11-07-2013 10:25 PM
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  1. Optiplex330's Avatar

    Word, PDF and everything productive...
    Everything can be found in the office app. It's perfectly organized and It allows you to store files, pick them up from Skydrive and use them as you see fit. Even lost mail attachements are there. I have used it extensively when going on a trip and saved every guide, map and information on my Phone. It was perfectly accessible through the office hub.

    I can understand and respect the need for a file explorer by some of you. I am just wondering why it is needed so badly. More than often I see threads about what Windows Phone needs. Some people seem to name features of Android or iOS that are desperatly needed for Windows Phone while I am of the opionion that Windows Phone does these things extremely well and even better than their counterparts. I love the hub system in Windows Phone and it saddens me that some users want to change it to a more generic android-like system. It would be nice to see a few use cases on why there is need for a file explorer.
    I almost never use my phone for music. But I definitely need my Words and Excel and PDF files when I went to rural areas with no Internet connection. My conclusion is, WP phones are for advanced countries with 24/7 fast access to Skydrive and not the 3rd world. They should have put a warning sticker on the phone about that.
    Ek-Balam likes this.
    11-04-2013 03:17 PM
  2. T Moore's Avatar
    The phone OS is secure, that will not be compromised because some want a file manager feature.
    Any file feature that is added will not be able to do any more that you can do with a PC when the phone is connected.
    I have never need a file manager.
    nohra likes this.
    11-04-2013 03:26 PM
  3. Ezhik's Avatar
    They don't need to allow access to every part of the file system, you know.
    11-04-2013 03:39 PM
  4. tk-093's Avatar
    Don't need a file explorer, just better file managment. I've used them all... I've got a drawer full of old school WM's and Androids, and even now currently swapping between a Moto X and a Nokia 928. We don't really need a full blown file explorer.

    That is what I think we need.... lets say I click on a mp3 on a website that I want to use as a ringtone. It should download the dang thing into the sounds folder on my phone so I can select it as a ringtone.. On Android when I do that it goes to the generic downloads section and then I have to move it to my sounds folder.

    Things that don't fall into the picture, sound or document catagory can go into a generic downloads folder.
    11-04-2013 03:46 PM
  5. cckgz4's Avatar
    again all those peeps who have requested in that site are wp8 enthusiast who want it BUT you have to remember that we are the minority and NOT everyone wants a file manager. regular peeps just want a smartphone that wont crash, wont slow down , able to use instagram,facebook, vine, not worry about " oh I cant move my file here and here and there and oh no I need to delete some files. now if you ask a regular consumer " hey do you want or need a file manager" they would say "what is that"



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    sahib lopez likes this.
    11-04-2013 04:38 PM
  6. azcruz's Avatar
    I have an Xperia V running Android 4.1.2 and has "File Commander" installed. When I open it up I only see the mess of what the Android file system is.

    On my HTC 8S, I just use the Windows Phone app to manage what it is supposed to manage- Music, Videos, Photos and Documents.
    11-04-2013 06:28 PM
  7. Moiz Mian's Avatar
    I think the current implementation is great! They just need to iron out some kinks. For example, I love that if you download music or video from the browser using UC browser or something, it goes straight to the music+video hub. Or if you download photos, they go to the photos hub, or office files go to the office hub. PDF files go to the Adobe Reader app.

    What needs work is how these are managed. For example, the video management is poor at best. Currently there is no API for loading a video in a 3rd party app, ie. whatsapp. We should also be allowed to choose what quality of image/video we would like to send. Even if the choice is only available over wifi. Also, making it easier to upload office files to email or PDF's from the attachment page.

