10-10-2013 01:13 AM
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  1. bruceabbott2's Avatar
    I read about the possibility of future HTC handsets dual booting Android and Windows Phone. This would be an awesome function for those who are afraid to commit to one platform and great for those who get 'bored' with a platform and switch back and forth.

    I love the idea of this. If MS were dedicated to providing working drivers for the many handsets out there and eliminated licencing fees, I bet the install base would explode similar to how android has taken over the market being freely available for OEMs to use.

    Microsoft could afford to give this OS away making money back on apps and people who use their services (similar to google). It may even entice people to make the jump to exclusive handsets like the Lumia line.

    I think they should go for it. In fact, I think history should repeat itself and allow us to install whatever (mobile) OS we choose whether it be linux based Android or Windows :)

    Thoughts?
    stalemate1 likes this.
    10-06-2013 11:59 AM
  2. DBDev's Avatar
    I think that should be great too, because I think it should get more people trying wp, and maybe stick to it
    10-06-2013 12:03 PM
  3. bruceabbott2's Avatar
    I think that should be great too, because I think it should get more people trying wp, and maybe stick to it

    Exactly.
    10-06-2013 12:10 PM
  4. Jazmac's Avatar
    Never liked the concept or the idea. Now I don't have a problem with HTC putting WP on the same hardware they put the HTC One. That I would be in favor of. But if you want to do android, get an android device. It is what I would do if I did not want to do a Windows Phone. What Microsoft truly needs is for a hardware manufacturer to challenge Nokia and I mean challenge them in a big way. I would like to see HTC take on Nokia for Windows Phone.
    10-06-2013 12:19 PM
  5. ohgood's Avatar
    Never liked the concept or the idea. Now I don't have a problem with HTC putting WP on the same hardware they put the HTC One. That I would be in favor of. But if you want to do android, get an android device. It is what I would do if I did not want to do a Windows Phone. What Microsoft truly needs is for a hardware manufacturer to challenge Nokia and I mean challenge them in a big way. I would like to see HTC take on Nokia for Windows Phone.
    What's the incentive ?
    10-06-2013 12:23 PM
  6. jamz82277's Avatar
    Nokia will be no longer in smartphones. MS bought them and will probably kill the name for their own. HTC taking on Nokia might as well be HTC taking on Microsoft. .... Fail
    10-06-2013 12:26 PM
  7. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    I just don't think it would appeal to many users. Even folks who dual boot their PCs are a niche crowd, usually tech enthusiasts.

    Dual booting Windows and Linux on a PC requires skills, especially when drivers need to be installed for Linux, and the CLI is needed.

    Typically, there will be something that doesn't work in Linux, and tweaks are necessary. If the same thing happens on a smartphone, how many users will have the skills and the patience to fix the bugs?
    10-06-2013 12:30 PM
  8. foxbat121's Avatar
    HTC will no longer exist next year anyway. I don't see this could have any impact and the idea is dumb (but with current status of HTC, it may willing to try anything) and Microsoft may not give a green light on this.
    10-06-2013 12:39 PM
  9. xandros9's Avatar
    I think the biggest hurdle is getting people to actually try it. I used to be a Windows 8 naysayer, but then I got a free upgrade through my school system. I'm a happy camper now. Switched back to 7, but now back on 8.

    Also for HTC, it could be the differentiator and give it a foothold against Nokia in the WP market (I wouldn't normally go for an HTC WP otherwise). Nokia is dominating with their additional stuff like Drive, Amber, etc. Having both Android and WP on one device could really differentiate it from Nokia in the WP market and Samsung in the 'droid market. If they can channel the legendary aura of the HD2 as well, maybe making it open-er, I'd say they have a chance.
    10-06-2013 12:53 PM
  10. wapoz's Avatar
    Dual booting on a smartphone sounds completely asinine. I don't see it having any appeal outside of those that heavily tinker with their phone. For the average consumer it just muddles everything and introduces new issues with performance (manufactures focus on optimizing being split between 2 OS's on one device) and making things more complicated than they need to be (having to manage 2 app stores on 2 OS's, data in apps not being 100% shared between both Android and WP).
    10-06-2013 01:01 PM
  11. Jazmac's Avatar
    I just don't think it would appeal to many users. Even folks who dual boot their PCs are a niche crowd, usually tech enthusiasts.

    Dual booting Windows and Linux on a PC requires skills, especially when drivers need to be installed for Linux, and the CLI is needed.

