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  1. tissotti's Avatar
    The new Android version "4.3" has very little noticeable changes. Not every update is going to be earth shattering, just saying.
    True, but the thing is that Android is way a head and seems to be moving just as fast as MS, if not even faster. How are you going to catch them?
    07-28-2013 10:57 AM
  2. drbanks's Avatar
    Managing risk is one thing. Avoiding risk at the expense of missing a major market is another. No customers means no shareholders to keep happy.

    MS was willing to take considerable short to medium term loss to get a foothold in the set top box space. If they really understand where the post-PC world is headed, they'd better step up their game.

    Otherwise, this playing it safe for the short term benefit of the shareholders will mean fewer shareholders in the long run.
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    07-28-2013 12:10 PM
  3. haikallp's Avatar
    Seems to me like MS wants new people to come on board the WP bandwagon but does not really care bout their current users. How can an OS grow if the users aren't recommending it to their friend and frankly, at the moment, I can't recommend WP to my peers. MS needs to take a moment to set their priorities straight. HTC and Samsung aren't doing anything much to promote WP. The only OEM trying to push WP is Nokia but how far can they go.
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    07-28-2013 12:24 PM
  4. DrewT3's Avatar
    MS is probably busy porting Windows RT to the phone. They don't want to invest any more in WP8 since it will be a dead end. This is why GDR2 and GDR3 are so lame.
    Hopefully WP Blue will be the new RT version, otherwise we'll have to wait until WP9 to get any significant updates.
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    07-28-2013 12:44 PM
  5. pankaj981's Avatar
    ^^ i guess that's what it going to be, a modified RT version
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    07-28-2013 12:46 PM
  6. tissotti's Avatar
    MS is probably busy porting Windows RT to the phone. They don't want to invest any more in WP8 since it will be a dead end. This is why GDR2 and GDR3 are so lame.
    Hopefully WP Blue will be the new RT version, otherwise we'll have to wait until WP9 to get any significant updates.
    Scary thing with that is that I have seen this so many times with Symbian and Maemo back when Nokia was still making billions of euros profit every quarter. Wait for the next version with incremental small updates, then a big wait for huge update that would change the mid layer (AVKON to Qt) to unify Maemo and Symbian. Then the UI rebuild with Qt in couple of years that again changed things, while it left millions of Symbian users being left with some features that had been there for 4-7 years.

    We have already seen this with WP8 that on the front end didn't bring much, but on the OS level there were huge changes to bring more developers and unify MS platforms. Are we now waiting again for something similar that MS is hard in work while we users are still not seeing UI changes and features added. Something that have been asked since WP7 launched in 2011.
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    07-28-2013 01:54 PM
  7. Jupast's Avatar
    The new Android version "4.3" has very little noticeable changes. Not every update is going to be earth shattering, just saying.
    Maybe because Android has most of the basic features WP users have been asking for covered.
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    07-28-2013 04:11 PM
  8. jmshub's Avatar
    Sometimes this forum just makes me want to scream. I am a big fan of Windows Phone. I read from people who actually can talk to people in Microsoft. GDR2 was supposed to be a small incremental update. Microsoft completed the software months ago. The carriers are (as always) the block. Getting GDR3 or a major 8.1 update out the door soon won't help if they can't deliver.

    If the grass is greener in Android land, then go for it. I fail to see how it will be dramatically better for you.
    FinancialP likes this.
    07-28-2013 08:32 PM
  9. qudahamohammad's Avatar
    Sometimes this forum just makes me want to scream. I am a big fan of Windows Phone. I read from people who actually can talk to people in Microsoft. GDR2 was supposed to be a small incremental update. Microsoft completed the software months ago. The carriers are (as always) the block. Getting GDR3 or a major 8.1 update out the door soon won't help if they can't deliver.

    If the grass is greener in Android land, then go for it. I fail to see how it will be dramatically better for you.
    Maybe you lost the point. The point of this thread is that Microsoft is slow to put minor updates such as a screen-lock and better menus in the settings, not to mention the much-wanted notification center (that I do not want to be in WP8)
    haikallp likes this.
    07-28-2013 08:42 PM
  10. iloveamystery's Avatar
    I agree that a lot of the problem is communication. If they would just announce WP8.1 sooner than later, then they would at least shed some light on what's to come. WP8 will hit its first year anniversary in just a few more months, and I think WP8.1 needs to be out by then or very close to it. The problem is it doesn't look like MS is anywhere near that becoming a reality.

