11-16-2013 01:25 PM
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  1. Bleser's Avatar
    Hi all,

    Currently I have a Gmail email address as my primary address for my contacts / email / etc. I was curious if I went through the pain of making my new @live.com address my primary address if there would be any "user experience" benefit on my WP8. Are the mail notifications more 'instant' as gmail was on my Android phone (as opposed to the 15-minute-check with Gmail)? Are attachments downloaded any faster (been having a problem where even small attachments take minutes to download on my WP8)? Anything else I'm not thinking about?

    Thanks!
    11-09-2013 06:04 AM
  2. alv3st3r's Avatar
    I was curious if I went through the pain of making my new @live.com address my primary address if there would be any "user experience" benefit on my WP8.
    Its Outlook now. See these comparison links below and decide for yourself which one you find better:

    Best Email Service: Gmail vs.Outlook.com | Maximum PC
    Outlook.com vs. Gmail: What Microsoft is still missing | PCWorld
    Outlook vs. Gmail: A Feature-by-Feature Comparison
    10 ways Outlook.com beats Gmail | News | TechRadar
    11-09-2013 06:24 AM
  3. neo158's Avatar
    I would say yes, Microsoft don't scan your emails to deliver targeted ads to your inbox ;)
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    11-09-2013 08:02 AM
  4. Bleser's Avatar
    Thanks for the links. Good articles, but didn't see anything that addressed my main question about PUSH support for an @live.com account vs. @gmail.com on WP8. Can anyone speak to that or is it simply not supported with either?
    11-09-2013 01:36 PM
  5. yeewiz's Avatar
    but didn't see anything that addressed my main question about PUSH support for an @live.com account vs. @gmail.com on WP8. Can anyone speak to that or is it simply not supported with either?
    I had a myname@mydomain.com as my MS account and set up the email account on my WP8 and had the similar 15 min check. I added a myname@outlook.com alias to my MS account and added this alias email account to my WP8. I configured myname@outlook.com on WP8 to get mail as it arrives. I then forwarded all email from myname@mydomain.com to myname@outlook.com. Now I get all email on my phone and laptop as they arrive. I didn't change anything to my laptop outlook.com app and it is still configured for myname@mydomain.com. I don't notice that attachment speeds are abnormal in my use.

    HTH
    11-09-2013 02:17 PM
  6. alv3st3r's Avatar
    Thanks for the links. Good articles, but didn't see anything that addressed my main question about PUSH support for an @live.com account vs. @gmail.com on WP8. Can anyone speak to that or is it simply not supported with either?
    Yes it does.
    Outlook Blog - Outlook.com now has IMAP
    11-09-2013 02:48 PM
  7. anony_mouse's Avatar
    I would say yes, Microsoft don't scan your emails to deliver targeted ads to your inbox ;)
    So the question is - how do they pay for it?
    11-09-2013 02:53 PM
  8. alv3st3r's Avatar
    So the question is - how do they pay for it?
    He said "targeted ads" not "no ads" at all.
    11-09-2013 03:15 PM
  9. Bleser's Avatar
    Great info. Thanks all.
    11-09-2013 03:32 PM
  10. anony_mouse's Avatar
    He said "targeted ads" not "no ads" at all.
    I just logged into outlook.com. In the bottom right corner, there is a button marked "Ad Choices". This takes you to a page explaining that Microsoft show you personalised ads - Your privacy and Microsoft personalised ads.
    So in fact, Microsoft DO show users personalised advertisements in outlook.com.
    It does seem to be possible to switch off personalised ads, but of course very few users will do so. It's an opt-out, not an opt-in.
    11-10-2013 07:53 AM
  11. alv3st3r's Avatar
    Those "personalized ads" are based on your cookies not your mail content. The point is Outlook doesn't scan you mail.
    11-10-2013 08:21 AM
  12. tcedwards's Avatar
    Outlook hands down, doesn't scan your mail, has the same functionality, and isnt made by google
    11-10-2013 08:25 AM
  13. shmsnh's Avatar
    If you have a WP device, I say you're better off with Outlook (hotmail/live). On my phone, gmail took a long time to start working properly for me, whereas my hotmail account has never had any issues. Then there's the added bonus of not having Google read your emails. And since it's Google, you never know if and when they might want to screw Microsoft again by messing up email for WP8 users.
    11-10-2013 09:10 AM
  14. anony_mouse's Avatar
    Those "personalized ads" are based on your cookies not your mail content. The point is Outlook doesn't scan you mail.
    I think it's debateable which is worse. Microsoft ads will presumably be based on browsing history, amongst other things.
    And I assume Microsoft do 'scan' your mail for viruses, etc.
    11-10-2013 10:13 AM
  15. alv3st3r's Avatar
    Microsoft ads will presumably be based on browsing history, amongst other things.
    This is how most of the ads work on internet i.e. based on your cookies.

    And I assume Microsoft do 'scan' your mail for viruses, etc.
    Yes (the things that are scanned are sender's email ID for spam, hyperlinks in the email, attachments, etc) and so other every email service does this but people find it creepy when you're being served with the ads based on their email content.
    11-10-2013 10:41 AM
  16. anony_mouse's Avatar
    Yes (the things that are scanned are sender's email ID for spam, hyperlinks in the email, attachments, etc) and so other every email service does this but people find it creepy when you're being served with the ads based on their email content.
    I think it's creepier when you do something on one site (e.g. get a price for a flight) and the next site you look at has adverts with prices for that flight. That's tracking you around the internet, taking information from one context and using it in another (*). Ads next to an e-mail based on the content of that e-mail don't bother me so much. After all, the scanning is done by a computer, not a person, and the information is only used in the context is was provided in.