    Typically, there will be something that doesn't work in Linux, and tweaks are necessary. If the same thing happens on a smartphone, how many users will have the skills and the patience to fix the bugs?
    True. There could be a device that the truly cutting edge techno-dweebs could have fun with but average people won't be interested in a phone that could boot into more than one OS. I work with people that own android phones and had them for months and still have the bloatware widgets on the screen. They did not even know it could be removed. But these are the average "smartphone" user.

    @jamz8227 Unless MS is ready to drop some serious hardware, which I haven't heard of any realistic plans, then yes, HTC could drop hardware that astounds us. It has astounded me with its HTC One. If I wasn't so against google, I would have been gone. No see you later posts, no I'll miss you guys. Just gone.

    Beyond that, Google hasn't been able to beat Samsung and probably never will with its own OS. What gives you the impression HTC couldn't best MS?
    10-06-2013 01:34 PM
  12. juanitoriv's Avatar
    Dual boot won't happen!!! The talk was about putting WP on HTC's Droid hardware like an HTC One in Droid, and an HTC WOne/W1/E1ght in WP.. I can't believe how thus topic has cartwheeled..

    Goodness..
    10-06-2013 01:47 PM
  13. bruceabbott2's Avatar
    Dual boot won't happen!!! The talk was about putting WP on HTC's Droid hardware like an HTC One in Droid, and an HTC WOne/W1/E1ght in WP.. I can't believe how thus topic has cartwheeled..

    Goodness..
    Regardless.. I still like the idea of being able to choose my OS on my own device.
    xandros9 likes this.
    10-06-2013 02:00 PM
  14. Winger67's Avatar
    Nokia will be no longer in smartphones. MS bought them and will probably kill the name for their own.
    I don't know about MS dropping the Nokia name. While they could in the US, I think they may want to keep the Nokia brand for international markets.
    10-06-2013 03:46 PM
  15. AndyCalling's Avatar
    True. There could be a device that the truly cutting edge techno-dweebs could have fun with but average people won't be interested in a phone that could boot into more than one OS. I work with people that own android phones and had them for months and still have the bloatware widgets on the screen. They did not even know it could be removed. But these are the average "smartphone" user.

    Really? Have we now reached the point where we'll have to start selling users to smart phones rather than smart phones to users? Scarey... very Terminator.
    10-07-2013 05:06 AM
  16. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    I don't know about MS dropping the Nokia name. While they could in the US, I think they may want to keep the Nokia brand for international markets.
    They only have the brand for 10 years regardless so it will be dropped eventually. I expect it to happen sooner than later. Same with Lumia.
    10-07-2013 06:02 AM
  17. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    As for if a dual boot would be a good idea. If it were to happen I'm not sure it would be a good thing. At this stage WP compared to Android is like comparing Linux to Windows. In this case WP is Linux. WP does most things OK. If you're a hardcore Android person you wouldn't bother with the phone at all. If you're someone who's curious you might be tempted but I don't see the advantage of doing this for WP. It may convince some people but others may start to see very blatantly where WP fails big time. Not sure if we really want that at this stage. Also mixing up the hardware considering how strict WP is with it I fail to see it working well.
    10-07-2013 06:06 AM
  18. gab1972's Avatar
    I hate to say this, but if there is a dual boot Windows/Android phone, it'll be a disaster in more ways than one. Consider this...

    On an Android phone, you can MAKE the UI look like Windows! Before jumping to WP, I had an Android Galaxy Nexus and was using an app called Launcher 7 which had all the functionality of WP8 (even though the app was called launcher 7 implying Windows 7). I even had a WP8 messaging app called Messaging 7. The point is that once people see how easy it is to make Android look like something they've been using, they might start thinking, "why do I even need WP if I can make Android look like whatever I want?" Granted, there's no telling what the hardware performance will be like, but still, it could sway some people. Almost like giving them a Windows device and then saying, "Here. Take this other device and play around with it to see what you think."

    Conversely, those who start liking Android are going to quickly get frustrated when Google announces updates. Statistically, HTC devices have one of the worst track records for getting updates. Not saying it's all HTC's fault, but they have some to do with it. These devices will have to work with both OS's. Some BS excuse will most likely come out that the new version of Android (or even Windows) is not compatible with dual-boot phones. Fragmentation at it's finest - except now, it's from either end!

    What if something in Android breaks things in Windows...or vice versa? I'm not saying this is logically possible...but maybe technically possible? Possible performance issues? It's like buying a TV/DVDcombo. Worst investment ever. If the TV breaks, you're left with a really expensive and bulky DVD player. And if the DVD player breaks, you STILL have to buy a DVD player.

