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  1. eric12341's Avatar
    You are right that there is a lot of non-geek people buying smartphones. But there is nothing geeky about apps. If I look at my family, my relatives, my friends, I promise that EVERYONE have tried Angry Birds and Facebook on their phone. And thats rich and "poor" people, from 9 years old to over 60. A few iPhones and the rest uses Android. If they have downloaded one or two free apps, why wouldnt they download some more to fit their needs?

    If I would ask my 83 year old grandmother about apps, she would know what they are used for, even though she have never even touched a cell phone, because apps are everywhere, everyday in the newspaper, in tv-shows, she even gets mails from the government telling her that she can download their apps on her iPhone/Android to simplify her life. Also her phone carrier, electric provider and tv carrier have apps which they want her to use.

    Whatever you think people is aware of apps and how to get them, of course there are people who dont use apps too, but if you think MOST people dont, you are wrong.
    Actually you are wrong, check this:
    Study: Apps not that important to smartphone users | wpcentral | Windows Phone News, Forums, and Reviews

    And before you say it's biased reporting because it's WPCentral this is based off a research study by pew and pew is a very credible source.
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    08-02-2012 11:47 PM
  2. MrBurrrns's Avatar
    Not just that it has live tiles, but that you can pin almost any content to the start screen from any app that supports pinning. Also with WP8, now they've expanded the number of images a live tiles can cycle through. Really puts the static icons of iOS/android to shame.
    There are these things called widgets on Android, you know?

    Actually you are wrong, check this:
    Study: Apps not that important to smartphone users | wpcentral | Windows Phone News, Forums, and Reviews

    And before you say it's biased reporting because it's WPCentral this is based off a research study by pew and pew is a very credible source.
    You can look at studies, or you can look at the real world. Take a look at the first iPhone you find amongst your friends and see if (s)he has apps on it. Or just take a look at what is the number one reason people are hesitant to switch to WP - missing apps. It's an apps world baby and we're just living in it. :)
    08-03-2012 04:11 AM
  3. sinime's Avatar
    You can look at studies, or you can look at the real world. Take a look at the first iPhone you find amongst your friends and see if (s)he has apps on it. Or just take a look at what is the number one reason people are hesitant to switch to WP - missing apps. It's an apps world baby and we're just living in it. :)
    I do agree with you that apps do matter, to some extent, but in the end, people only use a handful of apps on a daily bases and for the most part, WP has those handful of apps.

    Also, Have a look at this thread, if true, you can take about 400,000 iOS apps and throw them out the window and probably more on android...
    http://forums.windowscentral.com/sho...d.php?t=195681

    I noticed the other day, there is an app on iOS, TapaTalk, that has 1 iOS version with some in app purchasable themes. On Android, there are 4 versions of the app in the store, 1 for each theme. I'm sure that isn't the only 1 like this, so I'd assume that the number of apps for android are a little over inflated.
    08-03-2012 09:30 AM
  4. jimski's Avatar
    Apps are only important to people who post in these and other forums online. Smartphone enthusiasts so to speak. The rest, the overwhelming majority, have never, ever, downloaded an app.

    Same people who buy a PC and never, ever, install anything on it. Except for the free toolbars and other malware that gets pushed onto machines.

    We live in a very sheltered environment with no idea how typical consumers use their Smartphone. Realistically, the majority on those, "never add anything" people probably also don't respond to surveys, so the numbers are most likely worse than the results indicate.

    Sent from my Lumia 900 using Board Express Pro
    08-03-2012 10:12 AM
  5. Reflexx's Avatar
    There are these things called widgets on Android, you know?



    You can look at studies, or you can look at the real world. Take a look at the first iPhone you find amongst your friends and see if (s)he has apps on it. Or just take a look at what is the number one reason people are hesitant to switch to WP - missing apps. It's an apps world baby and we're just living in it. :)
    So your argument is to ignore studies conducted by professional organizations, and instead rely on anecdotal evidence?

    To use a phrase familiar to WP early adopters... "Really?"
    08-03-2012 10:25 AM
  6. bear_lx's Avatar
    I have access to any phone in Verizon's line up and still have a Trophy. There has to be something innovative or different here. No way the Trophy is a "me too" device. If it was I would have a S3 or something at this point.
    hmmm. interesting... even i might be tempted by the sg3 at this point. primarily because i am impatient and tired of waiting.
    08-03-2012 10:57 AM
  7. mb-dape's Avatar
    Actually you are wrong, check this:
    Study: Apps not that important to smartphone users | wpcentral | Windows Phone News, Forums, and Reviews

    And before you say it's biased reporting because it's WPCentral this is based off a research study by pew and pew is a very credible source.
    Thanks for the link, it was a interesting interview. But I dont see how you can say I am wrong? Actually it just proves my point;

    SMARTPHONE owners:
    68 % uses five or less apps every week
    15 % uses more apps
    17 % does not use any apps

    Out of ALL adults with phones (smartphones, feature phones etc.) does 42 % have apps on their phones.

