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  1. mpt15's Avatar
    it has more to do with consumers loving their nokia devices more than them loving microsoft products. they see microsoft as a slow company where implimentation is slow and fear that they wont keep nokias level of innovation up. i see microsoft more like a government company, slow with implementation. i like their products but theres no way i would want them to make nokia function like the rest of their company does. atleast here in india i also feel that nokia makes a good effort with everything, it does not look like microsoft gives a crap about india honestly, so that worries me too
    I think that by purchasing Nokia, Microsoft would have a pretty good infrastructure in India in terns of the service centres and the existing partnerships for Nokia Priority Dealerships. I don't see them just shutting it down and walking out of India. It would be too big an investment to rebuild the network. They will probably just continue with the existing Nokia stores. Think of it like this: when Orange was bought out by Vodafone, did they close down the infrastructure and throw out all staff? No, they rebranded. There may have been internal staff reshuffles etc, but they didn't close down existing facilities and start from scratch.
    They have stressed that they want to convert feature phone users to WP users and India is where they can do that.

    Nokia tried hard in India with Symbian etc but it failed. It isn't at the top. Its name and so called love that people have for it couldn't keep it alive. It was dying before it chose WP a couple of years ago. Yes, many people may have bought WP just for the Nokia branding (including me). But now, its about the OS. I know my next phone will be a WP, with or without the Nokia branding.
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    09-06-2013 02:08 PM
  2. sandelius's Avatar
    I'm a Finn and it makes me sick to see large american company devour Nokia. And considering the price. Noooo!!
    Last edited by eric12341; 09-07-2013 at 10:19 PM.
    09-06-2013 02:35 PM
  3. fatclue_98's Avatar
    There is only one legimate downside to this: Losing the Nokia brand name on Lumia's removes a well known and very loyal brand world wide. That is a problem MS will have to deal with, accepting this deal gets approved by all regulators in all countries.

    But most of these people aren't complaining or worried about that. They remind me of my Brother last Thanksgiving, stumped because I was not in awe of his Apple iPhone. He, along with the most psychotic nut-jobs about this deal just see a brand name and have associated themselves with it in a way I am lost on. I loved WebOS, but somehow managed to find another OS when HP peed on it and tossed it aside.

    These are the same type of people who make it impossible to talk politics/current affairs with an open mind, share anything about or even against Faith, riot when their sports teams win/lose, or loose their minds when anything that improves their self worth is questioned/changed.


    You know..... Morons.
    Man, you killed me with that Blazing Saddles quote.
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    09-06-2013 02:36 PM
  4. nohra's Avatar
    How do you guys think about Windows phone, I think all along Nokia hardware is good, but how about Windows phone software?
    I'm a Windows Phone fan first, Nokia fan only because of the camera. We have an 8X in the family as well, and it's a great phone. I've had great Motorolas, LGs, and Samsungs, so for me "Nokia" didn't mean as much as having a "Windows Phone" did.
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    09-06-2013 05:18 PM
  5. txkimmers's Avatar
    In my experience, when something small and cool gets gobbled by something large and not cool, usually the larger thing does not get cool as a result: the coolness just gets digested and purged (see Yahoo acquisition of Flickr). That being said, I fell in love with WP8 on an HTC phone first and purchased a Nokia because of all the extras Nokia was offering. It was clear that Nokia was way more committed to creating a wow factor for WP8 phones, and that drew me more than their vaunted reputation.

