08-24-2013 02:24 AM
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  1. OzRob's Avatar
    I look globally, not on the specific market.
    Yes, you're right. Perhaps Microsoft should use its monopoly power in the desktop market to prevent any web browser other than IE from integrating into the OS. And then they could make it really hard for anyone to set Google as the default search engine in IE and impossible to do it in most countries on WP8...hang on...haven't they already done all this? HOW DARE THEY! What a bunch of b@stards. I think Google should retaliate and use its power in the phone market to, say, prevent Microsoft from making an official YouTube app and then...Oh, wait!...that's already happened too. Gee, reality sucks sometimes!
    08-20-2013 07:20 PM
  2. Michael Alan Goff's Avatar
    Just remember just what type of business MS is, at one time they even offered IE for MacOS and Unix. The biggest complaint at one time was not offering alternative browsers on windows. You can thank the EU anti-trust authorities for that.

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    What?

    No, really, what?

    There was always the ability to have alternative browsers on Windows. What have you been smoking?
    08-20-2013 07:21 PM
  3. Michael Alan Goff's Avatar
    Yes, you're right. Perhaps Microsoft should use its monopoly power in the desktop market to prevent any web browser other than IE from integrating into the OS. And then they could make it really hard for anyone to set Google as the default search engine in IE and impossible to do it in most countries on WP8...hang on...haven't they already done all this? HOW DARE THEY! What a bunch of b@stards. I think Google should retaliate and use its power in the phone market to, say, prevent Microsoft from making an official YouTube app and then...Oh, wait!...that's already happened too. Gee, reality sucks sometimes!
    The inability to change the search engine seems to be more of a decision from the carriers in certain countries, given the fact that Microsoft has given them too much control over the update process. It's also very simple to change the search engine in IE. But whatever helps you sleep at night, I guess.
    08-20-2013 07:23 PM
  4. Trevor Halsey's Avatar
    What?

    No, really, what?

    There was always the ability to have alternative browsers on Windows. What have you been smoking?





    install the e or n versions of windows 7 or 8 and you'll see. They include semi-direct links to the installers for multiple browsers all built in on first install.








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    08-20-2013 07:23 PM
  5. OzRob's Avatar
    The inability to change the search engine seems to be more of a decision from the carriers in certain countries, given the fact that Microsoft has given them too much control over the update process. It's also very simple to change the search engine in IE. But whatever helps you sleep at night, I guess.
    Perhaps a little historical research would make things clearer. So, also, would taking a world view, not just a US view. Look up the Nestcape-Microsoft browser wars and the DOJ and European aftermath. Also, outside the US, IE8, 9 and I believe 10 make it difficult to select Google as your default search provider - it wasn't listed in the search add-ins page.
    08-20-2013 07:29 PM
  6. Michael Alan Goff's Avatar
    install the e or n versions of windows 7 or 8 and you'll see. They include semi-direct links to the installers for multiple browsers all built in on first install.

    Sent from my RM-860 (Lumia 928) using the OFFICIAL Tapatalk app.
    Yes, and the way you did it before was going to the mystical land called the internet and downloading another browser. Or you went and got a disk, maybe Netscape or Opera. Then you nstalled them. Alternative browsers have always existed.

    Perhaps a little historical research would make things clearer. So, also, would taking a world view, not just a US view. Look up the Nestcape-Microsoft browser wars and the DOJ and European aftermath. Also, outside the US, IE8, 9 and I believe 10 make it difficult to select Google as your default search provider - it wasn't listed in the search add-ins page.
    ....

