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  1. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    Maybe that's why I said MS should keep pushing Nokia? You should take your own advice about reading before commenting. He may have made a mistake or two with prior predictions but he was also right about MS taking over Nokia even if his time frame was off. While he may be wrong suggesting that MS will ditch the Metro UI altogether, there's probably some truth to that as well.
    Why do I bother sometimes...

    MS owns Nokia now, so using the term 'pushing Nokia' makes no sense whatsoever. They're going to manufacture their own phones and I don't expect the Nokia name in phones to exist for much longer along with the Lumia name. We might see 2-3 years more of it but I doubt much more than that. As for pushing their own phones, yeah I can see that happening but also having other OEMs on board makes sense.

    As for the troll read this: Stopping the rumor mill: Windows Phone and the future of its unique UI | Windows Phone Central

    He's not been 'right' about much. He's been lucky. He's a troll, let's stop giving him any credit.

    To add to that, I highly doubt that MS would spend the millions they have on Metro just to scrap it. That makes zero sense. They're going to keep pushing and improving the Metro interface but it won't be scraped any time soon. So let's end it there. No one knows the future.

    Plus MS may actually have a self defeating strategy in place to promote brands like Galaxy for WP, it wouldn't be the first time they did something stupid.
    That would be incredibly stupid. Why buy a phone unit just to kill it?
    12-16-2013 05:47 AM
  2. 5150 Joker's Avatar
    Why do I bother sometimes...

    MS owns Nokia now, so using the term 'pushing Nokia' makes no sense whatsoever. They're going to manufacture their own phones and I don't expect the Nokia name in phones to exist for much longer along with the Lumia name. We might see 2-3 years more of it but I doubt much more than that. As for pushing their own phones, yeah I can see that happening but also having other OEMs on board makes sense.
    Then it'd be idiotic for thinking MS wouldn't keep the Nokia branding. Having other OEMs on board doesn't make any sense, this isn't Android nor should it strive to be. MS doesn't have a competitive ad based platform like Google does (which keeps Android free) and can't depend on that sort of business model--even Ballmer knows its nearly impossible to emulate. Plus there's also the problem of WP not being open source like Android so there's even less reason to have a myriad of manufacturers that are all using the same underlying software with just some minor hardware differences.

    As for the troll read this: Stopping the rumor mill: Windows Phone and the future of its unique UI | Windows Phone Central

    He's not been 'right' about much. He's been lucky. He's a troll, let's stop giving him any credit.

    To add to that, I highly doubt that MS would spend the millions they have on Metro just to scrap it. That makes zero sense. They're going to keep pushing and improving the Metro interface but it won't be scraped any time soon. So let's end it there. No one knows the future.



    That would be incredibly stupid. Why buy a phone unit just to kill it?
    Yes it would be stupid to kill Metro UI since IMO it is the best interface out there for smartphones but not their desktop. MS is focused on convergence between tablets, desktop and phones and they have unsuccessfully tried pushing Metro to pull that off. The backlash against the desktop Windows 8 is proof of that fact. So they may very well be considering an alternative UI to take its place that resembles something more like what Android uses or perhaps even a hybrid. So while I think it's fine the way it is for phones, it is terrible on the desktop.

    With regards to the "troll", he certainly has made plenty of errors and we all have more than enough reason to doubt him. However, I wouldn't take MS's word for it either because it wouldn't be in their interest to reveal plans for a major change like that - it would pretty much kill WP sales.
    12-16-2013 06:06 AM
  3. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    Then it'd be idiotic for thinking MS wouldn't keep the Nokia branding. Having other OEMs on board doesn't make any sense, this isn't Android nor should it strive to be. MS doesn't have a competitive ad based platform like Google does (which keeps Android free) and can't depend on that sort of business model--even Ballmer knows its nearly impossible to emulate. Plus there's also the problem of WP not being open source like Android so there's even less reason to have a myriad of manufacturers that are all using the same underlying software with just some minor hardware differences.
    WP wasn't meant to be like Android, so drop the comparison to Google and Android. Also Android isn't 'free' in any sense, that's a perpetuate myth. Ever since Google has owned it, it costs you more than you think. MS has the rights to the Nokia name and Lumia for 10 years but I highly doubt they'll use it that long. I have a bit of experience with company take overs so I'm not talking out of my *** here.

