats why I love WP7. All the apps on my phone follow the same design parameters).
    10-19-2011 02:26 AM
  9. KingCrimson's Avatar
    The biggest competition that people are not seeing when it comes to this aspect is Amazon. Amazon as you know has released the Fire tablet, but I wouldn't be surprised if they also released their own phone with its own custom Android UI like the Fire. This would be some real competition for Win8 and its cross-platform Metro UI. You are talking about it being able to do pretty much the same thing, but where they would really get people is the cut in prices on the products they offer. However, like I have said before Microsoft has some REAL potential when it comes to the gaming aspect. This whole idea that you can play a game like Kinectimals and be able to transfer data between your Xbox and your phone is something they should capitalize on. It reminds me of when I had a Sega Dreamcast and you had those little memory things that you could play minigames on. It was fun to have on you to play around when you were in school.
    Tell me about it - I'm one of the Kindle Fire pre-orders!
    10-19-2011 02:39 AM
  10. Steppa.Sound's Avatar
    However, like I have said before Microsoft has some REAL potential when it comes to the gaming aspect. This whole idea that you can play a game like Kinectimals and be able to transfer data between your Xbox and your phone is something they should capitalize on.
    Honestly, how many people WORLDWIDE are gamers? Isn't that a small subset of the smartphone buying population?
    10-19-2011 03:04 AM
  11. cedarlog's Avatar
    if you cant beat them copy them
    10-19-2011 05:12 AM
  12. theefman's Avatar
    So what. WP7 got app "cards" switching from WebOS. Got the idea of FB integration from WebOS. Glad they did, it's much better in WP7. I think they all use the same feature set, and try to implement it differently.

    Now, their "people app" is just a damn shame. That's not adding anything, just a blatant copy.
    Copying a feature and implementing it differently is not the same as copying and pasting the feature wholesale. Ripping the people hub's look and functionality is blatant, and to top it all the designer then talks trash about WP7's Metro UI? They probably copied WP7 because they know MS is less likely to sue than apple, if they had had the courage to rip more of ios you would have seen the lawsuits start flying already. Dishonest and hypocritical, typical google.
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    10-19-2011 08:18 AM
  13. 1jaxstate1's Avatar
    We agree. Pretty shameful that they did it.
    Copying a feature and implementing it differently is not the same as copying and pasting the feature wholesale. Ripping the people hub's look and functionality is blatant, and to top it all the designer then talks trash about WP7's Metro UI? They probably copied WP7 because they know MS is less likely to sue than apple, if they had had the courage to rip more of ios you would have seen the lawsuits start flying already. Dishonest and hypocritical, typical google.
    10-19-2011 08:22 AM
  14. Pronk's Avatar
    I am massively underwhelmed by the Galaxy Nexus/ICS. I think (other than the very lovely screen) the design of the phone is horrible. It might look better in real life, but all the screenshots/videos make it look decidedly bland (especially up against the Droid RAZR, which looks much more striking). And ICS really is a big rip-off of WP7 in many ways, but still with that clunky, undesigned, un-uniform look. I loathe the fact that widgets can just be splurged anywhere and don't automatically snap to any sort of nice grid alignment. It's just messy.

    I suppose the one big bonus of Android phones is that you can change the launcher. I know if I had ICS I'd be bored of that glowing blue Tron look in days, and would be hunting round for a new theme with a bit more elegance.
    10-19-2011 08:34 AM
  15. 1jaxstate1's Avatar
    I was disappointed too. But more with the design of the phone. Those pre-released shots made the phone look like a miracle of modern mechanical engineer. The actual phone, not so much. Big letdown. As far as ICS, it's just another version of Android, which at this point, I can't tell them apart.
    I am massively underwhelmed by the Galaxy Nexus/ICS. I think (other than the very lovely screen) the design of the phone is horrible. It might look better in real life, but all the screenshots/videos make it look decidedly bland (especially up against the Droid RAZR, which looks much more striking). And ICS really is a big rip-off of WP7 in many ways, but still with that clunky, undesigned, un-uniform look. I loathe the fact that widgets can just be splurged anywhere and don't automatically snap to any sort of nice grid alignment. It's just messy.