    These are the kind of things that need improvement. The basics are there and it's good! There is already more control over files than you can get on an iphone. I don't think we need a full file explorer. Like someone said earlier, it's dumb to give someone the freedom to put music in the documents folder or vice versa. It's unnecessary and just adds complexity where it's not needed.
    sahib lopez likes this.
    11-04-2013 06:38 PM
  8. sahib lopez's Avatar
    They don't need to allow access to every part of the file system, you know.
    this is not towards you in anyway....but then if you say they don't have to allow every part the file system then someone will say " well why did they even add this this if I cant access anything its too locked down blah blah blah im going back to android " or 'this file manager is not like android" you see where this Is going. a half backed file manager will get SOOO much flack from users that requested a file manager to the android users that will ridicule wp8 for having half baked file manager. msft cant please everyone so if they chose to ignore a minor 7000 users to keep it simple and fluid and gain more users because of the simple os fine by me and if they chose to put a file manager...... fine by me also but both will have its consequences and I wonder what msft choses
    11-04-2013 06:43 PM
  9. sahib lopez's Avatar
    Without a file explorer phones look like a toy to me. You can do only what the phone manufacters want you to do.
    A file explorer would be a first (and also a big) step towards a free system. What do I mean by free system? Well, for example Windows.
    When I'm on windows, I feel like I can do ANYTHING (even tho I just do regular stuff, yt/fb). Why couldn't WP have a FS like Win has (also symbian had something very similar).
    For example:

    C:\ - Phone System (accessable by user/apps but read only - ROM) : this would be what C:\Windows is on Win. A drive where the system is stored, you can only look at it. Size - 5gb or whatever, idk how much WP needs.
    D:\ - Mass Memory - fully accessible by user and apps. Has folders: Program Files(thats where apps would be installed), User files(subfolders - music, videos, etc), and so on..
    F:\ - SD Card
    G:\ and H:\ - USB OTG
    say what o.o? .......this is a smart phone not a full blown computer.. if you showed that to regular consumer they would be confused....and if you do consider os without a file manager a toy then why is IOS in second place there are users and a market who just like an os that " just works" the days have passed where you have to manage your files on your phone ... I believe that a smartphone should be easy to use and productive and with a complicated file manager that was suggested is way to complicated and will take away from that simplistic os that Is WP8
    nohra likes this.
    11-04-2013 06:52 PM
  10. xratola's Avatar
    say what o.o? .......this is a smart phone not a full blown computer.. if you showed that to regular consumer they would be confused....and if you do consider os without a file manager a toy then why is IOS in second place there are users and a market who just like an os that " just works" the days have passed where you have to manage your files on your phone ... I believe that a smartphone should be easy to use and productive and with a complicated file manager that was suggested is way to complicated and will take away from that simplistic os that Is WP8
    And what if you need to work with .zip files or any other kind of file. That's what I don't like about WP we praise our OS of being fast and we can't attach a file from the email hub nor a lot documents in the same email that sounds like crap to me. with a file manager we wouldn't face that, we would only have to check our file/files and send them away. That's why we need that. Or not directly a file manager but a way to manage our content freely without limitations.
    Ek-Balam likes this.
    11-04-2013 07:06 PM
  11. sahib lopez's Avatar
    And what if you need to work with .zip files or any other kind of file. That's what I don't like about WP we praise our OS of being fast and we can't attach a file from the email hub nor a lot documents in the same email that sounds like crap to me. with a file manager we wouldn't face that, we would only have to check our file/files and send them away. That's why we need that. Or not directly a file manager but a way to manage our content freely without limitations.
    while I agree with you that we cant send zipped files in our emails but like I said before most of the Common users I encounter that use ios,and android never use that function and just simply copy and past and in our case share to an email and send .....I don't think there is a need to zip our files when the user cares in reality if they received it or not. and also there is a fine line between a good file manager and a bad one and the way msft has it now I think its the best one between ios and android ...sure they could improve but in the end it comes down does it work the way it should and not have to manage our things
    cckgz4 likes this.
    11-04-2013 07:16 PM
  12. lippidp's Avatar
    Perhaps the Enterprise Pack will give us a file explorer. Those of you that use a smartphone for consumer stuff can keep things like they are and those of us that want to be productive can get the Enterprise Pack.
    11-04-2013 07:21 PM
  13. cckgz4's Avatar
    There was only one time I encountered the need for opening a zip file, and I had an android device at the time. Had i owned anything else, I would've been out of luck

