08-25-2012 02:26 AM
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  1. 12Danny123's Avatar
    RIM to take a little from Android and Windows Phone for the contacts list in BlackBerry 10

    why would RIM do this?. it says that they are taking the feature read the individual's latest tweets, Facebook status and more. on a phone contact.

    They shouldn't steal features from other OSes. Not good innovation
    Last edited by 12Danny123; 08-21-2012 at 12:34 AM.
    08-20-2012 02:40 AM
  2. poiman's Avatar
    RIM to take a little from Android and Windows Phone for the contacts list in BlackBerry 10

    why would RIM do this?. it says that they are taking the feature read the individual's latest tweets, Facebook status and more. on a phone contact.

    They should steal features from other OSes. Not good innovation
    BB10 is all about copying other OS. UI looks like Symbian, multitasking looks like meego, now contacts from android and Me hub from Windows Phone.
    Hope it fails.
    08-20-2012 05:43 AM
  3. Big Supes's Avatar
    BB10 is all about copying other OS. UI looks like Symbian, multitasking looks like meego, now contacts from android and Me hub from Windows Phone.
    Hope it fails.
    As well as featuring tiles on the homescreen.

    I wouldn't worry about it... it WILL fail.
    08-20-2012 05:59 AM
  4. X0LARIUM's Avatar
    If I was god, I would wipe RIM and its ugly "brainchild" BB from the face of this earth AND minds of the people.

    Seriously F#CK BB!
    08-20-2012 07:17 AM
  5. N8ter's Avatar
    WP7 stole it from Android (FriendStream, Social Hub) so I don't see what the problem is.
    08-20-2012 09:51 AM
  6. inteller's Avatar
    no it didn't, FriendStream is just a social aggregator, NOT your contacts. People Hub serves as your contacts as well as social updates and contact history.
    08-20-2012 10:05 AM
  7. Alex_Hong's Avatar
    Gist, a contacts management program started in 2008, before the launch of windows phone. They allowed linking of contacts to social networks. RIM purchased this company and incorporated their technology into their products. Namely BB10, and playbook os 2.0. On PlayBook OS 2.0, you can view facebook, twitter, linkedin, etc, posts on the contacts app itself.

    Even their current BBOS devices you can read the latest post from social networks, recent conversation, etc within the contacts app. The process is just tedious to do for lots of contacts, thus not much people actually know about it. For e.g. You actually have to go into the facebook app, find that contact, open up the menu, select "link to contact", then select that contact in your address book. It will populate the latest posts, and updates contacts photos on your phone's address book.

    If you ask me, its just the evolution of the contacts app. Eventually most platform will have this i believe. Just like in the past contacts was strictly just Name and Number. Then we had email, address, and multiple numbers. Then came social networks. Then now everything is tied together. Just go to contacts and it'll pul information from social networks, email, text, im, calendars, etc.

    IMO, nothing to make a big fuss out of. Also, its no good for anyone when one platform dies. The more choices there are, the better it is for consumers. I personally prefer WP, and BB, but I don't go around praying for the death of iOS and Android. They are all sizing up to be solid platforms, so lets just rejoice at the notion of choice. :D

    Peace.
    08-20-2012 10:50 AM
  8. mhans311's Avatar
    So much hate in these forums for other operating systems. I don't understand why we want RIM to go away so bad.
    08-20-2012 11:22 AM
  9. X0LARIUM's Avatar
    So much hate in these forums for other operating systems. I don't understand why we want RIM to go away so bad.
    Cause its time is up. Cause they have nothing in their kitty and up their sleeves to win back its lost status (if they ever had any). They don't have attractive designs, their phones lack features, and as a company they have no plan of the future. Even "BB", their (ugly) brainchild, was the proverbial one-song wonder. Lets talk about innovations. Apart from "BB" what else have they innovated? Look at MS, Google heck I would say look at even Apple. They know the game. Unlike RIM.

    I used to joke with my friends having BB. Its not by a company called RIM but RIN. Research in nothing.

