12-24-2013 03:21 PM
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  1. Dratwister's Avatar
    This is not the answer of my question. Read the topic again .

    and I am just disappointed here . I'll shift whenever I feel that their is no hope for me in WP, you don't have to tell me that.
    and if you don't have answer then my humble request to you please stay silent.
    Everyone here gave you the answer of why apps need 1GB RAM when it can run 512MB on other OS. Didn't you get it?
    Which part in all answers here doesn't satisfy you? Please just say it and we'll try to explain :) again.

    Or you really did get it, but still don't want to leave it like that and demand to point your question to another aspect such as how immature WP8 currently is?


    P.S: I didn't force you to leave WP either :) Just suggest you to do so since you don't seem to like the answers here and trying to keep blaming the OS while leaving the developers out of question. Why do you have to keep yourself suffer so much with such immature OS that cannot run the game you like?

    But if you still love WP, and want to watch it grow up without sacrifice too many favorite games or apps, then the 525 with 1GB can be a great and cheap replacement for you to test.
    Just saying :) again
    abid11 and anon(7900571) like this.
    12-20-2013 01:02 PM
  2. ArthJar's Avatar
    As we know Subway Surfer arrives on WP but it need 1GB RAM (for now).
    first was Temble Run, now Subway Surfer (I am only picking the popular ones here)

    Is less numbers of apps and late coming apps on WP isn't enough that now this problem start.
    I mean is their some kind of problem with WP or what.

    This problem in WP seriously ******* me off.
    Aren't you guys thought that we adopt WP too early when it is pre-mature and having features and apps problem?
    Hey, I've checked into your problem, and can't tell if you're trolling or not.
    If you know it's not Microsoft's/Nokia's/Samsung's/HTC's/Huawei's/(Any Windoes Phone OEM)'s fault, then why bother keep asking for an app to be optimized for your cheap phone?
    Now, I'm not saying people with 512mb RAM devices should just stay out of the new apps offer, but you really can't expect much else.
    Why if you know it's the developer's fault don't you go and complain to their customer support? This is no place to complain because one developer decided to release the 1gb RAM versión first, or about the OS. Go to Facebook or those guys-who-created-temple-run's webpage.
    12-20-2013 02:09 PM
  3. foxbat121's Avatar
    This has been discussed to death. The fancy NT kernel does not come down to WP without sacrifices. The OS alone takes about 230MB of memory. WP7 is half of that. So when you buy a 512MB phone, only half of that is available to system app and 3rd party app. When you buy a 1GB phone you get significantly more space.

    Back in WP7 days, low end phones are 256MB and most games and apps has to be optimized in order to run properly on 256MB phones. The 512MB phone in WP8 is in the same position as 256MB phone.

    You just don't expect a low end phone to run all the apps. It is up to app dev to optimized the apps to fit within requirements.
    12-20-2013 04:10 PM
  4. Dantekai14's Avatar
    @Dratwister, @ArthJar and @foxbat121
    Thanks of your answers and suggestion.

    Next time I'll make sure that I'll buy a high end phone. But before I want to make sure that when I buy a 1GB RAM devices phone then it doesn't require atleast 2GB RAM that time for these small games.
    I don't want any top notch game like Real Racing, Halo etc, I am talking about some simple games here 30mb to 40mb. which runs on other OS even on 512MB RAM.
    and @@foxbat121 you said " It is up to app dev to optimized the apps to fit within requirements."
    It's actually WP fault for this app/games problem the same way we blame Android for it's security. Do Android make virus ...no but everyone is responsible for it's own OS problems. Even though they are not directly responsible for that.

    Guys one more thing
    Temple Run 2 also release and it also require 1GB RAM(which is not surprising since this is the way WP app system works)

    I read in the end of article ( The wait is over - Temple Run 2 hits the Windows Phone Store with Xbox Live | Windows Phone Central )
    "Microsoft's Joe Belfiore just confirmed that 512 MB support is coming in a future update"

    is Joe Belfiore is involved in developing this apps?
    Last edited by Dantekai14; 12-20-2013 at 07:33 PM.
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    12-20-2013 07:21 PM
  5. bilzkh's Avatar
    If people think developers (with no passion for WP) are going to spend 'more time' on optimizing their apps beyond the minimum required amount of work, they're mistaken. This won't happen until Microsoft commands serious market share and a large user base, sorry. Until then we can relish in the fact that the next-gen Lumia 5xx phone (i.e. Lumia 525) has 1GB of RAM and that 1GB RAM is likely going to be the base minimum for Windows Phone in 2014. That said, the fear of 2GB suddenly becoming the practical minimum is real. I hope that this 1GB business just has to do with Windows Phone 8 being a new platform (just over a year old).
    Binoya Mathews and FinancialP like this.
    12-20-2013 07:50 PM
  6. monzki's Avatar
    The TS is right. Ipod Touch 4th gen with 256mb RAM can run Temple Run 2 (although a bit laggy) but still.