    I am kind of nervous about this change, for large thing/small cool thing reason stated above, but everything I have read isn't really clarifying things in either the direction of "it's going to be ok" or "omg disaster". I have decided I am going to keep enjoying my Nokia device and just wait and see. There have been so many great apps coming out lately and many positive changes (no, I don't really need a notification center, I am one of those) that I love WP8 even more. I am mostly worried that if the growth isn't of the skyrocketing variety (in the U.S.), Microsoft will just give up on WP8. I really hope that doesn't happen.
    snowmutt likes this.
    09-06-2013 05:41 PM
  6. anon5288998's Avatar
    Hi i have Nokia 820/920 and they are brilliant, personally i don't mind if my next windows phone has Microsoft or Surface on them, they are only phones no need to get excited over Nokia name missing and the employee's will still be working on the next phones.
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    09-06-2013 06:21 PM
  7. ChMar's Avatar
    I'm a Finn and it makes me sick to see large american company devour Nokia. And considering the price. F**k!
    This is the reason :). Xenophobic ultra nationalistic pro European views. The largest ever most innovative the most fantastic European company the one company in Europe that was the greatest and so on. Plus Nokia bought siemens so you get even more pro-European backlash.
    The people we see from India do stay cool and tell the memories about the nokia brand and the penetration nokia had in their country, the people in US know very little about the nokia and if they have an opinion they praise the camera and stay cool. But the Europeans are just hating that their prized company the ex-number 1 and most marvelous in the world was bought by a greedy good for nothing and stupid US company.
    09-06-2013 06:21 PM
  8. snowmutt's Avatar
    I'm a Finn and it makes me sick to see large american company devour Nokia. And considering the price. F**k!


    Colorful language aside, I almost understand this. But trust me: We here in the US have seen plenty of companies (Chrysler) and even landmarks (Sears tower) gobbled up by companies in other countries. I trust Nokia to not have made a deal that will shoot their homeland in the foot.
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    09-06-2013 06:43 PM
  9. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Colorful language aside, I almost understand this. But trust me: We here in the US have seen plenty of companies (Chrysler) and even landmarks (Sears tower) gobbled up by companies in other countries. I trust Nokia to not have made a deal that will shoot their homeland in the foot.
    It's easy to see national pride especially when the Nokia employees will be keeping their jobs. I don't remember the Swedes belly-aching when GM bought SAAB or when Ford bought Volvo. They knew they'd be SOL if it weren't for the big, bad American companies. When GM nearly lost its a$$ in '09, nobody shed a tear when they had to divest themselves of Pontiac, Saturn, and yes, SAAB.

    In the 80's the Japanese owned just about every piece of prime downtown property here in Miami. Hey, that's business. The drug cartels were no longer financing the construction of all those beautiful buildings you see from the Goodyear blimp during sports events so, c'est la vie.

    To all Finns, thank you for the vodka. Now move on.
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    09-06-2013 07:09 PM
  10. Reflexx's Avatar
    I'm a Finn and it makes me sick to see large american company devour Nokia. And considering the price. F**k!
    Except Nokia isn't devoured. They are just focused on a different business now.

    Or do you think they should have kept the same focus forever? So they should have just stayed in the paper business.
    09-06-2013 08:46 PM
  11. Tom Snyder's Avatar
    How do you guys think about Windows phone, I think all along Nokia hardware is good, but how about Windows phone software?
    Exactly, ROTFLMAO, what camera software, or even a great camera on a phone, I doubt we will ever see Microsoft come up with something even close.And I doubt most aren't complaining about the name, it is the quality of the product for the price. I bought the 920 for the camera, and was even considering the 1020 but with the Microsoft takeover will consider the Samsung Galaxy 4, Microsoft is like AT&T or a car stealership for customer support. I gave a hoot less about the operating system.

    I get more support from forums like this in 10 minutes than Microsoft has given me in the 25 years, have you ever tried to deal with Microsoft support talk about a joke, you ever had to reinstall a Windows OS after replacing a motherboard and dealing with them, you'll find out how wonderful their customer support is then.
    09-06-2013 10:00 PM
  12. nessinhaw's Avatar
    Want more proof than Samsung to how attached pplz get to a brand? The other Android OEMs also makes good phones BUT Samsung created such a desire for their brand the others can't compete...put Sony or LG or any other name on a Galaxy and lets see what happens, i bet it will be "ewww it's not Samsung"

    names/brands do hold some power...lets hope MS can come up with a name as strong as Nokia Lumia was for WP!
    09-06-2013 10:29 PM
  13. Tom Snyder's Avatar
    Want more proof than Samsung to how attached pplz get to a brand? The other Android OEMs also makes good phones BUT Samsung created such a desire for their brand the others can't compete...put Sony or LG or any other name on a Galaxy and lets see what happens, i bet it will be "ewww it's not Samsung"

