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05-30-2013 09:12 AM
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  1. WanderingTraveler's Avatar
    Actually, thinking about all the issues that WP8 had, I was actually thinking of going for a Nokia 700 and slugging it for a while, at least until the're fixed. Now that I think of it, I'd actually prefer a 710.
    05-28-2013 07:31 AM
  2. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    Actually, thinking about all the issues that WP8 had, I was actually thinking of going for a Nokia 700 and slugging it for a while, at least until the're fixed. Now that I think of it, I'd actually prefer a 710.
    You're still on Symbian aren't you? Though I know Symbian lacks a lot of apps I am slightly regretting dumping Symbian and going to WP. It had more of the functionality I liked over WP. Regardless of it's app situation and it's so called 'clunkiness' which never bothered me. The navigation apps on Symbian are far superior to that of WP, especially the Drive app. I'm hoping WP8 will get better eventually otherwise I'll be getting a different phone in a year or so.
    05-28-2013 07:39 AM
  3. Jazmac's Avatar
    Not going back to wp7. Been there done that. It was cool when I got it and I had my share of disappointment with the high expectations of this device.(Such as the comments made in a presentation by Joe Belifiore as it relates to airlines and traffic that somehow does appear on the latest GS4 device) But since WP8 dropped, it is very well done OS. Could it be better? Yes. Will it improve? Of course it will. But going back to WP7 is a non starter.
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    05-28-2013 10:25 AM
  4. snowmutt's Avatar
    This is one of the calmest, interesting threads on the strengths and weakness of WP. I truly have enjoyed it and the lack of slams/OS fan rants. Thanks to everyone.

    First off, if I had upgraded to WP8 early this year, I am sure I would NOT go back to WP 7. I hope I did not give the impression. WP 8 is a step in the right direction, and it had to happen to get MS where they want to be- a cross platform OS that rivals Apple. That is the one area that Apple still shines over everyone else- what they have works well across all their meadia options.

    Now, MS is a different animal- their dedication to full desk top work options means certain things will never cross platform to mobile and vice-versa. But the attempt to get as close as they can in the next few years is going to be interesting. Throw in just how MAMMOTH Microsoft is and all the infighting that must be going on, and I am amazed they have made the strides they have.

    However, that means some of the decisions are painful, and WP is paying the price. That is why I say I would not upgrade now. I love me some Zune pass. It is a great deal, easy to load, and easy to manage. XBOX Music is the step they HAVE to take to get the cross platform to work right- cloud controlled and unshackled to a computer. Also, easier to sell to companies and artists because it will work across so many mediums. But it is just... awkward.

    There are other things I hope change in WP. I hope the way they do address books change- I find it annoying and limiting that they make me pick from a drop down menu what a phone number is instead of allowing me to type in any designation I want. (If for instance someone has three work numbers to be reached, I have to assign it "fax number" or something dumb because I just can't say work #3). I can't assign different tones to texts or emails. I am also not as big of a fan of the WP keyboard as most of us are. I would like a couple of choices.


    But, boy I love the fluidness of WP. I love the tiles. I love the functions of the live tiles and the new homescreen on WP8. I love that a unified notification is coming, especially since I trust MS to get it right when they take their time. I love trial versions of paid apps, I love deleating crap I do not want, and I love the list in alphabetical order when I am looking for the crap I have kept. And, truly, I love MS products. Now, what I said about BB10 is very true- anyone who liked WebOS should spend a few minutes (or over an hour, like I did) with a Z10 and the system is just FUN. I am not tempted yet, I need a better set of devices and I want to see BB keep up with support, something I am not sure they can do.

    Also, I like my WP community. I would miss em. Even on other web sites, the WP users are USUALLY among the most level headed, respectful of other OS's, and aware of the short comings of all of the mobile options. So there. I said it.
    05-28-2013 10:50 AM
  5. gsquared's Avatar
    I see no reason to migrate backwards for two reasons:

    1. Not having any issues.
    2. I do not believe the majority of people commenting here even own WP's. Some of the comments made just do not jive.
    05-28-2013 11:10 AM
  6. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    I see no reason to migrate backwards for two reasons:

