01-25-2013 07:03 AM
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  1. tk-093's Avatar
    Thanks again for all the replies

    my galaxy nexus is about to die so I need a new phone asap. I am going to buy out of contract and thanks to Nokia today, I'm going to get the 8x -now to find one in the limited edition Verizon gray and green
    Cool. Not to make it anymore difficult, but since you're buying out of contract, you may want to think about the 822. I really like it and I don't mind the lesser resolution screen at all (especially when you consider that my other device is a GS3 with a really nice big screen.) The only reason I mention the 822 is you can probably find it a lot cheaper then the 8x and with that extra $$ you save, you might feel better about upgrading to the next big Windows device that comes out this spring/summer.

    Either way, welcome!
    a5cent likes this.
    01-23-2013 03:31 PM
  2. lippidp's Avatar
    Wait 'till MWC. Something new will be announced for Verizon. I think that is good advice for both you and your GF, if you can wait...
    Sure, then wait another few months for whatever they unveil to actually launch. Then wait another few weeks or months for updates to make said device stable and useable.
    aubreyq likes this.
    01-23-2013 04:08 PM
  3. iainmann's Avatar
    And Nokia Drive sat nav app now released for ALL WP8 phones so HTC now more of a goer:

    IJSMblog: Windows Phone news and apps: Microsoft releases Nokia Drive app for ALL Windows Phone 8 users
    01-23-2013 04:33 PM
  4. a5cent's Avatar
    Sure, then wait another few months for whatever they unveil to actually launch. Then wait another few weeks or months for updates to make said device stable and useable.
    1) He was on Verizon
    2) He liked the 920
    3) He liked the 8x smaller format
    4) He wanted a TBT nav app (only available on Lumia when that comment was made)
    5) MWC is just a month away, when just such a device will be announced

    I think the OP has every right to get that information. What he does with it is his choice.

    Too dense to understand that point?
    01-23-2013 04:33 PM
  5. sharpinator's Avatar
    Well with the news about nokia drive I take my comment back about there being no decent navigation apps! That was great timing. To the person who I said "You must be blind"to I'm not really being rude It was kind of sarcastic. I did specifically say the facebook app and not the built in app so I thought you were denying lag. Android facebook really isn't that laggy and it has WAY more functionality. I plan on sticking with my windows phone for a while so hopefully I'll see some updates. They just really need to sort the apps out. I really really like windows phone! Please developers sort your apps out. The apps need to be more advanced like the ios and android apps.
    01-23-2013 05:55 PM
  6. apinkel's Avatar
    I've got an atrix 2 (my 3rd android), an iphone 4s and a Lumia 820. The lumia is my daily driver.

    I find WP8 to be mid-way between ios and android. It's stable, polished and smooth like ios but more flexible. It's not as flexible as android but it's been more stable and polished (although to be fair I don't have a jellybean device).

    Things I like on WP8... the UI design, the smoothness, the stability, the text and email apps (calendar is OK but nothing to write home about), picture auto-upload to skydrive. I'm in the minority here but IMO it has the best notification system of the three major platforms. I live in the midwest and travel thru rural areas where on device maps are really nice to have so nokia drive is also a big plus for me.

    Things that are not so great... volume control is too limited (ios does this best IMO... it just works the way you think it should while android is so flexible it can make something that should be simple complicated). Limited app selection... no good voip/sip client, limited google apps. Some obscure, yet seemingly basic things are also still missing in WP8... support for telecom codecs which renders many pbx voicemail messages unplayable, enterprise support is still a work in progress.

