03-01-2012 03:32 AM
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  1. num_lock_er's Avatar
    Hi I will buy a WP7 phone now but I've heard that it is unsure if it can be upgrade to the upcoming WP8 OS.

    Can I upgrade it to WP8 or not? Thanks.
    02-21-2012 12:50 AM
  2. TheWeeBear's Avatar

    No one knows 100% for sure yet. :dry

    Hopefully at Mobile World Congress next week we'll learn more about this.

    Oh and welcome along to WPCentral num_lock_er. :)
    02-21-2012 04:05 AM
  3. SeNiLe911's Avatar
    I was told by an employee at the Microsoft Store that all phones will receive the Apollo update. Think about it, It makes no sense for the Nokia Lumia 900 that comes out next month to not receive this update that will come out 7 or 8 months later.

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    02-21-2012 04:46 AM
  4. TheWeeBear's Avatar
    Well that's what we all expect and hope for, but no one has said anything officially about it as of yet. :)

    I'm sure they will though SeNiLe911. :)
    Last edited by TheWeeBear; 02-21-2012 at 04:59 AM.
    02-21-2012 04:52 AM
  5. Big Supes's Avatar
    With the lower spec "Tango" handset starting to appear, it's looking likely that all current handsets will update to Apollo. I'm feeling confident they will anyway.... hence the reason I have no concerns jumping on the Nokia 910 when it's released in Europe.

    I really wish MS would quash all speculation on this as rumours can be damaging... especially if people are holding back under false pretences.
    02-21-2012 05:18 AM
  6. rturja's Avatar
    On the other hand, the only rumour claiming otherwise was started by confirmed liar, android fanboy and Nokia/Winphone hater.
    02-21-2012 05:34 AM
  7. Big Supes's Avatar
    ..... Who is this Android fanboy? Come to me! I defy you! Come and kneel before Big Supes! BIG SUPES!

    Sorry... movie moment there... :D
    02-21-2012 05:49 AM
  8. Jay Bennett's Avatar
    This was asked on the podcast a couple episodes ago and I'll just echo what was said there, 1 of us believed there would be an upgrade available, 1 of us firmly believes it will not be possible to upgrade, and 1 couldn't comment.

    My advice to you would be, as with any purchase, buy the product now if you like the what you'll be getting immediately, not for what may or may not come in the future. If you're concerned about not having the bleeding edge version of the operating system then wait for the release of the next update and then allow yourself to be locked in for 2 years.
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    02-21-2012 05:51 AM
  9. rturja's Avatar
    ..... Who is this Android fanboy? Come to me! I defy you! Come and kneel before Big Supes! BIG SUPES!

    Sorry... movie moment there... :D
    Of course I meant that muppet who originally started the rumour about winphone not being upgradeable, E... whatever his name was :D
    02-21-2012 06:00 AM
  10. svtfmook's Avatar
    i'm pretty sure if you stick with the higher end 2nd gen phones, you should receive the apollo update.
    02-21-2012 06:55 AM
  11. num_lock_er's Avatar
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    No one knows 100% for sure yet. :dry

    Hopefully at Mobile World Congress next week we'll learn more about this.

    Oh and welcome along to WPCentral num_lock_er. :)
    Thanks for welcoming TheWeeBear :D I will wait for MWC next week before I buy a WP7 phone.

    I am once a 1st gen iPhone and current Android user. Currently I am looking for a breath of fresh air in UI.

    Which one I will buy, HTC HD7, Hd7 Pro or Radar. Considering that they have the same price and only HTC and Nokia is available in my area. Titan and Lumia is out of my budget. I am concerned more with larger screen size and upgradability to Windows Phone 8. Thanks.

    Thank you.
    02-21-2012 08:07 AM
  12. TheWeeBear's Avatar
    You're very welcome num_lock_er, yes makes perfect sense to wait for MWC to see what new info / handsets become available.

    Then hopefully you can make your mind up and join in all the WP fun. :D
    02-21-2012 08:11 AM
  13. canesfan625's Avatar
    1 of us firmly believes it will not be possible to upgrade
    Based on what? If Apollo does use the windows 8 kernel why wouldn't it be possible? Windows 8 can run on older hardware better than windows 7 can and I doubt we are going to see some magical large gpu requirement increase to run metro.
    02-21-2012 08:18 AM
  14. svtfmook's Avatar
    all i have to say is, if i bought this focus s, only to not have it get the apollo update, i will not be a happy camper...
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    02-21-2012 08:44 AM
  15. kevm14's Avatar
    I don't understand this different kernel argument. You can flash android, WM6.5 and WP7 on an HTC HD2. There is no reason WP8 should be "incompatible" with snapdragon SoC phones.
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    02-21-2012 09:25 AM
  16. bear_lx's Avatar
    any ideas on as to when we might see win8? unofficially or offiicially? i personally really want to see whats going on with zune... if they abandon zune for some lame upgrade of windows media player, and completely change the UI, i wont like it...
    02-21-2012 09:39 AM
  17. Winterfang's Avatar
    Next week will make or break Lumia's 900 sell for me. It better upgrade to Apollo :)
    02-21-2012 10:21 AM
  18. dtboos's Avatar
    I think all Windows Phones will receive the update, but older phones will simply be limited by their physical hardware. Pretty simple. If it brings a feature that requires a certain piece of hardware your phone doesn't have, you just wont be able to use that part of the OS.

