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  1. Binoya Mathews's Avatar
    Well,let me also chime in...if this is the final version, then its seriously bad considering that it is very buggy.For me,it gives a lot of problems with my Bluetooth connectivity and more app force closes than I have ever had with Amber.Gotta hope people who say that this is in fact the final version of GDR3 are wrong..else there will be sm problems when it gets to the public. FYI,my device-NL520..
    Last edited by Binoya Mathews; 10-22-2013 at 11:27 AM.
    10-22-2013 10:56 AM
  2. hopmedic's Avatar
    He agrees with you. Trust me. It's just a misunderstanding. :P

    Just a difference of stating the same thing.
    Ok........

    But to be clear, GDR3 is done. GDR3 is the OS updates. The stuff on top of that that comes from OEMs and carriers is not part of GDR3, but comes WITH it. Black will be Nokia's update, and I've never known carriers to name the things that they add. But those things are not part of GDR3.
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    10-22-2013 10:57 AM
  3. marcomura's Avatar
    Six days ago Daily News had him (as does his LinkedIn profile, linked above) as the DIRECTOR of Windows Phone.
    Microsoft unveils new phone update to help reduce distracted driving - NY Daily News
    Ok, he seems to be the director for real. He didn't update this linkedin profile, though.
    Anyway, since nowhere it's written that we are getting the same final build, I wouldn't take his word for good... especially considering why a developer preview is released (to find bugs and report it asap to fix them before the launch) and the MS history of preview releases.
    But I'd say it's more likely there will not be any new feature in the final build... but again, this is only an assumption.
    Last edited by marcomura; 10-22-2013 at 11:05 AM. Reason: I forgot a not!! My sentence was the opposite!!
    10-22-2013 10:58 AM
  4. Shinigami910's Avatar
    If you mean that the final release will come with software from carriers and OEMs, then you are correct. That's not what I'm reading you to say, though, and what I'm reading you to say is wrong. Microsoft is done, according to the Director of Windows Phone. If I'm wrong, provide evidence, not rhetoric.
    What i am saying is that while Microsoft have said gdr3 is done. While the name "preview" is attached to gdr3 it is not the final release of gdr3. Also while currently all the information we have says the Microsoft bit of gdr3 is done, there is nothing stopping them from changing their minds. Im not saying this will happen either. The likelihood of this happening is up to peoples opinions.
    10-22-2013 11:00 AM
  5. rockstarzzz's Avatar
    It's the developer preview, it's the same as the full release of GDR3. As for Nokia Black, for that it seems we will need to wait a bit longer but most features are already here with GDR3 and the updates coming from Nokia today.
    God I hope it isn't the same as full release! Have you seen those bugs and glitches even on graphics of that preview?!
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    10-22-2013 11:00 AM
  6. marcomura's Avatar
    But to be clear, GDR3 is done. GDR3 is the OS updates.
    Ok, you absolutely cannot say this.
    10-22-2013 11:00 AM
  7. Binoya Mathews's Avatar
    May I know if any of u have faced the same problems which I have stated above??
    10-22-2013 11:03 AM
  8. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    Ok, you absolutely cannot say this.
    The developers blog clearly states that there is no updates to APIs can give me an idea of what other updates your expecting? It also states this is all a developer needs to develop on. So where are you getting more updates from?

    Aside from the bug fixes this is it. Deal with it.
    10-22-2013 11:04 AM
  9. hopmedic's Avatar
    Ok, you absolutely cannot say this.
    I say it with certainty because it comes from the guy running the show, from his own lips.
    10-22-2013 11:06 AM
  10. hopmedic's Avatar
    Well,let me also chime in...if this is the final version, then its seriously bad considering that it is very buggy.For me,it gives a lot of problems with my Bluetooth connectivity,the multitasking menu sometimes looks odd without the start screen in the switcher(isn't that supposed to be running in the background?) and more app force closes than I have ever had with Amber.Gotta hope people who say that this is in fact the final version of GDR3 are wrong..else there will be sm problems when it gets to the public. FYI,my device-NL520..
    Ok - you have blended Amber - an OEM firmware update - into a discussion about GDR3 - a Microsoft OS update. It would appear that you do not realize that GDR2 and Amber are two separate updates that happened to come at the same time. Just like GDR3 and Black are two separate updates that will come at the same time. And truthfully, there is no way for us on the street to tell if your BT problems are OS or firmware problems, so you can't say whether it is MS or Nokia who needs to fix it.