    Battery life is better than my atrix 2 but not as good as my iphone 4s. I can make it two days of light to medium use on a charge.
    01-23-2013 06:12 PM
  7. LeLee092's Avatar
    Tell your girlfriend not to worry..
    Me and my (at the time) boyfriend were big android users.. I'm especially really into social media like instagram/spotify/twitter/facebook/tumblr/pinterest
    Finally my mytouch 4g died one me, and kinda on a whim i ended up getting the 8x, the price was right and I really liked the OS.
    I havent regretted my decision at all! I do still miss Instagram, but metrogram will do for now, and I found really good third party app for almost everything, youtube=metrotube, twitter=rowi, tumblr=blueprints, pinterest=pinspiration
    Everything is done a lot more seamless, and the if you really spend the time to personalize it the OS is a lot better than Android IMO, perfect medium between way to boring and simple iPhone, and way to customized whats-all-this-tech-stuff that android is (never moded my android or did any of those 'fun' stuff with it so i dont really care for it)
    01-24-2013 04:07 AM
  8. MarcMaiden's Avatar
    Tell your girlfriend not to worry..
    Me and my (at the time) boyfriend were big android users.. I'm especially really into social media like instagram/spotify/twitter/facebook/tumblr/pinterest
    Finally my mytouch 4g died one me, and kinda on a whim i ended up getting the 8x, the price was right and I really liked the OS.
    I havent regretted my decision at all! I do still miss Instagram, but metrogram will do for now, and I found really good third party app for almost everything, youtube=metrotube, twitter=rowi, tumblr=blueprints, pinterest=pinspiration
    Everything is done a lot more seamless, and the if you really spend the time to personalize it the OS is a lot better than Android IMO, perfect medium between way to boring and simple iPhone, and way to customized whats-all-this-tech-stuff that android is (never moded my android or did any of those 'fun' stuff with it so i dont really care for it)
    Thanks for this, I will show my girlfriend this - (helped me, too) I think I'd miss instagram as well, but I spent more time looking at pictures than posting them anyways
    01-24-2013 09:52 AM
  9. MarcMaiden's Avatar
    Thanks for the suggestions about waiting for MWC/ getting the cheaper phone

    I can't trust Verizon here - If I wait for the high end Lumia - chances are it'll come with an ugly Verizon tramp stamp - I want to experience windows phone with the high end, not the low end (even though there might not be much of a difference). I'm going with the 8x (a local used phone reseller sells them for $300 like new) and if something that really blows my mind comes out that I have to have...I have an upgrade for.

    My theory is that this 6 month exclusivity will end, Verizon will get the 920 (or there version of it) and then AT&T will own the new rumored EOS Nokia launching later this year.

    anyways, I'll relay this info to my girlfriend and hopefully she'll follow me :)
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    01-24-2013 10:05 AM
  10. aubreyq's Avatar
    Thanks for the suggestions about waiting for MWC/ getting the cheaper phone

    I can't trust Verizon here - If I wait for the high end Lumia - chances are it'll come with an ugly Verizon tramp stamp - I want to experience windows phone with the high end, not the low end (even though there might not be much of a difference). I'm going with the 8x (a local used phone reseller sells them for $300 like new) and if something that really blows my mind comes out that I have to have...I have an upgrade for.

    My theory is that this 6 month exclusivity will end, Verizon will get the 920 (or there version of it) and then AT&T will own the new rumored EOS Nokia launching later this year.

    anyways, I'll relay this info to my girlfriend and hopefully she'll follow me :)
    Well today you can get the Samsung Odyssey on Verizon for $50 but that's not a high end phone. Oh, and it comes with TWO hideous tramp stamps.
    01-24-2013 10:31 AM
  11. ryker002's Avatar
    Windows Phone is a good choice to go with, I believe Android is faltering, and soon enough when people just like you keep switching to Windows Phone the market share will go up and apps will be developed for Windows Phone.
    The Nokia Navigation app is amazing, and as stated before I do not believe that facebook on Windows Phone is slow at all... and on the contrary a lot faster then androids.
    01-24-2013 02:19 PM
  12. halimaw96's Avatar
    Where is everyone getting the notion that android is faltering? The last time I checked it had over 75% of the global smartphone market.
    01-24-2013 04:49 PM
  13. a5cent's Avatar
    Where is everyone getting the notion that android is faltering? The last time I checked it had over 75% of the global smartphone market.
    I think those are predictions about Android's future. They certainly can't be based on Android's current market share.

