1. Dave Blake's Avatar
    Just watch the video.

    Microsoft launches new video attack in its offensive Scroogled campaign | Windows Phone Central

    If you have a minute read the article. I have an Android device but I don't use Google services and Google spying on my email is why. I am glad Microsoft is finally speaking up on this. There will be those that want to accuse Microsoft of doing the exact same thing. It is not true Microsoft protects your data from spying and Google sells your data to advertisers by spying on your email.

    I have a Gmail account I use for Play Store and Youtube that is all I use it for. My thought is to start the debate and ask do you use Gmail and why? Also are you worried about Google spying on your email?
    08-11-2013 07:56 AM
  2. aximtreo's Avatar
    I have a Gmail account; opened when I had an android phone. I have all mail forwarded to my primary account. There is nothing on my computer from google or android that I'm aware of. I do not use synching with contacts or calendars with Google. I've always believed that if there is a lot of smoke, there must be a fire. There is a detailed listing on this site that shows how to rid yourself of all things Google and I have it bookmarked and will do the deed soon.

    To answer your question; yes I am worried about the amount of my personal info that Google has spread around. My only recourse now is to do everything I can to minimize it any further.
    08-11-2013 08:12 AM
  3. NTUser's Avatar
    This made me LMAO so hard.

    I mean, it's a legitimate point that Google stores information, but Microsoft is the one to point it out? They're Microsoft, for godsakes! smh
    08-17-2013 02:07 PM
  4. Dave Blake's Avatar
    This made me LMAO so hard.

    I mean, it's a legitimate point that Google stores information, but Microsoft is the one to point it out? They're Microsoft, for godsakes! smh

    What is wrong with Microsoft sharing some facts? I think it is about time to point out that Google scans your email then shares that information with advertisers. Microsoft protects your information and doesn't share any information without your permission. You don't have to give Microsoft permission to share your data to use Microsoft services. When you buy any device laptop or what ever that has Windows on it you are licensed to use any services that come with that software you are not forced to share anything.
    08-17-2013 02:31 PM
  5. ag1986's Avatar
    What is wrong with Microsoft sharing some facts? I think it is about time to point out that Google scans your email then shares that information with advertisers. Microsoft protects your information and doesn't share any information without your permission. You don't have to give Microsoft permission to share your data to use Microsoft services. When you buy any device laptop or what ever that has Windows on it you are licensed to use any services that come with that software you are not forced to share anything.
    Because your phrasing is misleading and inaccurate. You make it sound like Google tells advertisers 'hey, Dave Blake who lives in X, phone number Y, his Gmail account indicates that he has an interest in A, B & C. Please send him your ads."

    This is wrong. Advertisers define a list of key phrases and/or topics, and Google matches this with your information and shows you ads. In return, you get free email. At no point does the advertiser get anything that identifies you as an individual, nor does your information leave Google. Their privacy agreements have been found acceptable by the DoJ and at no time have Google ever been found guilty of violating consumer privacy.

    Also, I note that you and the rest of this site have conveniently ignored Microsoft To Add Bing Ads To Windows 8.1 Search - Forbes and similar. Ads in my frakkin Windows desktop? WTF?
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    08-17-2013 03:23 PM
  6. ag1986's Avatar
    What is wrong with Microsoft sharing some facts? I think it is about time to point out that Google scans your email then shares that information with advertisers. Microsoft protects your information and doesn't share any information without your permission. You don't have to give Microsoft permission to share your data to use Microsoft services. When you buy any device laptop or what ever that has Windows on it you are licensed to use any services that come with that software you are not forced to share anything.
    The choice is to pay money for a service OR pay for it with ads. Google has proven themselves trustworthy over the past few years; Ballmer and his political spin doctoring aside, please name incidents where Google has violated their users' privacy i.e. shared data with outside entities.

    Finally, MS does scan your email:

    may occasionally use automated means to isolate information from email, chats or photos in order to help detect and protect against spam and malware or to improve the services with new features that makes them easier to use -- Outlook terms of service.