    If you just read WPCentrals article it seems like they "forgot" the fact that the survey included all kind of phones, just not smartphones.
    08-03-2012 01:33 PM
  8. eric12341's Avatar
    Thanks for the link, it was a interesting interview. But I dont see how you can say I am wrong? Actually it just proves my point;

    SMARTPHONE owners:
    68 % uses five or less apps every week
    15 % uses more apps
    17 % does not use any apps

    Out of ALL adults with phones (smartphones, feature phones etc.) does 42 % have apps on their phones.

    If you just read WPCentrals article it seems like they "forgot" the fact that the survey included all kind of phones, just not smartphones.
    Don't see how it proves your point. It says that the majority of smartphone users don't paint apps as an issue as much as you are making it.
    08-03-2012 02:43 PM
  9. mb-dape's Avatar
    Don't see how it proves your point. It says that the majority of smartphone users don't paint apps as an issue as much as you are making it.
    I was responding to the guy who said that MOST smartphone users NEVER download or use apps. So he thought WP is superior because of some integrated social features. My point was that most people at least know how to download and use essentials like Facebook and Twitter.
    08-03-2012 07:11 PM
  10. 12Danny123's Avatar
    Hey guys. This OP has invented something I call.....Bull****
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    08-03-2012 10:11 PM
  11. Face2000's Avatar
    thecaringkind made an excellent post. I am in the same boat while wp fits my personal needs my wife was another story. We picked up the surround back in Dec 2010 and while I had heard of wp7 my wife had no clue she just wanted an ipone 4. Well it turns out the where fresh out so I said let take a look at windows phone 7. She liked what she saw and it helped that they where on a bogo so she decided to try it out and over the next year and a half fell in love with the OS.(That was a good thing she liked it otherwise I would have not heard the end of it) She now owns a Lumia 900 and could care less about an iphone anymore. I on the other hand will be getting a wp8 device this fall. My point is wp need what Android and IOS got at the begining carries to push there products OEM to make compelling hard ware and a smoth OS to keep the consumer interested so no it is not to late not by a long shot.:D
    08-03-2012 10:29 PM
  12. 12Danny123's Avatar
    thecaringkind made an excellent post. I am in the same boat while wp fits my personal needs my wife was another story. We picked up the surround back in Dec 2010 and while I had heard of wp7 my wife had no clue she just wanted an ipone 4. Well it turns out the where fresh out so I said let take a look at windows phone 7. She liked what she saw and it helped that they where on a bogo so she decided to try it out and over the next year and a half fell in love with the OS.(That was a good thing she liked it otherwise I would have not heard the end of it) She now owns a Lumia 900 and could care less about an iphone anymore. I on the other hand will be getting a wp8 device this fall. My point is wp need what Android and IOS got at the begining carries to push there products OEM to make compelling hard ware and a smoth OS to keep the consumer interested so no it is not to late not by a long shot.:D
    I agree with you. Wp is not late. Firefox os. Is what I call late. Also ur wife must be very happy with her lumia 900. My friend has a Samsung omnia W and she loves it.
    08-03-2012 11:19 PM
  13. socialcarpet's Avatar
    There never was any such era. Richard Gabriel wrote his essay "The Rise of Worse is Better" back in 1989.

    The Rise of ``Worse is Better''
    This describes Android PERFECTLY.
    08-04-2012 07:32 PM
  14. nizzon's Avatar
    So what is so unique with WP? Sure, the social media integration is a good idea, but if you use Facebook or Twitter you still have to use the "third party"-apps for most tasks. Two interfaces for the same service is IMHO not innovative.
    This is so true.
    MS need to decide, no, they need to realize what they have going and follow through... if they want something integrated then fully integrate it with all features, otherwise its useless.
    The native integration for facebook is awesome and all of my friends who has seen it loves it and the fact that its there by default. But when you have to use the app for full features the integration suddenly doesnt matter anymore, most people will get confused.
    I often have to launch the app from the people hub because it lacks features, schizoprenia. Why not only use the app? Well the people hub is faster and looks better imo.
    Last edited by nizzon; 08-05-2012 at 05:37 PM.
    08-05-2012 05:08 PM
  15. eric12341's Avatar
    This is so true.
    MS need to decide, no, they need to realize what they have going and follow through... if they want something integrated then fully integrate it with all features, otherwise its useless.
    The native integration for facebook is awesome and all of my friends who has seen it loves it and the fact that its there by default. But when you have to use the app for full features the integration suddenly doesnt matter anymore, most people will get confused.
    I often have to launch the app from the people hub because it lacks features, schizoprenia. Why not only use the app? Well the people hub is faster and looks better imo.
    It's more than what other OSes have as it is,plus not even the apps have all the Facebook features. The point of it is to quickly do what most people do on Facebook then get out.
    08-05-2012 08:14 PM
  16. Daniel Ratcliffe's Avatar
    To use a phrase familiar to WP early adopters... "Really?"
    I'm hardly an early adopter (first WP7 was a TITAN), but even I realised the phrased. Heck, I even heard it in the style of one of the women, and now hearing it in the other voices too. Creepy ****!
    08-06-2012 01:25 AM
  17. MrBurrrns's Avatar
    It's more than what other OSes have as it is,plus not even the apps have all the Facebook features. The point of it is to quickly do what most people do on Facebook then get out.
    That's exactly the problem: What if you want to do something, but simply can't?