    Microsoft, according to their Director of Windows Phone, is done with GDR3.
    10-22-2013 11:09 AM
  11. rockstarzzz's Avatar
    This thread may help the OP and others who think there are no bugs with GDR3 and it's "done" - http://forums.windowscentral.com/win...-bug-list.html
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    10-22-2013 11:10 AM
  12. marcomura's Avatar
    Ok, maybe now we are starting misunderstooding the semantic for real.

    GDR3 is done means no bug fixing. So, you cannot say this.
    "same build" or "same bits" means that the binary we have will be the public binary... and same binary means no bug fixing. So, you cannot say this either.
    No new features means that we have all the GDR3 features, but they can be fixed. I can agree with this, but I would not bet on this.

    I understood that for you the changelog is done (no new features), and you think to have all the proof in the world for this. I can deal with it.
    But you need to understand that a preview is made to be helped discovering bugs, and it's released to ensure that the public release will have those bug fixed.
    So this cannot be the final build, this cannot be "the same public bits". Is this clear?
    Last edited by marcomura; 10-22-2013 at 11:17 AM. Reason: grammar
    10-22-2013 11:12 AM
  13. hopmedic's Avatar
    This thread may help the OP and others who think there are no bugs with GDR3 and it's "done" - http://forums.windowscentral.com/win...-bug-list.html
    To be clear, I haven't said there are no bugs. I personally haven't experienced any, but that doesn't mean that I believe that there aren't any. But did iOS7 ship with bugs? iOS6? WP8? Ice Cream Sandwich?

    Just because there are bugs does not mean that it won't ship as is.
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    10-22-2013 11:13 AM
  14. Binoya Mathews's Avatar
    Ok - you have blended Amber - an OEM firmware update - into a discussion about GDR3 - a Microsoft OS update. It would appear that you do not realize that GDR2 and Amber are two separate updates that happened to come at the same time. Just like GDR3 and Black are two separate updates that will come at the same time. And truthfully, there is no way for us on the street to tell if your BT problems are OS or firmware problems, so you can't say whether it is MS or Nokia who needs to fix it.

    Microsoft, according to their Director of Windows Phone, is done with GDR3.
    I meant GDR2.sorry about that, my bad.. thanks for d reply
    10-22-2013 11:14 AM
  15. hopmedic's Avatar
    Ok, maybe now we are starting misunderstooding the semantic for real.

    GDR3 is done means no bug fixing. So, you cannot say this.
    "same build" or "same bits" means that the binary we have will be the public binary... and same binary means no bug fixing. So, you cannot say this either.
    No new features means that we have all the GDR3 features, but they can be fixed. I can agree with this, but I would not bet on this.