    Sent from my RaZr Nexus.
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    08-20-2012 12:39 PM
  10. HeyCori's Avatar
    Hopefully RIM delivers a solid product, especially if they keep hyping it the way they do. But IMO, the UI is aesthetically displeasing. Maybe it will make more sense once RIM shows us how all the pieces fit, but right now it looks like an amalgam of several different OSs. I fear that a late start (2013), an ugly UI, and possibly a hideous chassis (their previous touch-based phones are pretty bland) could spell more doom/gloom for RIM.
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    08-20-2012 01:34 PM
  11. palandri's Avatar
    I think RIM needs to speed it up and get BB10 out. There are rumors flying around now saying BB10 won't be out until sometime 2013, and that's way to late if they want to keep up.
    08-20-2012 01:43 PM
  12. eric12341's Avatar
    WP7 stole it from Android (FriendStream, Social Hub) so I don't see what the problem is.

    Those are OEM specific features, they aren't part of Android at all.
    08-20-2012 01:44 PM
  13. Scout_313's Avatar
    So much hate in these forums for other operating systems. I don't understand why we want RIM to go away so bad.
    I actually really like what they've shown of BB10 so far. Considering the fact that the PlayBook was their first stab at a whole new OS, it was pretty sweet although it was lacking some basic functionality (much like WP7 was when it was released). As far as I'm concerned, I'd love to see as many great OSes available to choose from as there's nothing wrong with having too many options.
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    08-20-2012 01:54 PM
  14. blehblehbleh's Avatar
    Gist, a contacts management program started in 2008, before the launch of windows phone. They allowed linking of contacts to social networks. RIM purchased this company and incorporated their technology into their products.
    Yeah purchased last year
    08-20-2012 02:20 PM
  15. MrBurrrns's Avatar
    One could also make the argument that WebOS was the first OS to start this integration trend. Everybody is inspired by the competition, that's the whole point of competition - to drive the development of ideas and solutions. It's just progress.

    RIM did a lot for the smartphone market, I think some people here are either too young or too ignorant to appreciate their contribution to the industry. I wish them luck, they will need it.
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    08-20-2012 03:09 PM
  16. Reflexx's Avatar
    I wish RIM luck. But it's going to be tough for them.

    They don't have a big ecosystem to support them. Without that, they won't be able to compete except in a very niche market.
    08-20-2012 09:38 PM
  17. blehblehbleh's Avatar
    One could also make the argument that WebOS was the first OS to start this integration trend. Everybody is inspired by the competition, that's the whole point of competition - to drive the development of ideas and solutions. It's just progress.

    RIM did a lot for the smartphone market, I think some people here are either too young or too ignorant to appreciate their contribution to the industry. I wish them luck, they will need it.
    Yeah WebOS definitely laid the ground work for web service integration, but this is about getting status updates, something that I don't think WebOS did at the time and something that Android didn't get to it without a widget until within a recent amount of time (correct me if I'm wrong).

    I also understand with what you're saying about how it's just a company following the benchmark trends that the competition establishes. Though technically, that's just an indirect way of saying who laid the groundwork first on what functionality. Not really something to get so upset about for sure, but let's not diminish credit where credit may be due in this case, which some of the comments above sort of suggest.
    08-21-2012 01:06 AM
  18. smoledman's Avatar
    It won't do RIM any good, they're dead man walking.
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    08-21-2012 01:08 AM
  19. cckgz4's Avatar
    I think 2013 is way too late for a release if they are showing off all of this now. The attention span of people is too short. Yes the general community probably doesn't know about this but that is more time for them to be more invested in another platform.
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    08-21-2012 01:47 AM
  20. cgk's Avatar
    I think RIM needs to speed it up and get BB10 out. There are rumors flying around now saying BB10 won't be out until sometime 2013, and that's way to late if they want to keep up.
    Rumours? It's a fact as confirmed by RIM themselves - the first two devices will be out in 2013, likely around January/feb.


    As for the wider issue here - who cares? Unless you are a MS shareholder or a corporate booster - and why someone wants to boost one faceless corporation over another is beyond me. Platforms always steal off each and that's good for the consumer because the competition forces progress.
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    08-21-2012 02:10 AM
  21. Alex_Hong's Avatar
    More choices, more competition amongst the companies are good for consumers. It forces the company to do better than the others each time. They may implement similar features as another platform, and try to make it better, then other companies will do the same.

    You can also argue that without the iphone, we probably will not have the phones we have now. Full touch screen devices may still be using resistive touch screens and require a stylus or fingernails to use properly. I may not like using iOS, but i think that it pushed the mobile industry forward by a few years, and i can respect that. It forced the other players to react and try to improve the existing OS, or come up an entirely new OS like MS, RIM, is doing.