    Want to send an offline message? Nope, you can't!
    Want to check your Facebook messages? Nope, you can't!
    Want to post a picture on somebody's wall? Nope, you can't!
    Want to check out the secret group you are a part of? Nope, you can't!*

    And I could go on... There is simply too much you can't do, to the point where the whole integration becomes moot. And also, most Android skins already have some sort of social integration built in. With iOS 6 now coming, the whole advantage for WP will be lost.

    * That's another issue, Facebook has added so much stuff since WP was conceived, but none of that has made it back to WP. So now you won't even see all notifications in the Me tile, simply because WP does not recognize it.

    It's so ridiculous and broken that it's becoming more of an obstacle than an advantage. What's the point of checking the Me tile when you KNOW that you will miss stuff there?

    Example: When I check my Facebook notifications on the site, I can see 6 notifications for today. The Me tile shows me 1. My WP phone has no idea there are 5 other notifications that happened in a secret group, so it will show me nothing. Nada. It's useless.

    So I never ever use the Me tile now, because from a User experience perspective it's simply broken.
    08-06-2012 07:35 AM
  18. jimski's Avatar
    It's more than what other OSes have as it is,plus not even the apps have all the Facebook features. The point of it is to quickly do what most people do on Facebook then get out.
    Exactly. My guess is there are maybe 25M Facebook Power Users, and then 200-300M casual users like me (the rest never look at FB after registering). The integration serves about 80-90% of my FB needs. Adding too much integration would mostly confuse users with xtra icons, switches, etc. Remember this is WP, not a FB phone.

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    08-06-2012 08:58 AM
  19. MrBurrrns's Avatar
    Exactly. My guess is there are maybe 25M Facebook Power Users, and then 200-300M casual users like me (the rest never look at FB after registering). The integration serves about 80-90% of my FB needs. Adding too much integration would mostly confuse users with xtra icons, switches, etc. Remember this is WP, not a FB phone.
    "The problem with online statistics is that 78% of them are made up." - Abraham Lincoln
    08-06-2012 09:21 AM
  20. cckgz4's Avatar
    Exactly. My guess is there are maybe 25M Facebook Power Users, and then 200-300M casual users like me (the rest never look at FB after registering). The integration serves about 80-90% of my FB needs. Adding too much integration would mostly confuse users with xtra icons, switches, etc. Remember this is WP, not a FB phone.

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    Boom! There it is
    08-06-2012 09:39 AM
  21. freestaterocker's Avatar
    "the problem with online statistics is that 78% of them are made up." - abraham lincoln
    +1
    08-06-2012 09:43 AM
  22. sinime's Avatar
    "The problem with online statistics is that 78% of them are made up." - Abraham Lincoln
    Lol, how did Abe Lincoln know about online statistics? I would have thought he was too busy killing vampires 50% of the time... Attachment 21653

    JK
    08-06-2012 10:00 AM
  23. MrBurrrns's Avatar
    Lol, how did Abe Lincoln know about online statistics? I would have thought he was too busy killing vampires 50% of the time... Attachment 21653

    JK
    He was a man of many faces :)
    08-06-2012 10:13 AM
  24. jfa1's Avatar
    Isuspect that soemthing was added to Abe's original quote which was made when he was alive.
    08-06-2012 11:44 AM
  25. eric12341's Avatar
    That's exactly the problem: What if you want to do something, but simply can't?

    Want to send an offline message? Nope, you can't!
    Want to check your Facebook messages? Nope, you can't!
    Want to post a picture on somebody's wall? Nope, you can't!
    Want to check out the secret group you are a part of? Nope, you can't!*

    And I could go on... There is simply too much you can't do, to the point where the whole integration becomes moot. And also, most Android skins already have some sort of social integration built in. With iOS 6 now coming, the whole advantage for WP will be lost.

    * That's another issue, Facebook has added so much stuff since WP was conceived, but none of that has made it back to WP. So now you won't even see all notifications in the Me tile, simply because WP does not recognize it.

    It's so ridiculous and broken that it's becoming more of an obstacle than an advantage. What's the point of checking the Me tile when you KNOW that you will miss stuff there?

    Example: When I check my Facebook notifications on the site, I can see 6 notifications for today. The Me tile shows me 1. My WP phone has no idea there are 5 other notifications that happened in a secret group, so it will show me nothing. Nada. It's useless.

    So I never ever use the Me tile now, because from a User experience perspective it's simply broken.

    I can send and receive offline messages just fine, I can also see some posts of the groups I'm part of in the people hub. The fact that it doesn't recognize and show all notifications is a good thing. I don't want to know that I'm being invited to Farmville or any other stupid apps they have on my Me tile.
    08-06-2012 02:47 PM
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