    I'm not ready to say Android is faltering, but I do see a huge hole in their flank. The high end Android devices of the world aren't that important in terms of market share. They serve primarily as high margin products to bolster Samsung's profits. Market share is achieved by the sub $200 devices. WP isn't quite their yet, but it is getting close. When Chinese manufacturers start flooding Eastern Europe, Russia and Asia with cheap low end WP devices, that is when I expect Android to surrender a good chunk of market share to WP. The way Android is setup, it simply has no chance of offering a competitive user experience that can match WP's at such low price levels.

    That is my prediction. I'm not sure where other's see holes in Androids defence.
    01-24-2013 05:38 PM
  14. sharpinator's Avatar
    You can dream! Android isn't faltering and I apply my favourite phrase "What goes up must come down" to lots of things in life and I think that's what is happening or will happen with android. They can't really get any more market share, they'll just lose some. Same happened to iphones before android blew up. iPhones were the pinnacle of smartphones until android phones gained traction. I remember my mum saying that "They reckon that android will overtake iphones in the next couple of years" My mum being an iphone fan doubted that when the end of that year android overtook iphones! Operating systems can grow very quickly but I just don't know with windows phone. I think windows phone might just be the new blackberry sitting at a comfortable third place.
    01-24-2013 06:35 PM
  15. MarcMaiden's Avatar
    Yeah I definitely don't see Android falling anytime soon - I still have a soft spot for Android - I just think Google needs to sort out it's issues with the Carriers and the OEMs before I can consider coming back.

    The most beautiful thing I have ever seen on any phone is on my HTC 8x- at the signal bar, it says "lte" not 4g, not verizon, no carrier branding nothing - just lte - and that my friends is a beautiful thing.
    01-24-2013 06:45 PM
  16. Nategreat's Avatar
    I've had an Android for over two years and just made the switch to WP8 a few weeks ago. I was interested in the OS but my main motivations were the phone and price so I would say I switched in spite of the phone having WP8.

    For the first couple of days I had alarm bells going off in my head and was regretting my decision. It almost felt like I had just gotten married and suddenly realized I didn't like the person at all.

    BUT, after a few days with the phone I will say without a doubt that it is the best OS on a phone. I am fully into the Google ecosystem and was able to integrate fully and easily so I don't understand that argument. There may be some apps I will find out I miss but so far I am a very happy and converted camper.

    WP8 seems to take the best of both worlds. It has a clean standardized OS that makes it faster and less bloated but still gives you a more open platform with some customization.

    Music is lacking for sure. Xbox music is horrid and spotify isn't available, nor is Google music or Amazon mp3. It's honestly ridiculous that Xbox music is the only option but there it is.

    That is the only real drawback I've experienced. I say make the plunge!
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    01-24-2013 07:08 PM
  17. a5cent's Avatar
    You can dream!
    I like to think I'm doing a bit more than just dreaming

    You can't judge an OS and predict it's long term success based solely on what you see bubbling up to the UI. Not because that is unimportant, but because that can change within six months.

    What is important lies beneath the surface, for example:

    • The cost of developing an Android device vs. a WP device (the time required and the cost of adapting Symbian to each of Nokia's devices is what destroyed it... Android is similar)
    • How well an OS is optimized to run on low-end/low-price hardware (you can't tell if all you've ever owned were mid- to high-end Android devices)
    • How low-end devices are sold by each manufacturer into developing markets, and what role carriers and governments play.

    These things (and a great many others) are what make or break an OS long term, because they can't change quickly. Compared to Android, WP holds a better position in most of these area's. Unfortunately, in the user experience department, WP is still only half baked, but as I said, that can change comparatively quickly.

    Of course that point where I expect WP to make its market share grab is still quite a ways off, and much can change in that time. Now, where did I leave my crystal ball?

    Note that this has nothing to do with Android failing or going away. Faltering is the term people are using. Those are not the same things. I'm also not necessarily rooting for Android to fail *. My interest in predictions stems only from being invested in the stock market.