    To those bashing the TS about computer science, programming, blah blah blah. You don't need the whole 1gb of ram to run mobile games, if it does then there's something absolutely wrong with either Windows Phone OS or the game itself.

    The TS has right to complain as 512mb is enough to play Temple Run 2.
    12-21-2013 09:37 AM
  7. gwinegarden's Avatar
    As someone who started writing code in 1967, I can say that the main reason is the programmers are becoming lazy and spoiled. Optimizing code takes work. The head of development for the number 2 hardware company, at the time, said (to paraphrase) it's easier to throw hardware at a problem than man hours. As memory and processors keep getting bigger/faster, there is less incentive to make code more efficient.
    WanderingTraveler and forked like this.
    12-21-2013 11:08 AM
  8. foxbat121's Avatar
    @Dratwister, @ArthJar and @foxbat121
    Thanks of your answers and suggestion.

    Next time I'll make sure that I'll buy a high end phone. But before I want to make sure that when I buy a 1GB RAM devices phone then it doesn't require atleast 2GB RAM that time for these small games.
    Make sure you buy the phone that is top of the line at that time. There is no doubt that we will see 2GB or even 4GB phones in the near future. And you will see games will require 2GB or 4GB to run when they first appear. It takes a lot of time and efforts to optimize your app to run within the constraints of lower memory phones. So, it is easier to release it first to high end phones so that you can make some money while working on optimizations.
    12-21-2013 02:22 PM
  9. foxbat121's Avatar
    You don't need the whole 1gb of ram to run mobile games, if it does then there's something absolutely wrong with either Windows Phone OS or the game itself.
    It requires 513MB of RAM. Your 512MB is only 1MB short :)

    As stated above, a 512MB phone only has some where around 250MB RAM left for all apps. As such each app is limited to 130MB by default so that it won't slow down the phone OS or crash. WIth a special permission, some apps can be allowed to slightly increase the memory cap.

    130MB is not much RAM to work with especially with games.
    12-21-2013 02:40 PM
  10. iamtim's Avatar
    Clearly their is something wrong with WP here.
    Clearly you're not a developer. Clearly you're making assumptions about a process with which you know very little.
    anon(7900571) and forked like this.
    12-21-2013 02:44 PM
  11. Aniruddh Sharma's Avatar
    If an app is optimized for 512 mb ram from the beginning, wouldn't it automatically work on devices with 1 gb ram?
    Considering that the highest selling WP phone has 512 MB ram, shouldn't the app be just made for 512 MB ram devices and it will automatically work for other high end devices thereby resulting in more downloads.

    Let's be honest here, we all love WP but most of the people I have recommended a Lumia ended up buying a 720 and they do play basic games like Temple Run. Eventually when they would see that either an app is not available because of 512 MB ram or even if it comes late but is still laggy; WP would be at a loss.

    Just my 2 cents :-)
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    12-21-2013 02:45 PM
  12. foxbat121's Avatar
    Let's say it will take game Dev 10 months to create a 512mb capable game vs 3 months for a 1gb only game, guess what those devs will do. Now consider the revenues from windows phone market will be less than 10% of what they make from Android or iOS, it is actually surprising that they will spend exrra effort to make 512mb version at all unless Microsoft paid them to do so.

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    12-21-2013 04:20 PM
  13. colinkiama's Avatar
    Or we can vote in the link below so windows phone raises its app memory cap for 512mb devices.
    http://windowsphone.uservoice.com/fo...emory-to-230mb
    12-21-2013 05:22 PM
  14. Dantekai14's Avatar
    Clearly you're not a developer. Clearly you're making assumptions about a process with which you know very little.
    Clearly you are not answering anything here.
    Clearly it's WP fault that they are not able to make this OS interesting for developers in 3 years.
    Clearly early adopter are paying the price for it.
    Clearly WP users(own 512MB RAM devices and which is majority also) aren't happy with this.
    Clearly WP developers have to do something about this instead of making users wait more.
    12-21-2013 09:34 PM
  15. hidayat225's Avatar
    Clearly you are not answering anything here.
    Clearly it's WP fault that they are not able to make this OS interesting for developers in 3 years.
    Clearly early adopter are paying the price for it.
    Clearly WP users(own 512MB RAM devices and which is majority also) aren't happy with this.
    Clearly WP developers have to do something about this instead of making users wait more.
    Clearly you are an impatient person.
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    12-21-2013 09:53 PM
  16. Aniruddh Sharma's Avatar
    If games that can run on iOS with 256 mb ram properly can't run on WP with 512 MB ram, does It not defy the logic that the whole argument of WP being a light OS and not a hardware hog like Android? Which should eventually result into WP devices being more and more like Android requiring all the latest and greatest hardware to run the basic apps properly?
    Or am I missing something here? Can anyone clarify?
    Dantekai14 and FinancialP like this.
    12-22-2013 02:20 AM
  17. Aniruddh Sharma's Avatar
    Clearly you are an impatient person.
    Can't really understand the logic of patience here. Because most of the people would not be as aware as we are coz of these forums and they buy a product to use it today and not what it would be after 8-10 months!
    12-22-2013 02:22 AM
  18. Dantekai14's Avatar
    Clearly you are an impatient person.
    Clearly you are not understanding the problem here.
    I am repeating again - isn't late coming of apps on WP store enough that it require few more month to run on 512MB RAM devices.