    names/brands do hold some power...lets hope MS can come up with a name as strong as Nokia Lumia was for WP!
    I don't care if the phone is a Monkey Wards, Studebaker or Edsel if it's reliable, good quality with good price and has the features I'm looking for that is going to get my money.. The brand name was the least thing I was interested in, I think that's a younger generation fad.
    09-06-2013 11:08 PM
  14. Noahma's Avatar
    Exactly, ROTFLMAO, what camera software, or even a great camera on a phone, I doubt we will ever see Microsoft come up with something even close.And I doubt most aren't complaining about the name, it is the quality of the product for the price. I bought the 920 for the camera, and was even considering the 1020 but with the Microsoft takeover will consider the Samsung Galaxy 4, Microsoft is like AT&T or a car stealership for customer support. I gave a hoot less about the operating system.

    I get more support from forums like this in 10 minutes than Microsoft has given me in the 25 years, have you ever tried to deal with Microsoft support talk about a joke, you ever had to reinstall a Windows OS after replacing a motherboard and dealing with them, you'll find out how wonderful their customer support is then.
    If you look at Microsoft's most recent acquisition, and use that as a potential model for how the new phone branch might work, it could be good. Skype is independent of Microsoft as a whole, they do their own thing. Seeing as how Microsoft said that the phone branch would remain in Sweden, I can see this as the model that will be used. Closer collaboration in terms of the integration of hardware / software, but still have the independence to develop new phone models could make this a very interesting time for Microsoft / Nokia
    09-06-2013 11:21 PM
  15. squire777's Avatar
    We haven't even seen the quality of phones that MS will release and you are already jumping to conclusions. You seem to forget that it will be the same designers and engineers working on those phones.

    You also complain that MS will not be able to come up with something innovative as the 920 or 1020 then say you're going with a GS4 next - yeah cos the GS4 sure is an innovative phone!
    09-06-2013 11:24 PM
  16. nessinhaw's Avatar
    I don't care if the phone is a Monkey Wards, Studebaker or Edsel if it's reliable, good quality with good price and has the features I'm looking for that is going to get my money.. The brand name was the least thing I was interested in, I think that's a younger generation fad.
    how colorful and full of unicorns the world would be IF every single consumer had the same thought...unfortunately, we live in a mean world where the regular consumer doesen't give a **** if the brand is not famous, they only care about showing off their Galaxy lol

    just like a part of consumers cares about those stuff, the other part doesen't at all...and you'd be surprised how many pplz are like that!

    so yeah, since it is impossible to educate all this poor souls, brand names are somewhat important to attract them!
    Last edited by nessinhaw; 09-07-2013 at 10:12 AM.
    09-06-2013 11:29 PM
  17. Tom Snyder's Avatar
    If you look at Microsoft's most recent acquisition, and use that as a potential model for how the new phone branch might work, it could be good. Skype is independent of Microsoft as a whole, they do their own thing. Seeing as how Microsoft said that the phone branch would remain in Sweden, I can see this as the model that will be used. Closer collaboration in terms of the integration of hardware / software, but still have the independence to develop new phone models could make this a very interesting time for Microsoft / Nokia
    I really hope it does work out for the customers, I now work for the worlds largest xxxxx manufacture, which took over the company I work for, which ranked in the top 10 with the worlds largest, at the time of the buyout, things worked out good for about 5 years for customers and employees, after that they have cut the employee numbers by 75% and sorta told customers pay our price or do without because we now control the global market since we have taken out any competition. Not a good solution, and I can see the global cell phone market doing the same.
    09-06-2013 11:38 PM
  18. Noahma's Avatar
    I really hope it does work out for the customers, I now work for the worlds largest xxxxx manufacture, which took over the company I work for, which ranked in the top 10 with the worlds largest, at the time of the buyout, things worked out good for about 5 years for customers and employees, after that they have cut the employee numbers by 75% and sorta told customers pay our price or do without because we now control the global market since we have taken out any competition. Not a good solution, and I can see the global cell phone market doing the same.
    Microsoft is far from the company it used to be. They really need to be competitive in the mobile market, they have no time or position to pull the "my price or the highway" line.
    09-06-2013 11:58 PM
  19. Tom Snyder's Avatar
    Microsoft is far from the company it used to be. They really need to be competitive in the mobile market, they have no time or position to pull the "my price or the highway" line.
    I'll agree, seems like they hit the wall when they tried to combine mobile OS with what I'd call regular computer OS, not what the customers with business OS and programs want or find practical.
    09-07-2013 12:19 AM
  20. Noahma's Avatar
    I'll agree, seems like they hit the wall when they tried to combine mobile OS with what I'd call regular computer OS, not what the customers with business OS and programs want or find practical.
    The proverbial neuter of Microsoft happened way before Windows 8. It happened with all of the anti trust suits were filed and Microsoft was broken up.