    Having other OEMs on board makes lots of sense. Just because it's not Android doesn't mean it's not viable. Also it would appear that WP8.1 will take care of some of the issues surrounding hardware so it may become very viable for other OEMs.

    Yes it would be stupid to kill Metro UI since IMO it is the best interface out there for smartphones but not their desktop. MS is focused on convergence between tablets, desktop and phones and they have unsuccessfully tried pushing Metro to pull that off. The backlash against the desktop Windows 8 is proof of that fact. So they may very well be considering an alternative UI to take its place that resembles something more like what Android uses or perhaps even a hybrid. So while I think it's fine the way it is for phones, it is terrible on the desktop.
    People are adverse to change. I personally like the Metro interface on desktop, phone and tablet. I personally hated the Start menu and was glad to see it gone. I'd personally like to see a complete Metro interface for desktop myself. Get rid of the 'desktop' all together, or kept for certain special occasions. A few more updates and I think Metro will work with well with Windows. Give it time. It's still new.

    I don't think WP will ever look like Android and I don't see it happening. Why would they do that?

    With regards to the "troll", he certainly has made plenty of errors and we all have more than enough reason to doubt him. However, I wouldn't take MS's word for it either because it wouldn't be in their interest to reveal plans for a major change like that - it would pretty much kill WP sales.
    I will doubt him as he has a well known vendetta against both Nokia and MS now. I won't take him seriously as there's no reason to. If MS is working with Samsung to get more WP out there, then great, it's all the better for WP. However, I doubt it would be that kind of money. I could see more like a concession of the license fee or something like that.

    As for MS future plans, we all know they're very quiet about it. Hell they manage to manufacture a tablet without leaking it.
    12-16-2013 06:38 AM
  4. snowmutt's Avatar
    Isnt its pathetic, thats huge, yeah i know its their money, but its like they are begging oems to use their OS, and i am losing my pride holding my wp8, what if theybcould just use,the 1billion to improve their wp8. ? So that everyone will like it
    I will take the minority side here: No, I do not find it to be bad business. It is what Nokia was getting each year to develop WP, and they single handedly got WP's marketshare to 10% or better in countries where the Nokia name carried wieght. One of the major downsides to the purchase of Nokia's handset division by MS is that the Nokia name is about to be lost. That brand name was respected and drove sales.

    Samsung's name does the same. It is respected and drives a certain group of purchasers to look at handsets jusy because of that brand. If Sammy is recieving big bucks to develop WP, they are not risking much actually promoting it. Increased sales puts money in their pocket, and down the road an ATIV line may stand happily next to their Galaxy line as a true source of income.

    I think it is a great move. I hope it happens.

    But, as Palandri pointed out, the source is the "National Enquirer" of the tech world who brags for 2 years when he gets one out of 50 predictions right.

    Grain of salt. A whole shaker of it.
    12-16-2013 09:21 AM
  5. unstoppablekem's Avatar
    I don't think they will make a whole range of WP8 devices and advertise them as well as the galaxy's. I think on the gs5 and gn4, there will be a dual boot OS mode, a windows mode and the regular android.
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    12-16-2013 09:28 AM
  6. Citizen X's Avatar
    But, as Palandri pointed out, the source is the "National Enquirer" of the tech world who brags for 2 years when he gets one out of 50 predictions right.

    Grain of salt. A whole shaker of it.
    ^This.

    Brand name matters and I can see MSFT making some inroads in Asia if Samsung made a real attempt with Windows Phone. But Samsung build quality is complete garbage when compared to Nokia. My biggest complaint with Nokia is the flimsy microUSB port on my Lumia 900 that has begun to flake out. But the rest of the phone is solid. If you pick up the Nokia 1520 and then pick up the Galaxy Note 3 there is no comparison. It's nice that the Galaxy Note has a consumer serviceable battery but the flimsy back is just begging to fall off that $300+ phone! For $300 the device should be solid.
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    12-16-2013 11:17 AM
  7. SwimSwim's Avatar
    Ugh do we really need Samsung on windows phone side. Their Cheap products are horrible and overrated in my opinion.