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    11-04-2013 07:29 PM
  14. xratola's Avatar
    That's right and not a file explorer properly said but a tool that gives us the possibility to store and share our different types of files easily. Not a big change is required also if they don't like the file explorer concept give us an extra folder in the phone like Music or Documents but called "other" and give us the power to save things there from the Phone, to open files from there and to share things from there. I think this last "concept" will be easier to learn for the average Joe.
    Or tell me don't you hate when you want to download some file from the internet and you can't store it?
    sahib lopez likes this.
    11-04-2013 07:31 PM
  15. sahib lopez's Avatar
    Perhaps the Enterprise Pack will give us a file explorer. Those of you that use a smartphone for consumer stuff can keep things like they are and those of us that want to be productive can get the Enterprise Pack.
    but wouldn't that cause fragmentation?
    Ek-Balam likes this.
    11-04-2013 09:47 PM
  16. sahib lopez's Avatar
    That's right and not a file explorer properly said but a tool that gives us the possibility to store and share our different types of files easily. Not a big change is required also if they don't like the file explorer concept give us an extra folder in the phone like Music or Documents but called "other" and give us the power to save things there from the Phone, to open files from there and to share things from there. I think this last "concept" will be easier to learn for the average Joe.
    Or tell me don't you hate when you want to download some file from the internet and you can't store it?
    I agree with you with the other thing but the only way we know how it will turn out is when MSFT decides to give us that ( even though I never needed on or want one ) but I have never downloaded anything to my phone except apps but the rest I use my computer or surface to either save stuff to the cloud and then see it on my phone. but I will be interested in if and when and how msft introduces a file manager
    11-04-2013 09:52 PM
  17. Optiplex330's Avatar
    Hi.
    I don't quite understand this 'extra secure' nature of WP8 way of handling Words and Excels etc and hope someone could enlighten me.

    Supposed we have a virus/malware infested Words document. This infected document get uploaded to Skydrive and the same infected document get downloaded into the phone. So unless Microsoft scan each and every document being uploaded into Skydrive, I don't see how doing this roundabout way of getting document into our phone could be more secure.
    11-04-2013 10:09 PM
  18. sahib lopez's Avatar
    Hi.
    I don't quite understand this 'extra secure' nature of WP8 way of handling Words and Excels etc and hope someone could enlighten me.

    Supposed we have a virus/malware infested Words document. This infected document get uploaded to Skydrive and the same infected document get downloaded into the phone. So unless Microsoft scan each and every document being uploaded into Skydrive, I don't see how doing this roundabout way of getting document into our phone could be more secure.
    while I don't understand the whole virus thing and i don't want to go off topic but i think the virus would have to be complied to work on ARM and even then it wouldn't be isolated because i don't think programs aren't able to access other files in the phone BUT if we did have a open file system then we would be in trouble
    11-04-2013 10:24 PM
  19. ag1986's Avatar
    again all those peeps who have requested in that site are wp8 enthusiast who want it BUT you have to remember that we are the minority and NOT everyone wants a file manager. regular peeps just want a smartphone that wont crash, wont slow down , able to use instagram,facebook, vine, not worry about " oh I cant move my file here and here and there and oh no I need to delete some files. now if you ask a regular consumer " hey do you want or need a file manager" they would say "what is that"
    These "peeps" clearly do not need a smartphone at all. Please return to your Ashas.
    11-04-2013 11:40 PM
  20. ag1986's Avatar
    while I don't understand the whole virus thing and i don't want to go off topic but i think the virus would have to be complied to work on ARM and even then it wouldn't be isolated because i don't think programs aren't able to access other files in the phone BUT if we did have a open file system then we would be in trouble
    Yes, you don't understand it. Let me correct this.