    * Edit: Ok, I take that back. I don't like Android. From my developers point of view the concepts around which Android is organized makes it look like a Chevy Chevette with a Ferrari motor, whereas WP looks like a Fisker Karma.
    Last edited by a5cent; 01-24-2013 at 09:45 PM.
    01-24-2013 09:20 PM
  18. halimaw96's Avatar
    Its good that your buyers remorse has disappeared! WP8 has a lot of potential, it just needs those bugs fixed. I personally wish I could've gone with android instead, but what's done is done, and I'm in love with Nokia's design aesthetic.

    On the whole android faltering thing, until the open-source war coming this year gives birth to another dominant open sourced OS, its definitely not going away.
    01-24-2013 09:25 PM
  19. eric12341's Avatar
    I've had an Android for over two years and just made the switch to WP8 a few weeks ago. I was interested in the OS but my main motivations were the phone and price so I would say I switched in spite of the phone having WP8.

    For the first couple of days I had alarm bells going off in my head and was regretting my decision. It almost felt like I had just gotten married and suddenly realized I didn't like the person at all.

    BUT, after a few days with the phone I will say without a doubt that it is the best OS on a phone. I am fully into the Google ecosystem and was able to integrate fully and easily so I don't understand that argument. There may be some apps I will find out I miss but so far I am a very happy and converted camper.

    WP8 seems to take the best of both worlds. It has a clean standardized OS that makes it faster and less bloated but still gives you a more open platform with some customization.

    Music is lacking for sure. Xbox music is horrid and spotify isn't available, nor is Google music or Amazon mp3. It's honestly ridiculous that Xbox music is the only option but there it is.

    That is the only real drawback I've experienced. I say make the plunge!
    How is Xbox music horrid? Besides the syncing experience (tho I've had no problems). I love being able to pull down just about any song I want and listen to it without opening an app or without buying it.
    01-24-2013 09:47 PM
  20. TechAbstract's Avatar
    I've had an Android for over two years and just made the switch to WP8 a few weeks ago. I was interested in the OS but my main motivations were the phone and price so I would say I switched in spite of the phone having WP8.

    For the first couple of days I had alarm bells going off in my head and was regretting my decision. It almost felt like I had just gotten married and suddenly realized I didn't like the person at all.

    BUT, after a few days with the phone I will say without a doubt that it is the best OS on a phone. I am fully into the Google ecosystem and was able to integrate fully and easily so I don't understand that argument. There may be some apps I will find out I miss but so far I am a very happy and converted camper.

    WP8 seems to take the best of both worlds. It has a clean standardized OS that makes it faster and less bloated but still gives you a more open platform with some customization.

    Music is lacking for sure. Xbox music is horrid and spotify isn't available, nor is Google music or Amazon mp3. It's honestly ridiculous that Xbox music is the only option but there it is.

    That is the only real drawback I've experienced. I say make the plunge!
    Amazing Music and Graffiti Radio are awesome music apps. You should try them. Amazing Music lets you search any song you want to play and you could cache them to play offline. Graffiti Radio is as close as a paid version of Pandora as you can get. It has unlimited song skipping, full lyrics, and no commercial.
    01-24-2013 10:11 PM
  21. Ben Lehtovaara's Avatar
    Hi all,

    My girlfriend and I are long time Android users...well I am (I actually used to own an HTC Surround for a while)

    First off, why am I thinking about switching? Well, I have been kind of bored with Android, I think Verizon is most to blame, I could get the Droid DNA (I like the design and hardware) but it's full of bloat, and sense is dated. I have been ROMing since the OG Droid and frankly, I'm tired of it. My girlfriend wants to come to WP8 because she likes the simplified experience - though she might be a bit more oblivious to what she might miss out on which is why I am here.

    I am on Verizon (so naturally the 8x is my choice) and she is on AT&T (I want her to go Lumia 920 but I think she is leaning to the 8x)

    I already know that the core app experience (mail, calendar, texting, browsing, performance) is great - That, I have no problems with.