    It'll be funny if WP8.1 doesn't come before MS' promised 18 month support window for updates.
    07-28-2013 08:49 PM
  11. DrewT3's Avatar
    Sometimes communication isn't the problem, reality is. Imagine if they had communicated better after WP7.5 Mango came out in Summer of 2011. What if they said "that's it for the platform until WP8 in 14 months, and then you can expect higher resolution screens and kids corner. And then another 14 months before we add anything else".
    That would have been very transparent and it would have halved phone sales for two years.
    Robert Grant likes this.
    07-28-2013 09:03 PM
  12. tgp's Avatar
    Speaking of orientation lock specifically, it's already been done. When I had an unlocked Lumia 710, I had a (student) developer account which meant I could sideload apps. There's an orientation lock app for WP7 that works very well, but it's not in the Store. This leads me to believe that either something changed with WP8 that makes it more difficult to implement, or Microsoft just simply isn't adding the feature for whatever reason.
    07-28-2013 10:09 PM
  13. haikallp's Avatar
    Sometimes this forum just makes me want to scream. I am a big fan of Windows Phone. I read from people who actually can talk to people in Microsoft. GDR2 was supposed to be a small incremental update. Microsoft completed the software months ago. The carriers are (as always) the block. Getting GDR3 or a major 8.1 update out the door soon won't help if they can't deliver.

    If the grass is greener in Android land, then go for it. I fail to see how it will be dramatically better for you.
    I'm a fan of Windows Phone too but you can't overlook the minor things that WP is lacking compared to the competition. In fact, I'm certain Windows Phone will be a solid number 3 but at the rate they're going, ita probably gonna be in 2015 instead of 2014.
    07-29-2013 02:51 AM
  14. psudotechzealot's Avatar
    I think MS should release a beta with all the supposed 'missing features'. When it lags and judders like a *****, they can say, "See, told you so. Let us get on with it. We know what we're doing".

    This doesn't make any sense. So they should put out a lagging & juddering beta to prove a terrible point and loose customers?


    Personally I've never had a problem with WP8 or WP7 for that matter.
    Sure you haven't, but doesn't mean problems aren't an issue for some users.


    A lot of people just don't get that, hence the calls for that stupid Notification Centre idea. For the lsst time.... The phone IS the Notification Centre. Only badly written live tile apps stop that being so....
    Uh, to a degree, but if the competition has it, some WP8/7 users and potential users are begging for it and threatening to leave WP if they don't add the feature. Why should Microsoft lose potential & loyal users by not add it? Why, because the tiles are the "Notification Centre"?
    07-29-2013 04:28 AM
  15. envio's Avatar
    It does feel like we're banging our heads against a brick wall. I honestly believe that Microsoft believe that the way the OS looks, the way it works, the way it interacts with the user and the way it inter-operates with third-party apps, it will shine above the other major players so much so that you won't miss all the granularity that the masses enjoy, you will somehow enjoy it for what it is.

    That only works up to a point and then you start to wonder, how much better things could be if only you could do X or Y, how much longer are we supposed to wait for seemingly little things? It's exactly those things that make using a good OS, a great OS. e.g. Why am I still forced to have a single volume level for an alarm, why can't I choose a snooze time.. and so on.

    It might only be 8 months since WP8's launch but for me, it's been 2 years and 9 months of waiting for the same little improvements. Let's not forget that some of us got burned when we couldn't couldn't upgrade to WP8 and worse, some are STILL waiting/hoping that our WP7.5 devices might get WP7.8. So even on the big things, we've been very forgiving.

    How are we supposed to "sell" WP to our friends, colleagues and families when we have so much of our own reservations and mini disappointments to contend with. We have to talk like politicians - if someone asks "can you sync WP directly to Outlook?" We have to reply, "erm, we've got the best camera in any smartphone, it's called the Lumia 1020."

    I dread to think where we'd be without Nokia right now - they are truly innovating where Microsoft fears to tread. And I don't get what the hold-up is. Either there's a lack of direction and focus, or the priorities are all wrong or there's not enough devs and perhaps too many managers and managerial layers, I don't know but something for the size of Microsoft, is not right. I'm hoping that now that the OS divisions have merged, things will move more quickly, we need more spirit like the Windows team. They're pushing out new updates for Windows 8.1 Preview almost every week, how is that possible??!