    I would rather Microsoft pay that to HTC or even zte or LG.
    But it's currently the hottest alternative to the iPhone, so having Samsung on WP's side could be a big boost for WP, especially if Samsung uses their existing Galaxy hardware. Of course, since Microsoft doesn't support OEMs slapping on every single feature they want to, they might be a difficult port...
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    12-16-2013 11:26 AM
  8. tgp's Avatar
    ^This.

    Brand name matters and I can see MSFT making some inroads in Asia if Samsung made a real attempt with Windows Phone. But Samsung build quality is complete garbage when compared to Nokia. My biggest complaint with Nokia is the flimsy microUSB port on my Lumia 900 that has begun to flake out. But the rest of the phone is solid. If you pick up the Nokia 1520 and then pick up the Galaxy Note 3 there is no comparison. It's nice that the Galaxy Note has a consumer serviceable battery but the flimsy back is just begging to fall off that $300+ phone! For $300 the device should be solid.
    Considering that the Note 3 by itself outsells all Windows Phones together, I wouldn't be quite so quick to criticize. The cheap build may be your opinion, but 10 million of the Note 3's were sold in the first 60 days after release. Even if they are cheaply built, they sell well.
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    12-16-2013 11:33 AM
  9. Oliver Newell's Avatar
    Like people are saying, that money could be used on much better ideas. I don't think MS is that desperate for Samsung to be right on board fully with windows phone, considering windows phone is now taking off, that with 1520 and 8.1, its only going to attract more customers. It would make sense if it was the other way round and WP was going no where.
    One thing I am looking forward to is rather than Samsung properly getting on board with WP, I can't wait for Sony to bring out a windows phone. Love the design and quality of the hardware, second to Nokia in my opinion, only Sony said they would only make a windows phone when the market was ready for them to become mainstream.

    On a side note, relating to this blogger, didn't he used to work for phone arena ? Like 4 years ago? I may be mistaken.
    12-16-2013 01:12 PM
  10. Jas00555's Avatar
    I get WHY they would be doing it (although I don't trust the source as far as I can throw him) since Samsung has the brand recognition that Nokia has when it comes to emerging market, which is where the growth is.

    Also @5150 joker, to your point of "why would an OEM bother to make a phone where the only difference is hardware and only small software differences", well I would like to introduce you to the largest OS in history, Windows. Ever since Windows existed, that has literally been the point of Windows. Take Windows 7, every single copy of Windows 7 Home Premium is almost 100% the same across OEMs, with bloatware (and in WP's case, this "bloatware" such as the Nokia Camera doesn't mean that all bloatware is bad) being the exception. Its a very effective strategy.
    12-16-2013 01:51 PM
  11. hopmedic's Avatar
    Anyone who doesn't know who the Russian blogger, Eldar Murtazin is, you can read about him here, so you'll know how much credence to give his rumors:
    Legal action against Eldar Murtazin - official statement - Nokia Conversations:
    And another source from here on WPC (don't the rules say to quote from here??? Just giving you a hard time, palandri!)
    eldar murtazin | Windows Phone Central
    12-16-2013 02:00 PM
  12. iOS Gravity's Avatar
    I would never believe this. Microsoft wouldn't go bribing companies to do something like that. Samsung wouldn't even take the money since the Galaxy line is popular and they already make a lot of money.
    12-16-2013 04:43 PM
  13. borasar's Avatar
    yes and snookie is on a shortlist for the next CEO of MS
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    12-16-2013 04:50 PM
  14. boovish's Avatar
    Thank god they declined. All same sung phones are garbage
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    12-16-2013 04:56 PM
  15. Citizen X's Avatar
    Considering that the Note 3 by itself outsells all Windows Phones together, I wouldn't be quite so quick to criticize. The cheap build may be your opinion, but 10 million of the Note 3's were sold in the first 60 days after release. Even if they are cheaply built, they sell well.
    You are absolutely right. I'm sorry if I gave the impression that I thought Samsung or the Note serious were unsuccessful. I am aware that Samsung created the phablet space all by itself inspite of naysayers calling the original Note ridiculous. But I am also pointing out that there are pros and cons to Samsung. Even if Samsung were to make a Windows Phone version of all their top selling devices how much of an impact do you think that will have in the US? I already acknowledged that it might help in Asia but I don't know how much of the delay in uptake of windows phone is due to hardware. The Lumia 1520 now pretty much has all the hardware the Note has save for the stylus and it is much cheaper... or at least was.