    I understood that for you the changelog is done (no new features), and you think to have all the proof in the world for this. I can deal with it.
    But you need to understood that a preview is made to be helped discovering bugs, and it's released to ensure that the public release will have those bug fixed.
    So this cannot be the final build, this cannot be "the same public bits". Is this clear?
    If the purpose of the release were for us to find bugs, Microsoft would have set us all up with Microsoft Connect, like they did when we got the Mango bits ahead of everyone else, which they didn't do this time. Connect is their mode of gathering bug reports for pre-release software.
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    10-22-2013 11:16 AM
  16. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    That's what has been said several time over by me and hopmedic. We're not saying its final build or final release for RTM but it is the complete GDR3 as in all the updates that we will receive aside from OEMs. So my list that I had was correct which you disputed.
    10-22-2013 11:16 AM
  17. marcomura's Avatar
    If the purpose of the release were for us to find bugs, Microsoft would have set us all up with Microsoft Connect, like they did when we got the Mango bits ahead of everyone else, which they didn't do this time. Connect is their mode of gathering bug reports for pre-release software.
    Connect is just a way of gathering bug reports, and usually they use it only for closed/limited beta.
    Do you really think that the Windows 8.1 preview was the same build of the rtm one?
    10-22-2013 11:19 AM
  18. marcomura's Avatar
    That's what has been said several time over by me and hopmedic. We're not saying its final build or final release for RTM but it is the complete GDR3 as in all the updates that we will receive aside from OEMs. So my list that I had was correct which you disputed.
    No, hopmedic isn't saying that...
    10-22-2013 11:21 AM
  19. Mantraxalos's Avatar
    No, I haven't experienced any bugs in GDR3. Its running better than GDR2 for me.
    10-22-2013 11:22 AM
  20. hopmedic's Avatar
    Connect is just a way of gathering bug reports, and usually they use it only for closed/limited beta.
    Then have they changed, and now they're using some forum thread in WPCentral Forums to gather bugs? SMH

    Do you really think that the Windows 8.1 preview was the same build of the rtm one?
    Which has what to do with what? I've been running RTM since the day it was released, too.

    They're not going to ship to the OEMs and then change the OS on them. You can't compare a desktop OS that receives monthly updates to a phone handset OS that gets them roughly quarterly.
    10-22-2013 11:24 AM
  21. hopmedic's Avatar
    No, hopmedic isn't saying that...
    What hopmedic is saying is that the Director of Windows Phone said that they were done. THAT is what hopmedic is saying. Either listen to the podcast or read the quote that I transcribed (removing the uhs and ums).
    10-22-2013 11:27 AM
  22. zinksilver's Avatar
    While there seems to be people arguing whether it is the *final* thing or not, moving to official release like GDR3 + (plus) Lumia Black, some people said that Lumia Black is available in some countries for the Lumia 1020? Is this true? o.o
    Last edited by zinksilver; 10-22-2013 at 11:32 AM. Reason: le grammar typo
    10-22-2013 11:31 AM
  23. marcomura's Avatar
    Then have they changed, and now they're using some forum thread in WPCentral Forums to gather bugs? SMH
    No, this is how they are gathering bugs report with this: MSDN forums
    (I agree it's not very efficient though)

    Which has what to do with what? I've been running RTM since the day it was released, too.
    They're not going to ship to the OEMs and then change the OS on them. You can't compare a desktop OS that receives monthly updates to a phone handset OS that gets them roughly quarterly.
    Just because the GDR3 and the OEMs updates are separate, you can ship the preview to the OEMs guaranteeing that the system interface will not change, and manufacturers can develop their updates knowing it will work with the rtm too. Do you really think they do everyting sequentially?

    What hopmedic is saying is that the Director of Windows Phone said that they were done. THAT is what hopmedic is saying. Either listen to the podcast or read the quote that I transcribed (removing the uhs and ums).
    The problem is that you're taking his word like he's god. Or like they cannot change plans, or delay the update release, or whatever they will decide to do.
    I got what he said. I think that things are going to be differently.
    And I think we will never reach a common point here, and we have to wait the build number to be the same (if you're right) or greater (if I'm right) of the preview's one.
    10-22-2013 11:37 AM
  24. hopmedic's Avatar
    I'm having a hard time figuring out what is so hard for people to understand about the word that he used - "finished".
    10-22-2013 11:37 AM
  25. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    Taking a look at the calendar early 2014 isn't too far away. If you are that impatient don't what to tell ya. Enjoy your new Android I guess.
    Minimum of 3 months, and add in that 8.1 was said to be earl-y2014, but has lately been called sping-2014, and you see a bit of a snowball effect. That, and you see how we were told ALL devices would get GDR2 by the end of September, yet AT&T didn't get it out until mid-October, and there is another issue. Of course, it could mean Black is ready for early-2014, meaning that's when the carrier foot-dragging begins.
    10-22-2013 12:18 PM
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