    1. Not having any issues.
    2. I do not believe the majority of people commenting here even own WP's. Some of the comments made just do not jive.
    1. You've been lucky
    2. You haven't indicated who you think doesn't own a WP8. Saying 'majority' means squat.
    05-28-2013 11:16 AM
  7. vish2801's Avatar
    I have very high hopes from blue update. I wish we will get a major jackpot in blue but it's far far away from now, till then I'll keep my nexus 4 as primary device and continue using 520 as secondary, if blue gives me what I hope, I'll jumped to new Nokia's awesome device in no time.
    05-28-2013 11:41 AM
  8. ololmarc's Avatar
    i cut the middle man and bought myself a s4 from a lumia 920.
    next day i sold my 920 with no regrets. finally finished with my windows potato 8. that phone had bugs everywhere.
    05-28-2013 12:12 PM
  9. dgr_874's Avatar
    I see no reason to migrate backwards for two reasons:

    1. Not having any issues.
    2. I do not believe the majority of people commenting here even own WP's. Some of the comments made just do not jive.
    So, because you personally don't have any issues you are going to attack the rest of us by insinuating we don't even have a windows phone? Wow...
    05-28-2013 02:29 PM
  10. shlomo80's Avatar
    I've just switched to a Razr i from a Lumia 800 and while it is not a patch on WP in terms of general usability, I'm plesantly surprised how easy it is to use compared to older android handsets I've had.
    Android has taken major leaps forwards, especially in the first couple of years but even thereafter, pretty solid leaps. It's just that it's still quite a bit of a mess for me. And while MS used to be branded the Apple photocopier, Google is now an even more prolific aper of what Apple does where it makes sense to do so - so they keep the updates coming thick and fast.

    This is the problem I see with WP8 tho: That speed of progress isn't being replicated, and it really needs it. WP7 was a brand new breath of fresh air, but everyone else has had a chance to poke around and start to take, or improve on, what's best from it now and tack it on to their already solid OS's. I just get the impression that Microsoft is still busy patting itself on the back after shipping WP8.

    Get rid of Zune? OK - the brand was a disaster anyway, fair enough... but we lost a whole bunch of functionality in the process, allied to the kinda insult that's XBox Music & the WP8 sync tools - which are, foreffssake, 'Previews' on Windows 7. Jeez. Three screens and a cloud? Fine. Then to start with, we need some sort of cloud-based equivalent of Zune that can sync device states, tracks and track metadata - and there's nothing of that sort on the horizon, not even a rumour - only a catch-up second-rate iTunes Match wannabe allied to a half-baked Spotify equivalent (yes, we know Zune started first, but Spotify has hugely improved it's own offerings since then).

    All this, as I said before, is pretty depressing.

    As for the architectural changes in WP8, I'm sure we all know, or can see, why they did it. But they can't expect us to give them credit for it, even though maintaining app compatibility with a total under-the-hood-change is a big deal. They need to move.
    Last edited by shlomo80; 05-28-2013 at 02:49 PM.
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    05-28-2013 02:30 PM
  11. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    This is the problem I see with WP8 tho: That speed of progress isn't being replicated, and it really needs it. WP7 was a brand new breath of fresh air, but everyone else has had a chance to poke around and start to take, or improve on, what's best from it now and tack it on to their already solid OS's. I just get the impression that Microsoft is still busy patting itself on the back after shipping WP8.
    This is the thing I keep pointing out. There seems to be this very slow progress for a mobile OS that's in third place. They seem to have a higher opinion of their OS than their users, or should I say some of their users. There are those who are quite ecstatic with WP8 and seem to be over joyed when we get a 2 year old game ported over or some third party app because the original developer can't be bothered catering to a small market. The current state of WP8 is not great. It's simply OK. Thing is OK isn't good enough. I'm also tired of being told to be patient.
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    05-28-2013 02:47 PM
  12. lippidp's Avatar
    Anyway, enough about Android. Back on topic. I never used WP7. What are the main features it lacks compared with WP8?
    Here are features you will GAIN if moving to WP7.8:

    •FM Radio support
    •Native turn-by-turn touch to announce driving directions (replaced by third party apps in WP8)
    •WiFi sync with the desktop (in WP8 only cloud sync or USB transfer is available)
    •Auto-playlists sync (playlists need to be created manually in WP8)
    •Quick share to Facebook. In WP8 you have to press the Share button, scroll, & tap Facebook
    •Sharing posts and pictures to the Windows Live Social is gone in WP8
    •The option to remove location info from pictures when uploading to social networks is gone in WP8 (but you can still
    disallow saving location information with photos)
    •The “New Note” start screen tile shortcut is no longer available in WP8