    Its no different than with the front facing cameras and other hardware support that Mango brought. Mango brought the ability to use one, but my phone doesn't have a front camera so I not only can't use it, I don't even see the option.

    There is no way MS will alienate their current user-base, and even less of a chance they are going to basically "drop support" for the Nokia phones they are banking so heavily on that are just now being released.
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    02-21-2012 10:28 AM
  19. canesfan625's Avatar
    any ideas on as to when we might see win8? unofficially or offiicially? i personally really want to see whats going on with zune... if they abandon zune for some lame upgrade of windows media player, and completely change the UI, i wont like it...
    Q3 or Q4 of this year. CP program starts next week. So next week kinda.. actually
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    02-21-2012 10:44 AM
  20. Neibl's Avatar
    Dtboos is right. The update will be pushed to all. We will get the fixes and UI updates but advanced features will be scaled back on lower end devices mostly due to lack of hardware or power. I'd imagine all second fen devices will run 90% of the features.

    Sent from my SGH-i917 using Board Express
    02-21-2012 10:45 AM
  21. theefman's Avatar
    ..... Who is this Android fanboy? Come to me! I defy you! Come and kneel before Big Supes! BIG SUPES!

    Sorry... movie moment there... :D
    Not loud enough mate, cant hear you in my fortress out here. :)
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    02-21-2012 12:00 PM
  22. Jay Bennett's Avatar
    Based on what? If Apollo does use the windows 8 kernel why wouldn't it be possible? Windows 8 can run on older hardware better than windows 7 can and I doubt we are going to see some magical large gpu requirement increase to run metro.
    It's my opinion, and based on the fact that Apollo is a HUGE upgrade, not a minor one. The fact that developers are being told that our apps "will be compatible" with Windows Phone 8, suggests to me a backwards compatibility situation. There is so much changing in Windows Phone 8 that I don't see the current upgrade system being able to handle it.

    Honestly you're more than welcome to disagree with me and hope otherwise, but I strongly suggest you don't expect the upgrade, instead anticipate you contract and being able to upgrade your hardware when the time comes.
    02-21-2012 02:04 PM
  23. selfcreation's Avatar
    It's my opinion, and based on the fact that Apollo is a HUGE upgrade, not a minor one. The fact that developers are being told that our apps "will be compatible" with Windows Phone 8, suggests to me a backwards compatibility situation. There is so much changing in Windows Phone 8 that I don't see the current upgrade system being able to handle it.

    Honestly you're more than welcome to disagree with me and hope otherwise, but I strongly suggest you don't expect the upgrade, instead anticipate you contract and being able to upgrade your hardware when the time comes.

    Why do you have to be so negative all the time!! LOL :) j/k

    the fact that Old apps are going to work with WP , wouldn't that mean that the chance of getting the update is good? if it wasn't backwards compatible then id be worried..

    you talk about it being a UGE upgrade, so what? so was mango!!!!! UGE!! kernel mean nothing , Flash and re-instal, your done.. ok so it might take 1 hour instead of 30min,...

    Why do you think the current upgrade system wont be able to handle it?? its not like your trying to fit a F1 engine in a Honda civic.

    Hardware will roughly be the same and the update is said to support multiple requirements. ( single , duel core , high and low res ect...)

    seems to me like MS is looking to stay AWAY from Fragmentation and at the same time start offering Milty support across all types of GRADES ( low or high end WP ) witch is something we been waiting for and simply couldn't be done with a NEW OS and so little hardware.

    all this to me points to us GETTING the update. ( obviously Fingers crossed)

    Im starting BETS!!! 100$ on us getting the update! lol ;)
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    02-21-2012 02:25 PM
  24. Eirenarch's Avatar
    I will be really, really surprised if current devices are not upgradeable to WP8.
    Here are my reasons:

    - The kernel thing means nothing. One kernel can run on variety of hardware and they already support the architecture (ARM) in Win 8
    - Tango devices are supposed to have lower specs than current devices so if they drop current devices they need to drop Tango devices as well and they will be just a few months old when Apollo is released. If anything they may choose to not upgrade Tango devices and upgrade current devices.
    - There are basically two systems on chip powering current devices. There is no difference between high end and low end devices when it comes to processor and video and this is what the OS cares about when it comes to performance.
    - Current apps are mostly managed code (native code apps are either MS or their close partners so they have control over them) so the portability of apps to new kernel is not an issue.
    - It will be a P.R. suicide if they do not upgrade the Lumia 800/900 (for example) to Apollo and because the hardware is not much different they can easily upgrade first generation devices as well. After all they made big promise about OS upgrades and if they fail to deliver they may as well close the WP division.
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    02-21-2012 02:37 PM
  25. Big Supes's Avatar
    Not loud enough mate, cant hear you in my fortress out here. :)
    :D

    It's my opinion, and based on the fact that Apollo is a HUGE upgrade, not a minor one. The fact that developers are being told that our apps "will be compatible" with Windows Phone 8, suggests to me a backwards compatibility situation. There is so much changing in Windows Phone 8 that I don't see the current upgrade system being able to handle it.

    Honestly you're more than welcome to disagree with me and hope otherwise, but I strongly suggest you don't expect the upgrade, instead anticipate you contract and being able to upgrade your hardware when the time comes.
    It's been noted. Thanks. :)

    MS really need to speak up on this matter... as it's sort of a biggie...
    02-21-2012 03:29 PM
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