    As mentioned above, unless you're a shareholder or have other vested interested in how well the company performs, i don't see why people want other platform or company to die.
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    08-22-2012 04:29 AM
  22. cgk's Avatar
    Indeed, competition is good however the way the market is now structured RIM is now simply too small to compete effectively against giants like Samsung, Apple and Google - it simply can't access the economics of scale that they do - so to in the game they need to sell many many more phones (highly unlikely) to make up the difference in margins.
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    08-22-2012 04:37 AM
  23. Alex_Hong's Avatar
    Indeed, competition is good however the way the market is now structured RIM is now simply too small to compete effectively against giants like Samsung, Apple and Google - it simply can't access the economics of scale that they do - so to in the game they need to sell many many more phones (highly unlikely) to make up the difference in margins.
    Agree. But i think RIM doesn't need to win the rest of the platforms in terms of market share. They just need to sell phones like they use to. They need BB10 to be good, and for people to actually consider BB10 as a competitive product. They can be 3rd or 4th and still do well financially. Of course we will still need more people to adopt smartphone first, seeing that there are still more feature phones than smart phones.
    08-22-2012 04:46 AM
  24. GoodThings2Life's Avatar
    I'm an IT guy. I'm a tech guy for a living. I can tell you with absolute certainty that RIM (and Blackberry platform) NEEDS to die.

    Most people don't recall the 2004-2006 timeframe where they were getting sued left and right for patent violations and malicious business practices. They were fighting back, of course, and as is usually the case they win some lose some, and managed to come out OK.

    However, as a tech guy, I can tell you that there isn't a single feature or function or device that is innovative or beneficial to consumers. RIM Blackberry Server is a terrible e-mail system that doesn't even begin to compare with Exchange, and barely can compete with other low-end e-mail systems, and yet they charge a premium for it.

    Their phones used to (don't know if they still do) charge additional fees for the basic features above and beyond what the cost of the phone and carrier plans were... even if you didn't use them. They don't support ActiveSync (at least, they didn't used to), and their entire existence is based on proprietary technologies.

    In other words... they don't play well with others.

    Meanwhile, the company has been horribly mismanaged, and while I don't want to see people lose their livelihoods, I'm quite confident that those employees would find work elsewhere and the executives will just move on to destroy other companies... or live on their wealth.

    I'm all for competition, and I'm all for business. But I do believe that THIS COMPANY has been run into the ground by their own negligence, and despite countless opportunities to succeed, they continue to be failures in the industry. That does not benefit the industry, the consumers, or the employees of the company.

    As for copying ideas, well, as long as the ideas are properly licensed, not a big deal. :)
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    08-23-2012 08:01 AM
  25. X0LARIUM's Avatar
    I'm an IT guy. I'm a tech guy for a living. I can tell you with absolute certainty that RIM (and Blackberry platform) NEEDS to die.

    Most people don't recall the 2004-2006 timeframe where they were getting sued left and right for patent violations and malicious business practices. They were fighting back, of course, and as is usually the case they win some lose some, and managed to come out OK.

    However, as a tech guy, I can tell you that there isn't a single feature or function or device that is innovative or beneficial to consumers. RIM Blackberry Server is a terrible e-mail system that doesn't even begin to compare with Exchange, and barely can compete with other low-end e-mail systems, and yet they charge a premium for it.

    Their phones used to (don't know if they still do) charge additional fees for the basic features above and beyond what the cost of the phone and carrier plans were... even if you didn't use them. They don't support ActiveSync (at least, they didn't used to), and their entire existence is based on proprietary technologies.

    In other words... they don't play well with others.

    Meanwhile, the company has been horribly mismanaged, and while I don't want to see people lose their livelihoods, I'm quite confident that those employees would find work elsewhere and the executives will just move on to destroy other companies... or live on their wealth.

    I'm all for competition, and I'm all for business. But I do believe that THIS COMPANY has been run into the ground by their own negligence, and despite countless opportunities to succeed, they continue to be failures in the industry. That does not benefit the industry, the consumers, or the employees of the company.

    As for copying ideas, well, as long as the ideas are properly licensed, not a big deal. :)
    Thank you. Its high time people realized this. I hate BB more than Sammy and I have reasons.

    BB is soooooo old its not even funny.

    Sent from my RaZr Nexus.
    08-23-2012 11:01 PM
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