    FM Radio is said to be coming in GDR2, but as I've learned from past experience you should not count on it until it's actually there. I have not moved to WP8 for these reasons plus there is no device available with a keyboard. And, don't forget the "Other Storage" bug in WP8 is not present in WP7.
    Last edited by lippidp; 05-28-2013 at 04:18 PM.
    05-28-2013 04:01 PM
  13. chezm's Avatar
    if my WP7.5 device wasn't broken (Focus), i would probably not have bought L920. I think WP8 is an advancement, but not enough to warrant running to upgrade.
    05-28-2013 04:36 PM
  14. neo158's Avatar
    Here are features you will GAIN if moving to WP7.8:

    •FM Radio support
    •Native turn-by-turn touch to announce driving directions (replaced by third party apps in WP8)
    •WiFi sync with the desktop (in WP8 only cloud sync or USB transfer is available)
    •Auto-playlists sync (playlists need to be created manually in WP8)
    •Quick share to Facebook. In WP8 you have to press the Share button, scroll, & tap Facebook
    •Sharing posts and pictures to the Windows Live Social is gone in WP8
    •The option to remove location info from pictures when uploading to social networks is gone in WP8 (but you can still
    disallow saving location information with photos)
    •The “New Note” start screen tile shortcut is no longer available in WP8

    FM Radio is said to be coming in GDR2, but as I've learned from past experience you should not count on it until it's actually there. I have not moved to WP8 for these reasons plus there is no device available with a keyboard. And, don't forget the "Other Storage" bug in WP8 is not present in WP7.
    1. FM Radio support is coming as you mentioned.
    2. HERE Drive, Maps and Transit are available on ALL Windows Phone 8 devices, no need for it to be native.
    3. I know that WiFi sync was available for the Zune, not for Windows Phone though.
    4. Media sync, playlist or not, was only handled by the Zune software and only after dragging and dropping the media to the device.
    5. Quick share to Facebook was probably moved because it made more sense than having a separate option for it.
    6. Windows Live Social was shut down when they rebranded to Microsoft Account so there is no surprise there, who really used Windows Live for social networking anyway.
    7. Again, it makes more sense to have one place to do this from rather than two separate options that are virtually identical.
    8. The reason for this is that since OneNote was separated from the Office Hub you can just pin OneNote to the start screen instead.

    I agree with Jazmac, WP8 isn't perfect but it will improve. You have to remember that Microsoft look at usability statistics that's why some of the options were removed or moved to other places.

    I wouldn't move back to my HD7 though as the improvements in other areas far outweigh the removed features. My dad has my HD7 now anyway.
    05-28-2013 06:27 PM
  15. Huime's Avatar
    playlist sync is fine and all. Had been using it out of the box on my 920 since december.
    05-28-2013 07:45 PM
  16. Villain's Avatar
    I complained about the Zune software and now it's gone.... Karma


    biggest issue for me is the damn device eating up memory... which again is karma because I kept saying "16gb is enough space"
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    05-28-2013 08:01 PM
  17. Microsoftjunkie's Avatar
    tired of hearing the same things over and over. nobody here knows what the hell Microsoft is doing behind closed doors. if anything I believe changing to the NT kernel has pushed everything back.

    Nobody knows how many problems they incurred or what is preventing then from moving faster. Windows phone is more complete and featured than anything that has had the same amount of time. God, if you can't stand the missing features, bugs, or whatever everyone is happy to leave. These posts are better suited towards Microsoft support and the suggestion site. You're wasting breath here.
    05-28-2013 08:05 PM
  18. lippidp's Avatar
    tired of hearing the same things over and over. nobody here knows what the hell Microsoft is doing behind closed doors. if anything I believe changing to the NT kernel has pushed everything back.