    The official Windows Phone UserVoice website is crammed-to-bits with suggestions, feedback, anxious pleadings, but the communication that comes back is infrequent, unrepresentative and cringe-worthy sometimes and totally obscures the obvious need to catch-up with the competition. MS: hurry-up.
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    07-29-2013 05:59 AM
  16. eroselim's Avatar
    I see that lot of people are wanting to have a faster update. But as for me, if WP8 gives faster update but will just cause many bugs and lag to the device, it's still not worth it.
    07-29-2013 07:13 AM
  17. jlzimmerman's Avatar
    I agree wholeheartedly with the OP. With that said, it appears M$ is fighting too large of a multi-front war. If you look at everything the corporation is trying to do, it's a LOT. Look at all of M$ products and services, their outlook and milestones over the next few quarters, then breathe in the fact that the entire organization has been revamped. IMO, the problem is their spread thin in too many things. Is it an excuse for M$? No. I say no for the fact that mobile computing/smartphones are on the bleeding edge of the tech wars. They need to put more attention to WP if they want to continue to grow in that segment. However, Desktops (especially enterprise use) and servers are their bread and butter and will continue to get first dibs on break/fix. Core business comes first. The critics can say what they want but the fact remains that 90-95% of computers on the planet run a Windows OS.
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    07-29-2013 07:14 AM
  18. paulxxwall's Avatar
    I don't think Ms is in the business to make everyone happy or they would there real money is not in phones but PC hardware there's more PC users than wp8 users there for who comes first. all big three platforms are updating at probably the same rate but windows is behind very hard to catch up if possible so i think Ms has acknowledged that and accepted they know it is what it is now its time we realize and accept it as well!
    07-29-2013 07:43 AM
  19. tungha's Avatar
    I see that lot of people are wanting to have a faster update. But as for me, if WP8 gives faster update but will just cause many bugs and lag to the device, it's still not worth it.
    everyone knows that, but look! How long did they build the OS? 8 months for WP8 but longer with the experience and technical since WP7, right?
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    07-29-2013 07:46 AM
  20. haikallp's Avatar
    I see that lot of people are wanting to have a faster update. But as for me, if WP8 gives faster update but will just cause many bugs and lag to the device, it's still not worth it.
    Of course I do not want a buggy OS update too but why can google and apple release update faster. They have to understand that they are behind so they can't follow, let alone be behind their pace.
    07-29-2013 07:49 AM
  21. drbanks's Avatar
    I'm not so sure google releases any faster in a practical sense. I have an ex-coworker who had to wait a year for his carrier to roll out ice cream sandwich, and he's still waiting for jellybean.

    I've been on WP for less than a year, and I'm already facing my second update. Like others, I suspect that at least part of the delay is waiting on the carrier.
    07-29-2013 07:54 AM
  22. haikallp's Avatar
    I'm not so sure google releases any faster in a practical sense. I have an ex-coworker who had to wait a year for his carrier to roll out ice cream sandwich, and he's still waiting for jellybean.

    I've been on WP for less than a year, and I'm already facing my second update. Like others, I suspect that at least part of the delay is waiting on the carrier.
    Well yeah, you're right..but look where Android is and where Windows Phone is . And with how open Android is, there are many things that Android users are enjoying that WP users are still waiting for. You can't really say the same vice versa. Like I said, I don't want any fancy features. I just want the features that Android/iOS have had e.g. Quick toggle for WiFi, Cellular Data, better management of photos and notification centre etc.. These are basic things to say the least.
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    07-29-2013 08:02 AM
  23. tungha's Avatar
    I'm not so sure google releases any faster in a practical sense. I have an ex-coworker who had to wait a year for his carrier to roll out ice cream sandwich, and he's still waiting for jellybean.

    I've been on WP for less than a year, and I'm already facing my second update. Like others, I suspect that at least part of the delay is waiting on the carrier.
    my friend, look at iOS and Android now, don't ever look back to the past since we're behind these platforms, you cannot say something like that because we're really slow now
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    07-29-2013 08:16 AM
  24. Amran Nagal's Avatar
    Well yeah, you're right..but look where Android is and where Windows Phone is . And with how open Android is, there are many things that Android users are enjoying that WP users are still waiting for. You can't really say the same vice versa. Like I said, I don't want any fancy features. I just want the features that Android/iOS have had e.g. Quick toggle for WiFi, Cellular Data, better management of photos and notification centre etc.. These are basic things to say the least.
    GRAVITY LOCK! most important feature! Still absent. -.-
    07-29-2013 08:18 AM
  25. Chregu's Avatar
    GRAVITY LOCK! most important feature! Still absent. -.-
    What is gravity lock, this? ‘GravityLockScreen’ Adds a Bit of Physics to Your iPhone’s Lockscreen

    I think it is time for an usable calender. I got so used to work with a combination of Week View for planning and the native Calender for creating appointments, I've almost forgotten about how terrible this solution is.
    07-29-2013 08:25 AM
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