    (*) Yes, I know Google do this.
    11-10-2013 10:55 AM
  17. alv3st3r's Avatar
    I think it's creepier when you do something on one site (e.g. get a price for a flight) and the next site you look at has adverts with prices for that flight. That's tracking you around the internet, taking information from one context and using it in another.
    Use disconnect extension.
    11-10-2013 11:32 AM
  18. MyNL822's Avatar
    Lol, to ACTUALLY ANSWER your question... i have both a gmail email and a live email. I made a live email after getting this device and they are both set to push email to me. The live email account has more set options than gmail account. Live can download new content: as items arrive(instantly), every 15 mins, every 30 mins, hourly, and manually. Gmail can download new content:Every 15 mins, every 30 mins, hourly, every 2 hours, and manually. So, gmail has no instant email pushing option. I don't know if this is a result of Google or Microsoft, but live emails for me are rare and i would rather have my gmail account download new content instantly. This is the difference of pushing options, i honestly think they want you to switch to live instead of google, but i like all the features of google and I'm not giving it up because of my Microsoft phone. Live doesn't even have the option to login with out the domain name( @live.com). That is just annoying.
    11-10-2013 03:40 PM
  19. neo158's Avatar
    Lol, to ACTUALLY ANSWER your question... i have both a gmail email and a live email. I made a live email after getting this device and they are both set to push email to me. The live email account has more set options than gmail account. Live can download new content: as items arrive(instantly), every 15 mins, every 30 mins, hourly, and manually. Gmail can download new content:Every 15 mins, every 30 mins, hourly, every 2 hours, and manually. So, gmail has no instant email pushing option. I don't know if this is a result of Google or Microsoft, but live emails for me are rare and i would rather have my gmail account download new content instantly. This is the difference of pushing options, i honestly think they want you to switch to live instead of google, but i like all the features of google and I'm not giving it up because of my Microsoft phone. Live doesn't even have the option to login with out the domain name( @live.com). That is just annoying.
    I guess you haven't been in the Microsoft ecosystem for very long so I'll let you in on why we all hate Google:

    1. They removed API support for Google Voice citing security concerns, meaning no Google Voice support for Windows Phone users.

    2. They don't allow Windows Phone users to have a decent YouTube experience through an official app.

    3. Google Maps in IE on Windows Phone was temporarily screwed up on purpose by Google, and was only fixed when people complained about it.

    4. They removed EAS support from Gmail, meaning NO PUSH EMAIL SUPPORT, in order to give WP users a ****ty experience when accessing it, forcing Microsoft to add support for CalDAV and CardDAV.

    These four things are why the majority of WP users hate Google and refuse to use their services, I terminated my Google Account as have many others who use WP.

    If you're happy with Google keyword scanning your private email then that's fine but I, like a lot of others, believe it to be a massive invasion of privacy.
    Last edited by neo158; 11-10-2013 at 07:09 PM.
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    11-10-2013 06:53 PM
  20. evilrob's Avatar
    I switched from Gmail to Outlook.com as part of my "switching to Microsoft" experiment.

    I like it. It works.
    11-10-2013 07:17 PM
  21. kristalsoldier's Avatar
    I switched from Gmail to Outlook.com as part of my "switching to Microsoft" experiment.

    I like it. It works.
    Hi...

    Thanks for the link. Interesting info. Can you explain precisely how you switched from Gmail to Outlook? I have been a user of Gmail since 2005 and have about 4-5 GB of mails in my Gmail account. I now also have an Outlook account, which works well with my Surface and Nokia 720. I think I would like to move everything - contacts, mails etc. - to Outlook (I already use the Outlook calendar). So, some pointers would be very helpful. Thanks in advance.
    11-10-2013 08:46 PM
  22. gillboyzz's Avatar
    You might like to revisit your Gmail configuration on your device. My WP Gmail push works even faster than on my Nexus 4. Setup your Gmail as an exchange account through advanced setup in Email+ Account rather than just setting it up through the regular Gmail option.
    11-10-2013 08:54 PM
  23. neo158's Avatar
    You might like to revisit your Gmail configuration on your device. My WP Gmail push works even faster than on my Nexus 4. Setup your Gmail as an exchange account through advanced setup in Email+ Account rather than just setting it up through the regular Gmail option.
    EAS isn't an option for Gmail on WP any more, Google removed EAS support a while ago which is why Microsoft had to add support for CalDAV and CardDAV.
    11-11-2013 01:59 AM
  24. neo158's Avatar
    yeah, so basically fanboi rant without any of the facts or context.
    Not really, look up those four points online and you'll see they ARE fact, at this point only "fanbois" defend Google!!
    11-11-2013 06:35 AM
  25. ag1986's Avatar
    Not really, look up those four points online and you'll see they ARE fact, at this point only "fanbois" defend Google!!
    I'm not defending Google or MS - I don't really care. However if you note the clarifications I posted inline on that comment, I'm just explaining the context. Removing EAS doesn't mean that Google is screwing WP - it just means that they don't want to keep using a paid protocol for email when there are alternatives.
    11-11-2013 06:43 AM
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