    Nobody knows how many problems they incurred or what is preventing then from moving faster. Windows phone is more complete and featured than anything that has had the same amount of time. God, if you can't stand the missing features, bugs, or whatever everyone is happy to leave. These posts are better suited towards Microsoft support and the suggestion site. You're wasting breath here.
    The post is about if anyone is considering moving back to WP7.x. I don't care *why* WP8 is the way it is and whether or not Microsoft has accomplished more or less than anyone else in a specific timeframe. It doesn't meet my needs and so I have stuck with WP7.8 and will re-evaluate after GDR2. I simply listed some of the reasons behind my decision to help the OP and you go and throw a hissy fit.
    05-28-2013 10:20 PM
  19. dgr_874's Avatar
    If your so tired of reading threads like this, why even open and comment on it?

    microsofts lack of transparency on where they are going with is platform IS THE PROBLEM! Most of us here (including myself) love the platform. We can see how it can be great. But, its the little nitpicky things that are holding it back. We ***** and moan about those things BECAUSE WE CARE. We want it to be better. They have had six months to fix stuff we have been complaining about. Where is the notification center they admitted to working on? Why is there still only one volume setting? How hard can this stuff be to encode?

    Microsoft just needs to come out and say what they are working on. Let us know they are working to fix Xbox music, notifications, and apps. How hard would that be? I feel like I got shafted. I was promised 3 screens and the cloud. Right now I can barely make a playlist on my phone and I can't even watch any videos I bought on Xbox on my phone. So much for progress, Microsoft even supports iTunes to sync your stuff. How nuts is that? Can you imagine Apple recomending Media Player to sync your iPod?
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    05-28-2013 10:20 PM
  20. Aren Clegg's Avatar
    Ive been with wp7 since 2010 with a HTC HD7. If my wifi didn't stop working I'd probably still be using that. I picked up a Nokia 521 last week and it was nice to be able to migrate to WP8 with most of my settings and apps intact. Jumping from 7.8 to 8.0 I do see SOME subtle changes. And it sounds like MS will fix a lot of the bugs. If I remember reading somewhere MS pushed out WP8 before it was completed. Now that we have the hardware we want coming out, we just need ms to bring WP8 up to par with the hardware. And fix the media bugs and the other storage bug. So if Microsoft fixes the storage, media bugs, and added a notification center would we all finally be happy? Considering how little has changed on the surface with the os from 7.8 to 8.0, why really go back to 7.8? And considering most developers and MS are moving on to wp8 anyways, sooner or later we might *have* to move too.
    Last edited by Aren Clegg; 05-28-2013 at 10:40 PM. Reason: reason not to downgrade
    05-28-2013 10:36 PM
  21. AngryNil's Avatar
    Before I bought my 8X, I looked at WP8 and wondered whether it was really much of an improvement. I now have 8GB of other storage on a 16GB phone, occasional weirdness such as lag in the Store, podcatchers are still a mess with all current clients being far from perfect, and I haven't even bothered syncing music across with all the bad experiences with it. Still, there's no way I'd switch back. I can't give up the hardware and software improvements, which might not seem like much on paper but do make a difference.
    05-29-2013 02:30 AM
  22. QuadraFX's Avatar
    2. HERE Drive, Maps and Transit are available on ALL Windows Phone 8 devices, no need for it to be native.
    Not in all countries. Remember about this.
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    05-29-2013 02:54 AM
  23. shlomo80's Avatar
    Windows phone is more complete and featured than anything that has had the same amount of time.
    Dude... Remember the iPhone 3GS? They were on the second generation of an App Store built from scratch. This is part of what I'm talking about.
    05-29-2013 04:04 AM
  24. johninsj's Avatar
    I have to be on WP8 simply for the emojis in SMS. I do admit I don't use media on it. But then I didn't with WP7 either
    05-29-2013 07:34 AM
  25. BTA73's Avatar
    I have a brand new 710 that I recently purchased for $169.99 at ptelphonestore.com for use on Platinum Tel (T-Mobile MVNO). This is a great deal if you aren't a heavy phone user because they only charge 5 cents per minute, 2 cents per text, and 10 cents per MB (not rounded). I can usually get by with $10 dollars pre-paid per month. This phone is perfect for me because I mostly use it for SMS and navigation. A 3 hour road trip did not use more than a dollars worth of data. I have owned an HTC Trophy, a Lumia 900, and now my 710. It is great to have a Windows Phone without having to pay for a data plan. The only negative is no 7.8 support. But since I don't know what I am missing with 7.8 I don't worry much about it.
    05-29-2013 09:58 AM
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