    Not to mention apps. Buy it in Android and you either have to buy it again in Windows or boot into Android to use that app and then boot into Windows to use that other app.

    While dual-booting might solve some envy and give people more options, I really think it'll be a nightmare more than anything else. Do not want.
    10-07-2013 06:34 AM
  19. psudotechzealot's Avatar
    No, It will never happen. Google wants WP & the Surface & Surface Pro dead.
    10-07-2013 06:40 AM
  20. ohgood's Avatar
    No, It will never happen. Google wants WP & the Surface & Surface Pro dead.
    I think it's the other way around.

    Microsoft wants far more than just android dead, they want android , iPhone, Google and apple dead, not just the competing mobile platforms.

    Google just wants to keep in trucking, gathering, sorting, and regurgitating information for profit.

    I really don't think Google or apple are concerned about a surface-like segment device. Yet. Right now it seems those two companies are waiting to see if the surface 2.0 will sell. If it repeats, expect no interest from apple or Google.

    As far as windows phone, it's not a threat to their profits, so watching and waiting works there too.

    Microsoft has the burden of vetting viable projects and gaining market share in segments already controlled by the others. They have to innovate, and act extremely quickly at every opportunity to gain market and mind share.

    Longer reply then intended, but covered stuff. :-)
    10-07-2013 07:03 AM
  21. gab1972's Avatar
    I think it's the other way around.

    Microsoft wants far more than just android dead, they want android , iPhone, Google and apple dead, not just the competing mobile platforms.
    I must respectfully disagree with this. If this Microsoft wanted the whole lot dead, they would be trying harder to compete. That's not me bashing WP; that's saying they would be trying to do more to get developers/companies on board. There's a reason why companies like Pocket, Instagram, etc. stated that they have no intention of developing for WP - there's no market share. If you want market share, unfortunately, that means giving people what they want - like common features, etc. So far, the only thing I've seen us market is a good camera.
    10-07-2013 07:11 AM
  22. gsquared's Avatar
    Don't go getting your panties in a knot over this fellas. The probability of this happening is next to zero. GOOG simply would not allow it.
    10-07-2013 07:40 AM
  23. wapoz's Avatar
    Google just wants to keep in trucking, gathering, sorting, and regurgitating information for profit.

    I really don't think Google or apple are concerned about a surface-like segment device. Yet. Right now it seems those two companies are waiting to see if the surface 2.0 will sell. If it repeats, expect no interest from apple or Google.
    Google has been the most outwardly hostile company towards WP and windows 8 than any other company. Purposefully implementing a lower quality youtube experience on wp8 customers (blocking MS's youtube app, forcing WP8 customers to use the crappy HTML5 version, breaking 3rd party youtube apps in market), not producing apps that they make for other smartphone OS's (maps, drive, docs, voice, etc.), delaying the ad mob beta SDK for several months for WP8 developers (which is contributing to other devs not making apps for WP8), refusing to make a touch friendly metro version of chrome on desktop windows while making that chrome OS clone abomination instead- the list goes on and on with examples that Google legitimately views WP8/windows 8 as a threat and is outwardly hostile toward it.
    psudotechzealot likes this.
    10-07-2013 07:49 AM
  24. envio's Avatar
    None of the articles concerning the idea of more devices for WP from HTC have anything to do with dual-booting with Android, I don't know why this has continued to surface - it's just not happening. Each device would simply ship with one OS or the other, it's quite simple.

    This is purely a way for Microsoft to gain more traction with wider device choice in the HTC device space (there's only 2+1 variants for WP8 right now). For HTC, it's a cheaper way for them offer more WP devices without having to spend huge amounts of money (that they haven't got) on separate development hardware costs between WP and Android. It's supposed to be a win-win for everyone.

    However, I see a couple of big potential flaws in the idea. Given that HTC are struggling to compete against the might of Samsung in the Android market, it's going to get even tougher for them to uniquely differentiate themselves when the hardware is shared with another OS and ecosystem. The other problem is that carriers should be rightly nervous about subsidising the exact same hardware twice over. They'll likely pick one OS over the other and market that alone. Who's to say that the carriers would choose WP over Android?
    10-07-2013 08:42 AM
  25. Jazmac's Avatar
    Really? Have we now reached the point where we'll have to start selling users to smart phones rather than smart phones to users? Scarey... very Terminator.
    Pssst, Terminator was just a movie. Arnold Schwarzenegger is an actor. Tell your friends. ;)
    N_LaRUE likes this.
    10-07-2013 09:01 AM
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