    I guess you can call this an "App" thread - but I need to ask these questions to make sure I am making the right choices.

    Let's assume I get the HTC 8x (which seems to be lacking some of the important features the Lumia has)

    What do I do for turn by turn navigation? (App choices)

    How has your experience been with WP8? Did you switch from Android?

    How is the battery life in general?

    How is the Microsoft Wallet experience?

    Do you experience reboots/crashes/freezes?

    Is there anything you miss from Android that there is no equivalent for?

    Thanks for your help,
    This is more for my Girlfriend than myself - I think I'd be happy with Windows phone 8 considering that I own a Surface, W8 desktop, and Xbox 360 - converting wont be too difficult, but my girlfriend is a bit different, she is still looking for her ecosystem - and I rather have her stay with Google than go back to Apple.
    I'll start by saying that there is a Lumia 920 variant coming to Verizon soon so you do have options. I LOVE the Lumia 920's industrial design, specs, and features. The camera especially still blows my mind. but...

    I think I would recommend the 8X for you both simply because it has far superior build quality. Pop over to the Lumia 920 forum and you will see all the threads about constant warranty replacements due to silly issues: Proximity sensor failing, reboots, mysterious battery drain, creaking/clicking body, dust in the camera lens. Personally, between my wife and I, we will soon be on our 5th and 6th lumia 920's after all the warranty replacements. Nokia has some serious manufacturing issues to resolve.

    For turn by turn navigation Nokia Drive+ and Nokia maps is exceptional. Drive+ will now be available on an 8X as well. I haven't found any issues compared to google maps from my iPhone 4.

    I switched from an iPhone 4 and am in love with the operating system. It feels so much more mature. Operation is fast and fluid, menus are all very intuitive, multi-tasking (while still not perfectly intuitive) is light years ahead of Android/iPhone, and you already know how amazing the core app experience is (skydrive etc.) I felt like my iPhone was like a toy with all the bubbly icons and the layered menus were just terrible. I haven't used Android but it is just so very derivative from iOS that I never felt the need to try. If google didn't give android away for free, they would be buried in patent litigation from Apple for all the stuff that is just carbon copied over. Widgets and just a confusing addition that tries to mask it.

    I can't comment directly on battery life with the 8X but I will say you have to be a bit careful in WP8 with your background apps. Remember that you push back while in an app to close it and the windows button to switch and keep it running. If you just push the windows key all the time you will have all your apps running which can occasionally lead to unexpected battery drain.

    I haven't used the wallet on my Lumia 920 very much at all because I don't really see what it is for. I suppose I can say the same for Google wallet. It keeps my payment information (credit card/paypal) under a PIN lock and I think I can manually add barcodes for loyalty card but i think that is it. We all know that there is still no infrastructure for NFC payment which is supposed to be the point of the whole "mobile phone wallet" app. In Canada at least, banks just released debit/credit cards with NFC-type chips but they NEVER work. Every cashier is astonished when you ask to use it and it never works.... I don't even foresee a time when using my phones NFC will actually work based on this preliminary evidence. What does google wallet do thats different?

    I have experienced one freeze which I had to perform a hard reboot to shake off. Nothing since. Pretty sure Portico fixed all those issues.

    Can't really comment on anything else related to Android.

    Overall, I would highly recommend WP8. Its an amazing OS experience. Just the mere ability to customize the start screen any way you want it SO much fun. Good-bye kiddy app icons, I can now pin ANYTHING to my start screen: photos, people, social networks, recipes, albums, songs, and the list goes on. My brother who is an avid android user sometimes makes comments about being able to confuse your phone with someone elses and it now makes me laugh... my start screen is so personalized it makes me smile every time I turn my phone on.

    As for the overall app experience I think its coming along quite well. I've never been an avid app user to be honest, coming from my iPhone I could never really find many apps that were useful. On WP8 I have found quite a bit more. I think its probably driven by how much better the store experience is. Much easier to find popular/new apps and everything is presented in such a cleaner way.
    01-25-2013 07:03 AM
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