    HISTORICAL misdeeds now mean that Google can do something wrong IN THE PRESENT? Also, it generally is a carrier issues with WP8. Microsoft allows a change of search engines as part of the OS. You just go to IE settings and then advanced. If your country of choice or carrier of choice blocked that? Go yell at them. It's not Microsoft's fault.
    08-20-2013 07:45 PM
  7. Colby Lee's Avatar
    I say don't support google and not download it. There are other video apps. My 2 cents.
    08-20-2013 07:46 PM
  8. OzRob's Avatar
    HISTORICAL misdeeds now mean that Google can do something wrong IN THE PRESENT?
    I'm not saying that at all, and I'm not condoning either Google's or Microsoft's actions in the YouTube app debacle. I'm simply pointing out that there's nothing new here. What Google is currently doing to Microsoft is no different to what Microsoft has done to others in the past. It's simply a couple of heavyweight companies looking for a little leverage on the other. It's business...pure and simple. And each company will pursue the course of action that makes the best business sense to it.

    Like I said before, this YouTube spat is just a p!ssing contest between these two. And like any p!ssing contest, when it's over the combatants will go and have a friendly beer with each other and get fueled up for the next round.
    08-20-2013 09:19 PM
  9. smoledman's Avatar
    Microsoft is a nothing in smartphones, they have no power.
    08-20-2013 10:47 PM
  10. wamsille's Avatar
    Microsoft is a nothing in smartphones, they have no power.
    Palm is a nothing in smartphones. Microsoft is far from nothing.
    08-20-2013 10:53 PM
  11. Colby Lee's Avatar
    Microsoft is a nothing in smartphones, they have no power.
    Did you just crawl out of a well? WTF?
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    08-21-2013 12:24 AM
  12. uopjo6's Avatar
    Agreed, but for new users coming into WP, not having a decent official app looks odd. We know the alternatives are great, but a lot of people judge quickly and without looking too much into it.
    Agreed that's the biggest problem now with WP. 3rd party apps are really good thanks to the developers but those big labels are what lures new customers in, sadly. Checking out other forums and comments from other platforms, its like if the users only use official apps. "lol so how are WP users gonna watch video, on a browser? Lmao". Its ridiculous.
    08-21-2013 01:37 AM
  13. dazr87's Avatar
    I don't believe it's written in HTML5. I also don't believe Google care one way or the other about the quality of the Microsoft app. I also don't believe there's any point debating the rights, wrongs or logic of Google's or Microsoft's position on this app. There's no mystery here. Google and Microsoft are in a p!ssing competition, and we're the ones getting p!ssed on.
    the truth, the whole truth & nothing but the truth! lol so right dude!
    08-21-2013 02:03 AM
  14. dazr87's Avatar
    Palm is a nothing in smartphones. Microsoft is far from nothing.
    i miss my Palm Pre 2! :/ sad times. i loved WebOS. Then I loved my Lumia 920, sad times again because it just wasnt what i expected. Now i'm with my HTC One Google Edition on 4.3, I've never looked back. But i do have high hopes for Windows Phone, hopefully we'll see some major updates once 8.1 hits.
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    08-21-2013 02:08 AM
  15. Michael Alan Goff's Avatar
    I'm not saying that at all, and I'm not condoning either Google's or Microsoft's actions in the YouTube app debacle. I'm simply pointing out that there's nothing new here. What Google is currently doing to Microsoft is no different to what Microsoft has done to others in the past. It's simply a couple of heavyweight companies looking for a little leverage on the other. It's business...pure and simple. And each company will pursue the course of action that makes the best business sense to it.