    As it currently stands if you don't want to buy an iphone but you are still obsessed with having a billion apps Android is the only game in town. And Samsung is the biggest Android manufacturer. Samsung is at the top of the Android heap. But will it be at the top of the Windows Phone heap? How many Windows Phone Note 3s do you think they can shift for $299 in an eco system where the Lumia 1520 can be had for $99? Do people really want a stylus so bad they will take abysmal build quality and pay $100-$200 more for a Note 3?
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    12-16-2013 06:13 PM
  16. Ordeith's Avatar
    I always wanted a Sony Xperia Z with WP8... but like the Nokia Lumia with Android, is just a pipe dream.

    For me, the only acceptable Android OEM's are Sony, HTC and with some degree the new Motorola.
    and that is part of the risk as well. HTC took what they learned from Windows Phone and used it to make the HTC One. HTCs Android offering is better for it, and it didn't really help WP in the end.
    12-16-2013 06:27 PM
  17. fdalbor's Avatar
    Actually that would not be a bad idea for Samsung. It would give them a little more protection from Goggle doing something alien with Android. But then they already make WP phones so whats the big deal. You know dang good and well they would never give up Android to push only WP. But doing both would not hurt Samsung at all. It would give them access to customers that perfer WP. Hell what do they have to lose. Think Microsoft paying them is a little far fetched.
    12-16-2013 08:08 PM
  18. metalchick719's Avatar
    Yeah... I'm calling B.S. on this one. Microsoft doesn't need Samsung. Period.
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    12-16-2013 08:18 PM
  19. Reflexx's Avatar
    yes and snookie is on a shortlist for the next CEO of MS
    Well, this is now posted on the internet; so it must be true.
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    12-16-2013 08:40 PM
  20. snowmutt's Avatar
    Yeah... I'm calling B.S. on this one. Microsoft doesn't need Samsung. Period.
    Not sure if this is true. Can MS be an "Apple" type of manufacturer? Can they push WP into the worldwide buying concious where it isn't selling well, and continue it's growth where it has taken off?

    Will they be able to keep all of Nokia's engineers, thinkers, and designers after the purchase? Can they maximize the logistics and supply chains? Can they improve the logistics and supply chains?

    Do we, as WP users, want all our eggs in the MS basket? With Nokia as a partner, we saw amazing growth and forward thinking. As a part of MS, are we sure 2 years from now that driving force won't have just become a part of the MS machine, and just be mediocre?

    I want other OEM's onboard. I would love to think that this merger will be amazing, and that Nokia's driving influence sparks MS to higher growth and amazing products. I really do. But if we keep HTC, Samsung, Huawei, and a few others in the fold we may end up seeing better support/products from them in a few years.

    I would hate to have to leave WP just due to poor hardware choices and MS not capitalizing on this purchase.

    Worst case scenario, I know. But just ask BlackBerry and Palm how those turn out from time to time.
    12-17-2013 05:12 AM
  21. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    I think it would be wise to focus to Your strongest asset which currently Nokia instead of trying to bribe Samsung into doing something worthwhile. If Microsoft would update windows phone properly as well have better flagship devices....that billion can go towards marketing.

    Samsung is not the best android phone by any means, imo. I would go with nearly any manufacturer besides Samsung and their windows phones are even worse. But Samsung has a great marketing campaign and Microsoft and Nokia need to capitalize on that and make their own campaign.

    Motorola did it with Droid. Tmobile had a very successful campaign with the T-Mobile girl.
    I do hope this is not true because that billion dollars could be much better spent.
    12-17-2013 05:47 AM
  22. hopmedic's Avatar
    MS owns Nokia now...
    False.

    The sale has not happened. Nokia's stockholders have approved the sale, US authorities have approved it, EU authorities have approved it, but that does not mean Microsoft owns Nokia. The sale of the devices division of Nokia is expected to happen in Q1 2014. But even then, Microsoft will not own Nokia. Nokia will continue to exist as its own entity with all of its other product lines intact.

