12-11-2013 06:31 PM
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  1. tgp's Avatar
    This post tells me that you haven't used a Windows Phone, period. Lets break it down into several points:
    Your points below, especially the first one, tell me that you haven't used an Android phone, at least a recent flagship. A Nexus 5 or Moto X will at least match, if not outdo, the performance of any WP.

    If you feel the same way I do then you'd be primarily using a Windows Phone instead
    I see what you did there! You're correct, taking my post literally would mean I'd be using a Windows Phone. I of course was referring to your description of what you want in a phone.

    I came to my conclusion by experience. Have you had a recent Nexus device? Try a Nexus 5 or a Nexus 4 and then tell me you have to flash a custom ROM to get "a phone that works out OOTB not one I have to root, and install a custom ROM/Kernel onto to get better performance!!". As I've said before, Android rightly earned the negative reputation. However, it's no longer valid. It's like saying you're not going to Hiroshima, Japan because the US is dropping nuclear bombs there.
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    12-11-2013 11:53 AM
  2. neo158's Avatar
    Your points below, especially the first one, tell me that you haven't used an Android phone, at least a recent flagship. A Nexus 5 or Moto X will at least match, if not outdo, the performance of any WP.
    I was just pointing out the holes in his argument based on my experience as a mature smartphone user. Granted I haven't used either of those phones but from the performance of Android 4.4 on my Galaxy Nexus I would say it matches my Windows Phone.

    I see what you did there! You're correct, taking my post literally would mean I'd be using a Windows Phone. I of course was referring to your description of what you want in a phone.

    I came to my conclusion by experience. Have you had a recent Nexus device? Try a Nexus 5 or a Nexus 4 and then tell me you have to flash a custom ROM to get "a phone that works out OOTB not one I have to root, and install a custom ROM/Kernel onto to get better performance!!". As I've said before, Android rightly earned the negative reputation. However, it's no longer valid. It's like saying you're not going to Hiroshima, Japan because the US is dropping nuclear bombs there.
    The irony is that I had to root my Galaxy Nexus to install the CM11 Nightly build to get Android 4.4, so to be fair I did have to root my phone and install a custom ROM to get better performance.

    Thank you for a civilised reply in a thread filled with angry hateful posts
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    12-11-2013 12:10 PM
  3. Guytronic's Avatar
    Because no one has offered a convincing argument as to why they are necessary on Windows Phone. Others can do what they want with their phones, I don't care.

    What I want to know is why I'm not mature enough to own a phone if I don't support Windows Phone having custom ROMs?
    Previous comments about "Maturity" and "found commonly in children" I thought was condescending at it's best.
    Those of us who have or had children in our lives recognize their unfettered brilliance.
    Many who are obsessed with changing things such as the large population of happy Android device owners become that way born from childlike curiosity.

    Why is it vital to elbow in here to force a change in a system that works fine for many of us?
    Last edited by Guytronic; 12-11-2013 at 12:14 PM. Reason: content
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    12-11-2013 12:13 PM
  4. neo158's Avatar
    Previous comments about "Maturity" and "found commonly in children" I thought was condescending at it's best.
    Those of us who have or had children in our lives recognize their unfettered brilliance.
    Many who are obsessed with changing things such as the large population of happy Android device owners become that way born from childlike curiosity.

    Why is it vital to elbow in here to force a change in a system that works fine for many of us?
    I totally agree, it's condescending, rude and an insult.
    I don't have children myself but, as a godparent, I have recognised the unfettered brilliance in my godchildren.
    I think you're right, Android users have a childlike curiosity and that is by no means an insult. Because of this they have a because I can attitude which suits Android.

    The problem is that the vast majority of Windows Phone users these days have come over from Android and expect it to work the same way.
    12-11-2013 12:56 PM
  5. Kebero's Avatar
    So are iOS and Android (although on Android it's easy for the user to enable installing apps from non-approved sources if they wish).
    With regards to Android, when a person "roots" their device, they are essentially disabling the most basic security feature of any Unix/Linux system. The most important step to protecting a *nix system is to disable root access. Root is a user that, for lack of a better term, is a god on the system. By rooting your Android device, you are virtually running everything on that user level. Sure, it allows you to do whatever you want to with the system, but it also allows anything else operating on that same run level the exact same access. And that can allow things to bypass sandboxing if they want to.
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    12-11-2013 01:11 PM
  6. tgp's Avatar
    The irony is that I had to root my Galaxy Nexus to install the CM11 Nightly build to get Android 4.4, so to be fair I did have to root my phone and install a custom ROM to get better performance.
    Yes for the Galaxy Nexus that's true. My wife had one. But, it ran just fine on 4.3 Jelly Bean. It just didn't get KitKat.

    I'm sure you wonder why I'm on WPCentral all the time but yet defend Android. What happened was that a year ago, and then again 6 months ago or so, I did switch to WP. However, I found it too lacking for what I wanted. And since I like Android as well and I'm not worried about being Scroogled, I didn't see any reason to put up with less functionality. But if someone wants to avoid Google or Apple for whatever reason, or love WP's UI, I have no issue with that. That's why we have choices! What I don't like in this forum is the false info being said about Android, like slow, buggy, laggy, virus-infested. A couple years ago a lot of the accusations would've been valid, but no more. Well, TBH I don't know if it's much more secure, but I think that issue is blown out of proportion. Android supposedly has 80% of mobile malware, but it also has 80% market share. WP8 was exploited shortly after it was released to the public. I'm sure if WP's market share was 80%, it would be compromised as well.