    Like I said before, this YouTube spat is just a p!ssing contest between these two. And like any p!ssing contest, when it's over the combatants will go and have a friendly beer with each other and get fueled up for the next round.
    Sorry then, it seemed like you were one of those people who were saying it was actually right that they were doing that. People have been coming up with excuses for Google's behavior ever since they made that decision. It's gotten a little frustrating.
    08-21-2013 08:03 AM
  16. spyderzWPC's Avatar
    Ads help the actual channels who make content all the time, not just Youtube
    I have thrown adds on my channel and so far nothing how many views do you need, I think I have about 3000 so far
    08-21-2013 09:55 AM
  17. WinFan1's Avatar
    i think this should just end. googles point is there arent enough users and ms calls bs. really google isnt dissing ms their dissing us because they are saying that those of us here are irrelevant. Basically telling us get a droid or F*** you.
    08-21-2013 09:55 AM
  18. spyderzWPC's Avatar
    Sorry then, it seemed like you were one of those people who were saying it was actually right that they were doing that. People have been coming up with excuses for Google's behavior ever since they made that decision. It's gotten a little frustrating.
    reminds me of when they randomly blocked windows phones from accessing their maps page through the browser...this company has done a lot of shady stuff, another reason I dropped them and went to WP
    08-21-2013 09:56 AM
  19. WP8Expert's Avatar
    I don't understand. Google made a YouTube app for Windows Phone? Is there a link?
    08-21-2013 10:30 AM
  20. Ed Boland's Avatar
    I don't understand. Google made a YouTube app for Windows Phone? Is there a link?
    No... Microsoft did, and Google blocked it.
    08-21-2013 10:47 AM
  21. Corepc's Avatar
    I don't understand. Google made a YouTube app for Windows Phone? Is there a link?
    no they have not title of thread is misleading.
    08-21-2013 10:48 AM
  22. hopmedic's Avatar
    Beggers can't be choosers. Right now, Google owns the content you desperately want to watch. So, there is really nothing you can do about it if Google don't like the particular platform you are on. The only way to screw Google is don't watch YouTube regardless which platform you are on.
    No, Google hosts the content. The content creators own it. But yes, you are right - not watching is the way to hurt Google. If only there were a product that was a viable competitor...
    08-21-2013 10:51 AM
  23. wamsille's Avatar
    Let's go back to the root issue. Google's product is the consumer itself. It mines your usage to tailor an experience around you, personalized by your behavior and compared against other similar users to give you more of what you want and less of what you don't. It has been a lucrative business since the very humble beginings of a modest search engine that now has become ubiquitous with nearly all activity on the internet. That has, in turn, expanded outside the desktop and into nearly any device that could be connected to the web. Orwelliean jabs aside, to suggest you are a consumer in the Google marketplace is hardly a step in the right direction. Software developers and advertisers are the real customers.

    I am not a programmer or a developer. I wouldn't be able to tell you why Google is so hell bent on keeping their services away from the competition (aka Microsoft) unless its a way to ensure any "official" applications that are made available phone home consistently and don't reveal any Google magic in the process. Maybe there is something underlying in the Windows Phone OS that doesn't play nicely with Google's data mining?

    I can access YouTube on MetroTube. I don't need an "official" application from Google to make that happen. There are enough compotent developers out there passionate about the platform that any gaps have either been addressed, will be addressed or there are suitable alternatives available from Microsoft that are more than capable of satisfying the needs of most. If Google made a suite of apps available on Windows Phone they would be at the top of the download charts. Then again, maybe they wouldn't?

    People cannot really make the argument anymore that Microsoft is irrelevant or a "nothing" in the mobile OS marketplace. Not when one of the giants of the industry is intentionally blocking an official app from accessing content over something so trivial. Google wants to control the top end of the market. Unless iPhones take a dip in usage year over year and Windows Phone becomes all the rage, expect to see Google in bed with Apple purely from a business standpoint to keep other OS's out of the picture.
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    08-21-2013 11:26 AM
  24. ag1986's Avatar
    Direct quote from that MS lawyer's article:

    "doesn't always serve ads based on conditions imposed by content creators"

    Simple as that. Allowing MS to launch an official app with this bug would have gotten Google sued by their content partners. They don't want to screw WP users, and this is evidenced by the fact that MetroTube and other 3rd party apps still work.

    On that note, remember that Metrotube and others get broken whenever Google makes backend changes to their private APIs. That means that Google would have to consult with MS every time they made such changes if they allowed the official MS native app and they probably didn't want to dedicate the resources needed for that.
    08-21-2013 12:18 PM
  25. neo158's Avatar
    I say don't support google and not download it. There are other video apps. My 2 cents.
    Exactly what I've done, I use Dailymotion, Vevo and Vimeo. It's a PITA having to use three apps but I'll put up with it to screw Google.
    08-21-2013 01:21 PM
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