    Word/Excel viruses are 'macro viruses', depending on embedded VBA code in the docx/xlsx file to do their thing. As the Office apps on WP are incapable of handling VBA, it wouldn't work. Having access to the file system would be a moot point. Also, these are written to target Windows and in general virus writers like to target popular platforms. WP is in no danger of being called 'popular' any time soon.
    11-04-2013 11:43 PM
  21. ag1986's Avatar
    say what o.o? .......this is a smart phone not a full blown computer.. if you showed that to regular consumer they would be confused....and if you do consider os without a file manager a toy then why is IOS in second place there are users and a market who just like an os that " just works" the days have passed where you have to manage your files on your phone ... I believe that a smartphone should be easy to use and productive and with a complicated file manager that was suggested is way to complicated and will take away from that simplistic os that Is WP8
    Perhaps you should get John's Phone - The World's Simplest Cell Phone | Covering mobile news from all over the world - easy to use, it won't confuse poor little you.
    11-04-2013 11:45 PM
  22. rdubmu's Avatar
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    I agree. I actually use my skydive account as a file manager. I don't need anything else. :)

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    11-04-2013 11:51 PM
  23. cckgz4's Avatar
    Although it's apparent sarcasm, little ole him that you're mocking is the general consumer that's in the market for a smartphone. Everyone that purchases a smartphone aren't going to use the full capabilities of it, and the majority wouldn't be able to tell you what a file explorer is. Again, it's nice to have options, but don't knock the platform because something like this is missing. If we were talking about FFC support, more major apps missing than the ones we had, lack of gyroscope and compass, no productivity & banking apps, on top of bottom of the barrel sales, I would agree. But file explorer and, dare I say, a notification center, seems to be at best trivial and preferential. There are times where I want a separate volume control and better internet browser options, but I'm more than sure everyone (majorly referring to the general consumer) would not give a damn. If these features pop up down the line, I'm all for it cause that's more people being happier with the platform, but if they don't then oh well.
    sahib lopez likes this.
    11-04-2013 11:54 PM
  24. cckgz4's Avatar
    I agree. I actually use my skydive account as a file manager. I don't need anything else. :)

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    Same here. I use my Office app to look at recently opened files as well
    11-04-2013 11:57 PM
  25. snowmutt's Avatar
    I have been a huge advocate against a file explorer (such as Android has) but I do believe there should be some flexibility in how we save and open files. WITHIN the Pictures folder, the option to create more folders for the images we save would be nice. Same goes for within Documents and Videos! But I do not think that we should have an option to put documents in videos folder or videos in documents folder or any other combination. Music should automatically sort by Artist like it is already.

    We should also be able to allow apps to access these files ONLY when the user accepts it. Similarly to W8 when you have the modern file browser open up. However it should limit you specifically to the Pictures folder, Documents folder, or Video folder depending on what the app is trying to access.

    Working at Geek Squad has made it really obvious to me that the File Explorer is not good for the common user. When they try to back up their media and have no idea where everything is they tend to lose a lot of information. It's a real pain to locate all their music and all their pictures and videos and documents, they don't understand that every app uses a different part of their storage.
    Excellent post.

    This is one of those mobile features I wonder who is really for it. You are going to move files and organize major documents.... on your PHONE?? I am not belittling it, I just find it amazing that there is a need for that. It is like some of the people who want to see MS put Power Point functionality on the mobile version of Office. How on Earth do you do that on even a larger screen phone? It sounds like to me one of those "better in theory then in real life" ideas. Tablets and Ultra Books make sense- so long as the real estate is large enough to make it practicle.

    Then you throw in the casual user like what berty talks about, and you have that more harm then good example that would apply to what, maybe 70% of tech users? My wife was haaving a melt down trying to move a saved picture from a CD to her documents just recently. Just a pure, hide the kids, dogs cower under the couch, and husbands wish they were anywhere else on the planet type MELTDOWN, and all she had to do was "right click", select send to, and tell it where to go.

    Can you imagine how much harder the process of undoing those mistakes are on a mobile device?

    *shudders*

    Much like the OP, I am not against it, I just wonder if there is enough need for it to offset the potential downside of using the seamless operation of our OS.
    cckgz4 likes this.
    11-05-2013 12:47 AM
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