    Seems like both are pretty much the same to me...
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    08-17-2013 03:29 PM
  7. Darren Walsh's Avatar
    The choice is to pay money for a service OR pay for it with ads. Google has proven themselves trustworthy over the past few years; Ballmer and his political spin doctoring aside, please name incidents where Google has violated their users' privacy i.e. shared data with outside entities.

    Finally, MS does scan your email:

    may occasionally use automated means to isolate information from email, chats or photos in order to help detect and protect against spam and malware or to improve the services with new features that makes them easier to use -- Outlook terms of service.

    Seems like both are pretty much the same to me...
    google is trustworthy haha, would you go home
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    08-17-2013 03:59 PM
  8. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    The choice is to pay money for a service OR pay for it with ads. Google has proven themselves trustworthy over the past few years; Ballmer and his political spin doctoring aside, please name incidents where Google has violated their users' privacy i.e. shared data with outside entities.

    Finally, MS does scan your email:

    may occasionally use automated means to isolate information from email, chats or photos in order to help detect and protect against spam and malware or to improve the services with new features that makes them easier to use -- Outlook terms of service.

    Seems like both are pretty much the same to me...
    Haven't you heard the issues surrounding Street View? Here's just one article. http://www.nbcnews.com/id/39302384/n...e-street-view/
    08-17-2013 04:06 PM
  9. Darren Walsh's Avatar
    Haven't you heard the issues surrounding Street View? Here's just one article. http://www.nbcnews.com/id/39302384/n...e-street-view/
    exactly Laura, I don't think 1986 is playing with the full deck !!!
    08-17-2013 04:42 PM
  10. fatclue_98's Avatar
    I have both, a Live email account and a Gmail account. The Live address is my primary and I've had it for about 6 years (Hotmail) and I clean my junk folder about once every two weeks. My Gmail account is about 3 months old and I have to clear it daily or every other day. To paraphrase Forrest Gump "I'm not a smart man, but I know what spying is".
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    08-17-2013 05:18 PM
  11. ag1986's Avatar
    Haven't you heard the issues surrounding Street View? Here's just one article. Google 'Street View' banned for privacy invasion - Technology & science | NBC News
    Laura, that article deals with the Czech Republic not allowing Google to capture Street View imagery. Now that's up to the individual government. But you will note that many countries also have no problem with this service - US, UK, Germany, Japan - and it's massively useful for many people.

    I think you meant to talk about the Street View wifi collection debacle, and you have a fair point that Google sampled Wifi traffic from open networks. However, there is no evidence that they did anything malicious or illegal with that data.

    What I feel is that there is so much FUD around Google being 'untrustworthy' and people just cannot think rationally about it. Google does not 'sell' user data - they use it to target ads according to criteria that their advertisers define.
    08-18-2013 02:15 AM
  12. ag1986's Avatar
    google is trustworthy haha, would you go home
    As I asked, please specify incidents where Google has violated user privacy (PRISM etc not withstanding, as we can fairly assume that MS, Google, Amazon, everyone, are in bed with the Feds).
    08-18-2013 02:17 AM
  13. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    Laura, that article deals with the Czech Republic not allowing Google to capture Street View imagery. Now that's up to the individual government. But you will note that many countries also have no problem with this service - US, UK, Germany, Japan - and it's massively useful for many people.

    I think you meant to talk about the Street View wifi collection debacle, and you have a fair point that Google sampled Wifi traffic from open networks. However, there is no evidence that they did anything malicious or illegal with that data.

    What I feel is that there is so much FUD around Google being 'untrustworthy' and people just cannot think rationally about it. Google does not 'sell' user data - they use it to target ads according to criteria that their advertisers define.
    Google did get fined by the EU for its violations of privacy. EU Regulators Fine Google $189K for StreetView Data Privacy Violations
    08-18-2013 02:19 AM
  14. ag1986's Avatar
    Google did get fined by the EU for its violations of privacy. EU Regulators Fine Google $189K for StreetView Data Privacy Violations
    Re-read please - the UK and the EU in general did not have a problem with Google's image capturing - the Wifi traffic sampling was the issue. And the fine was miniscule, as was the violation - 189K is less than Google spends on food in a day.