    I suppose the one big bonus of Android phones is that you can change the launcher. I know if I had ICS I'd be bored of that glowing blue Tron look in days, and would be hunting round for a new theme with a bit more elegance.
    10-19-2011 08:44 AM
  16. jrdatrackstar1223's Avatar
    Also, according to numerous reports, ICS still has the lag that Windows Phone and iOS doesn't (and Blackberry PlayBook OS), and this is because the "smooth" operating systems are composite based, whereas Android is not because of Java. From what I understand, until they re-write the OS, the lag will never go away no matter HOW many cores it uses. This why I don't trip about not having a battery hogging dual-core phone (except for gaming maybe, and even still, great gaming can be achieved with a single core with a decent GPU) because our software was OPTIMIZED for the hardware. I was underwhelmed last night as well, and am just sitting tight to see what the next round of Windows Phone devices bring next year =/

    I still have my Nexus S 4G, so I guess I have the best of both worlds if I want to go back =D
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    10-19-2011 08:46 AM
  17. power5's Avatar
    Gaming is the same size market as the movie industry. Lots of people play games.

    I can not find a video of the people hub of ICS but the rest of the UI looks like android to me. I do not see any huge differences between ICS and Gingerbread. But I am not very familiar with android.
    10-19-2011 08:48 AM
  18. Vallos's Avatar
    I understand the premise on how/why a company sues over patents, but the fine details is where I'm ignorant at. Being that Microsoft has patent the Metro UI, what can they do to Google in this case of "copying" some aspects of the Metro UI?
    10-19-2011 09:33 AM
  19. theefman's Avatar
    We agree. Pretty shameful that they did it.
    Man, those pigs are flying! :). What bugs me is the work MS did with WP trying not to look like anything else out there yet they were almost universally panned for it. Yet when google steals it its suddenly beautiful and "innovative". I wonder how the WP team that worked on the design feels to see their own work not get the recognition it deserves yet a ripoff being praised.
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    10-19-2011 11:08 AM
  20. selfcreation's Avatar
    google= fail.

    MEtro UI is horrible? yet they copy it.... more fails....
    10-19-2011 11:29 AM
  21. Coffee's Avatar
    Matias also told me that a new style guide was being prepped for developers with lots of off-the-rack pieces that would make it easier for third-parties to create the same kind of streamlined, beautiful applications I saw in Ice Cream Sandwich.
    So first he bashes on the 'Metro' styling and how it confines devs (it doesn't), then in the next breath they're going to give out a 'style guide' to make it 'easier' to create like-styled apps?

    oh well. he's obviously a good designer and it will push all 3 bigs to keep improving.
    10-19-2011 12:05 PM
  22. Pronk's Avatar
    I've figured out what the Galaxy nexus reminds me of. From the side, it's the sole of a worn-out shoe that's fallen off! :)
    10-19-2011 01:57 PM
  23. cedarlog's Avatar
    should we give them wp7 apollo update incase they want to ripoff some features ?
    10-19-2011 02:58 PM
  24. Dr.Phil's Avatar
    Honestly, how many people WORLDWIDE are gamers? Isn't that a small subset of the smartphone buying population?
    Well like I said you will have to look at the sales of the PS Vita. That is going to tell you how many people really want portable gaming. And ALSO look at the overall sales of the Sony Ericsson Play 4G, which is basically a PSP with phone interface. That device seemed to have been a good seller as well. Not to mention the games like Backstab which have pretty good graphics and seem like a full game to play on the go. I mean think about it, Microsoft has already gone out of their way with their Xbox Live being on the phone, why not take it one step further? All I'm asking for is a special version like the Nexus.
    10-19-2011 03:41 PM
  25. Pronk's Avatar
    I dunno how good a guide the PS Vita will be. It might have a great screen and play fabulous games, but it has abysmal battery life and is more or less a phone without a phone. And it isn't cheap either. I think it might end up quite a niche product.
    10-19-2011 05:05 PM
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