    Let's battle the obviously false rumors, but let's not do it with misinformation.
    12-17-2013 08:29 AM
  23. JKing106's Avatar
    It doesn't matter who makes Windows Phones. The problem is the OS, and Microsoft's insulting "We know better than you..." hubris. It's been three years, and if Nokia hadn't finally gone after the low end market, Windows Phone would hardly sell at all. Consumers have voted with their wallets. The majority of people just don't like the OS. The members of this forum in no way represents the general public. Beside myself, I know three people who own a Windows Phone. One bought it because it was a cheap Gophone, and the others, like myself, were curious. None of us will be buying another for the same reasons we've all heard a thousand times, so I won't bother repeating them in detail (volume controls, start screen organization, lack of apps, gapless playback, VPN, dialer app organization, etc.)

    Microsoft needs to get off their asses and stop taking so long with updates and features, and actually listen to the complaints. 8.1 which will remedy some of these issues won't be here until April 2014.

    The other major problem is that they named the thing "Windows Phone." Microsoft is under the delusion that the "Windows" brand is gold with the general public, when the exact opposite is true. Yes, Microsoft has vastly improved security in Windows, but most people over 25 still associate the name with viruses and blue screens. Sad, but true. "Surface" would have been a good name, but Microsoft has ruined that brand through stupidity, arrogance, and incompetence like they did with Kin and Zune.

    What's going to happen is Microsoft is going to "dog food" (look it up) Nokia, which means firing or demoting all the Nokia department heads, then installing Microsoft stooges. Look up what happened to Danger and The Kin the last time this happened. There's a reason Roz Ho was banished to Siberia, and you can't find anything about her from Microsoft.

    Anyway, enough with the rambling, and with Microsoft's colossal blundering. It's like they want to fail. I'm not interested in being chained to Apple's obscene markups and iTunes store, so it's back to Android, I guess. I hear 4.4 is finally at iOS quality.
    12-17-2013 08:36 AM
  24. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    ^ Nice rant. Yeah usual complaints. Big surprise. Yawn. Don't let the door hit you on the way out!
    12-17-2013 09:19 AM
  25. hopmedic's Avatar
    It doesn't matter who makes Windows Phones. The problem is the OS, and Microsoft's insulting "We know better than you..." hubris. It's been three years, and if Nokia hadn't finally gone after the low end market, Windows Phone would hardly sell at all. Consumers have voted with their wallets. The majority of people just don't like the OS. The members of this forum in no way represents the general public. Beside myself, I know three people who own a Windows Phone. One bought it because it was a cheap Gophone, and the others, like myself, were curious. None of us will be buying another for the same reasons we've all heard a thousand times, so I won't bother repeating them in detail (volume controls, start screen organization, lack of apps, gapless playback, VPN, dialer app organization, etc.)

    Microsoft needs to get off their asses and stop taking so long with updates and features, and actually listen to the complaints. 8.1 which will remedy some of these issues won't be here until April 2014.

    The other major problem is that they named the thing "Windows Phone." Microsoft is under the delusion that the "Windows" brand is gold with the general public, when the exact opposite is true. Yes, Microsoft has vastly improved security in Windows, but most people over 25 still associate the name with viruses and blue screens. Sad, but true. "Surface" would have been a good name, but Microsoft has ruined that brand through stupidity, arrogance, and incompetence like they did with Kin and Zune.

    What's going to happen is Microsoft is going to "dog food" (look it up) Nokia, which means firing or demoting all the Nokia department heads, then installing Microsoft stooges. Look up what happened to Danger and The Kin the last time this happened. There's a reason Roz Ho was banished to Siberia, and you can't find anything about her from Microsoft.

    Anyway, enough with the rambling, and with Microsoft's colossal blundering. It's like they want to fail. I'm not interested in being chained to Apple's obscene markups and iTunes store, so it's back to Android, I guess. I hear 4.4 is finally at iOS quality.
    I guess you don't like Apple's "We know better than you..." hubris, either...

    So if you hate WP so much, why in the world do you waste your time here??
    12-17-2013 09:38 AM
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