    I have a WP that I use as a 2nd device, and I'm hoping 8.1 or later updates bring the OS closer to the modern day. When I feel I'm gaining more than I'm losing by going WP, I'll do it.
    12-11-2013 01:25 PM
  7. anony_mouse's Avatar
    With regards to Android, when a person "roots" their device, they are essentially disabling the most basic security feature of any Unix/Linux system. The most important step to protecting a *nix system is to disable root access. Root is a user that, for lack of a better term, is a god on the system. By rooting your Android device, you are virtually running everything on that user level. Sure, it allows you to do whatever you want to with the system, but it also allows anything else operating on that same run level the exact same access. And that can allow things to bypass sandboxing if they want to.
    I'm not talking about 'rooting'. I'm talking about ticking the little box that allows you to install apps from sources other than
    Google.
    Rooting an Android device, or using a custom ROM on any device, is for experts only. Normal users should not, and don't, do it. The fact it can be done does not pose a risk to them.
    Having said that, I don't believe that rooting an Android device means that everything runs as root. I believe it means the user can execute some commands as root. You are also assuming that sandboxing on Android relies on user access control. Genuine question - is that correct?
    12-11-2013 02:23 PM
  8. anony_mouse's Avatar
    Because no one has offered a convincing argument as to why they are necessary on Windows Phone. Others can do what they want with their phones, I don't care.

    What I want to know is why I'm not mature enough to own a phone if I don't support Windows Phone having custom ROMs?
    1. Don't confuse a personal insult with a technical issue.
    2. If you don't care what others do with their phones, why not let them use a custom ROM? For good reasons or bad, some people want to do this. It doesn't affect you or me, so why not let them?
    12-11-2013 02:27 PM
  9. squire777's Avatar
    Why is it that most people I see (here and other forums) advocating for custom WP ROMs are mainly Android users who probably don't even own a Windows phone?

    With Android I can understand why there is such a high demand for custom ROMs. If you buy some crap Android phone that's slow as molasses out of the box then surely a custom ROM is your best bet to increase performance. With WP there aren't those types of major lag issues so the only point I can see why people would want one is to pirate apps.

    And technically no one is stopping you from using a custom ROM on your WP. If you can figure out how to do it then go right ahead.
    12-11-2013 03:05 PM
  10. anony_mouse's Avatar
    Why is it that most people I see (here and other forums) advocating for custom WP ROMs are mainly Android users who probably don't even own a Windows phone?

    With Android I can understand why there is such a high demand for custom ROMs. If you buy some crap Android phone that's slow as molasses out of the box then surely a custom ROM is your best bet to increase performance. With WP there aren't those types of major lag issues so the only point I can see why people would want one is to pirate apps.

    And technically no one is stopping you from using a custom ROM on your WP. If you can figure out how to do it then go right ahead.
    It's nice that you will let them! And you managed to insult Android in the same post. Good work!
    12-11-2013 03:12 PM
  11. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    It's nice that you will let them! And you managed to insult Android in the same post. Good work!
    It is a WP forum after all. :P
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    12-11-2013 03:18 PM
  12. neo158's Avatar
    1. Don't confuse a personal insult with a technical issue.
    2. If you don't care what others do with their phones, why not let them use a custom ROM? For good reasons or bad, some people want to do this. It doesn't affect you or me, so why not let them?
    1. No one has the right to insult others, period. But telling them they aren't mature enough to have a phone if they disagree is just stupid and insulting. What makes it worse is that the insult, according to you, was aimed at me i.e. personal!!
    2. It doesn't affect me if someone chooses to brick their phone when trying to install a custom ROM, it's their phone after all. I just don't think that Windows Phone needs them, there are no convincing reasons for them.
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    12-11-2013 05:48 PM
  13. XXNUZ's Avatar
    You can put a custom ROM on your phone, but you need to unlock the bootloader.
    12-11-2013 06:04 PM
  14. marcomura's Avatar
    Too much options create too much complexity. And we all agree that complexity would ruin WP... Specially considering that its main selling point is simplicity.
    Interesting that you consider yourself as "we all"...
    Reading this, and all the "you don't need this" just because someone don't feel that need, I think that most of the people here should learn to be less egocentric.
    12-11-2013 06:07 PM
  15. Guytronic's Avatar
    1. No one has the right to insult others, period. But telling them they aren't mature enough to have a phone if they disagree is just stupid and insulting. What makes it worse is that the insult, according to you, was aimed at me i.e. personal!!
    Hahaha...
    Could have swore that was pointed at me as the former maniacal Android ROM flasher.


    Re-romming with android was fun for a bit.
    Everything wains with time even forum discussions like this one.
    Goes without saying few if any will be turned either way by what is typed into this thread.
    12-11-2013 06:09 PM
  16. eric12341's Avatar
    Hmm this thread seems to have derailed quite a bit. Off to the junk yard it goes.
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    12-11-2013 06:31 PM
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