    I personally like Windows 8 (and yes I use it in my design studio). I think 8.1 will fix a lot of the uneasiness about it. It is like a slap in the face however going from the "metro" to traditional desktop.
    09-07-2013 12:28 AM
  21. pengfoong's Avatar
    Everybody have their own reasons in getting something. To each their own.
    What makes sense to you doesn't necessarily register with another person. Same thing the other way round.
    Everybody looks at something at a different perspective.
    If they are unhappy about the acquisition, just leave them alone. It's their opinion after all.
    09-07-2013 02:25 AM
  22. ag1986's Avatar
    Brands are powerful and often the #1 reason why someone chooses one product over another. Like after DaimlerChrysler bought Mercedes-Benz. Nobody would've got Mercs if that name and badge had not stayed on. Hell, I drive an Audi A8 that's better than my neighbour's five year old C-class and my parents are still convinced he has the better car because and only because it's a Mercedes-Benz. This is similar to how many people in emerging markets like India think about Nokia - the name indicates quality to them. They do not care that it's made by the same people in the same factories, it's just not a Nokia and that is that.
    09-07-2013 03:41 AM
  23. Angry_Mushroom's Avatar
    Here's my take on the backlash. It's still cool to hate on Microsoft. I bought a Nokia because it seemed to offer the best OS support of the other manufacturers. While I am a bit apprehensive... I feel MS will do good with the future lineup of Lumia devices. MS is this big for a damn good reason, and I feel they'll continue to grow in the future. Gonna bury my Nokia Lumia 810 so that it may be discovered millions of years into the future not unlike that monolith in 2001: Space Odyssey.
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    09-07-2013 03:46 AM
  24. Luminatic's Avatar
    My first reaction was "****, no". Fully emotional, fully upset, one reason being that Nokia = European brand.
    Once the mental dust settled, I started seeing the chances and risks - chances being a closer hardware and software relationship, more and easier influence from Nokias stemming from having long experience with building phones, more funds, stemming from MS. Risks I see are a possible loss of the feeling of corporate identity amongst (former) Nokia employees, a change in the working atmosphere towards the bad (don't forget that working culture in the U. S. is, generally seen, quite different compared to Europe, and whether you like and approve it or not, the typical American working culture isn't for everybody, and it's neither the only not the best working culture of the world). Also, more often than not its the buying company that has the say, leading to a two-class system inside the company. These employee related risk could lead to demotivation and, at the end of the day, to too many good people incl. know how leaving. Another possible risk I see is that MS' disadvantage of sometimes forgetting their non-US clients (Just compare U.S.Bing to Swiss Bing as an example) will be getting stronger and the Nokia influence of being more global (at least in my eyes - example: Nokia Music which was working in my country when the MS counterpart wasn't) getting lost.
    I an apprehensive about that deal and just hope the people in charge handle it with wisdom and care. When they do it right, the outcome could be something better than the sum of its parts.

    Lets hope for the best.
    09-07-2013 04:32 AM
  25. nessinhaw's Avatar
    Brands are powerful and often the #1 reason why someone chooses one product over another. Like after DaimlerChrysler bought Mercedes-Benz. Nobody would've got Mercs if that name and badge had not stayed on. Hell, I drive an Audi A8 that's better than my neighbour's five year old C-class and my parents are still convinced he has the better car because and only because it's a Mercedes-Benz. This is similar to how many people in emerging markets like India think about Nokia - the name indicates quality to them. They do not care that it's made by the same people in the same factories, it's just not a Nokia and that is that.
    exactly...a brand is NOT just a name!
    a brand implies identity, meaning, recognition, relation, attachment...and yes, also power!
    09-07-2013 10:24 AM
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