    Also, this happened on open, non-secured Wifi networks. Arguably, leaving your network open is basically an invitation to the whole world to come and jump in. Again. there is no evidence that Google did anything actually harmful to users as such.
    08-18-2013 02:57 AM
  15. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    Re-read please - the UK and the EU in general did not have a problem with Google's image capturing - the Wifi traffic sampling was the issue. And the fine was miniscule, as was the violation - 189K is less than Google spends on food in a day.

    Also, this happened on open, non-secured Wifi networks. Arguably, leaving your network open is basically an invitation to the whole world to come and jump in. Again. there is no evidence that Google did anything actually harmful to users as such.
    Google isn't off the hook with the EU yet. EU regulators tell Google its current privacy policy has to go | VentureBeat
    08-18-2013 03:07 AM
  16. replay0's Avatar
    Google gave up the names and emails of Chinese dissidents to their communist government, if you don't remember. THAT, is evil. Google could choose not to do business in that country if they don't like communist rules, but they chose to go along with it, instead.
    08-18-2013 03:24 AM
  17. ag1986's Avatar
    Bzzt. From that link: "In particular, we believe that the updated policy does not provide sufficient information to enable U.K. users of Google’s services to understand how their data will be used across all of the company’s products."

    The issue is not that the policy itself is in violation, it is that Google has not done a good enough job of informing their users. Moreover, there is no question that Google is releasing data to advertisers; this issue is only how Google themselves use the data.
    08-18-2013 04:12 AM
  18. ag1986's Avatar
    Google gave up the names and emails of Chinese dissidents to their communist government, if you don't remember. THAT, is evil. Google could choose not to do business in that country if they don't like communist rules, but they chose to go along with it, instead.
    Check again. The Chinese government gained access to Gmail accounts of dissidents, and even that was via malware and phishing, not because of any vulnerability in Google's systems. And if you recall, they did refuse to continue censorship and redirected users to Hong Kong.

    Also see In China, Bing's turn to show some spine - CNN.com , where Ballmer says Google's decision was irrational and that MS will continue following all local laws.
    08-18-2013 04:17 AM
  19. squire777's Avatar
    Love the Scroogled campaign and hope they come out with some more soon.

    The more people that find out about Google's cruddy ways the better.
    08-19-2013 02:59 PM
  20. JKing106's Avatar
    One would be an ***** to trust either. They're corporations. They do not, nor will they ever, care about you, or put you before making profit. Fanboyism, a.k.a brand loyalty, is narcissism. A mental illness.
    12-01-2013 12:55 PM
  21. Microsoftjunkie's Avatar
    One would be an ***** to trust either. They're corporations. They do not, nor will they ever, care about you, or put you before making profit. Fanboyism, a.k.a brand loyalty, is narcissism. A mental illness.
    Who are you to say someone "who trust either" is showing "fanboyism, aka brand loyalty...mental illness"?

    I trust MS because they're more upfront with their policies. MS IE on any products come with do not track on, unlike Google and is consistently preaching about they policies vs. Competitors'. I know one thing is sure, if MS was lying they would've been sued already.
    12-01-2013 01:18 PM
  22. theefman's Avatar
    There's a very simple difference, with google your information IS their business, Microsoft's business is software and they don't need your personal information to turn a profit. Microsoft sucks at many things but I would take them over google every single time.
    12-01-2013 01:35 PM
  23. enik's Avatar
    Well seeing as the government already got caught with their hands in the cookie jar I think google doing it to advertise is the least of my issues. At least I know what they are using my data for.

    Sent from my RM-860_nam_usa_100 using Tapatalk
    01-04-2014 08:08 PM

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