    Do, I have to set WP OS quality standard below Android because these apps easily runs on 512MB RAM devices? Forget the iOS on which it can run even on 256MB RAM.
    12-22-2013 02:36 AM
  19. SnailUK's Avatar
    Clearly you are not understanding the problem here.
    I am repeating again - isn't late coming of apps on WP store enough that it require few more month to run on 512MB RAM devices.

    Do, I have to set WP OS quality standard below Android because these apps easily runs on 512MB RAM devices? Forget the iOS on which it can run even on 256MB RAM.



    why should they delay the initial version? It costs them money to develop stuff, they want a return on investment quickly.

    Just because you want it for your device, doesn't mean it cant come out early for others.





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    12-22-2013 03:17 AM
  20. Mohamed Ashid's Avatar
    So this is the final verdict:
    read carefully.
    Although windows phones like 520 ,620, 720 etc has 512 mb ram... Microsoft has made a glitch in the system that states that apps can only use 130 mb of the ram..and those games that uses more than 130 mb ram eg. Temple run 2 ,subway surfers etc. Cant be played. Therefore the fault is actually within the os and we should actually thank the app publishers who work so hard to bring these games even with the restrictions. Thank you developers.
    12-22-2013 05:30 AM
  21. colinkiama's Avatar
    So this is the final verdict:
    read carefully.
    Although windows phones like 520 ,620, 720 etc has 512 mb ram... Microsoft has made a glitch in the system that states that apps can only use 130 mb of the ram..and those games that uses more than 130 mb ram eg. Temple run 2 ,subway surfers etc. Cant be played. Therefore the fault is actually within the os and we should actually thank the app publishers who work so hard to bring these games even with the restrictions. Thank you developers.
    So one day. Microsoft can raise this in an update that raises this to make it easier for developers?
    12-22-2013 05:40 AM
  22. KrisJoeEll's Avatar
    130mb limit? Where did you come up with that?

    We all know that for one WP their is 100 Androids & 50 iPhones out there. Now devs, no matter how good or bad they are, what they want to achieve is profit. So they put all their manpower and resources into the biggest market. In case ios & android. They are devs primary priority. They do whatever they can to port their games so that the millions in those platforms will make it a success.

    Sadly WP is not their yet. We are simply the bottom list of their priority and time. Optimising 1gb games to 512mb is easily possible. Like asphalt 8 & HaloSA. Except some like Modern Combat 4. Still its all up to developers.

    If our community can reach a number high enough for the devs to prioritise us along with android and ios, that will be WP's biggest achievement.
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    12-22-2013 05:51 AM
  23. kenzibit's Avatar
    I have Lumia 920 here and sometimes I really feel for users with 512 MB ram. With this happening a lot on wp, I sometimes fear our apps will be demanding too much that, very soon, new apps will be demanding 2GB of ram since devices like Lumia 1020 and 1520 are coming out with 2GB ram. I fear 1GB of ram will fade away very soon on WP and the question is why is that? iOS has some of the most nicest apps ever but still running on low memory.
    Binoya Mathews likes this.
    12-22-2013 06:00 AM
  24. jlp34876's Avatar
    Hello I have a 920 but i tweet them already about your concerns. You wont probably get a solid answer about this issue.
    12-22-2013 06:43 AM
  25. Mohamed Ashid's Avatar
    130mb limit? Where did you come up with that?

    We all know that for one WP their is 100 Androids & 50 iPhones out there. Now devs, no matter how good or bad they are, what they want to achieve is profit. So they put all their manpower and resources into the biggest market. In case ios & android. They are devs primary priority. They do whatever they can to port their games so that the millions in those platforms will make it a success.

    Sadly WP is not their yet. We are simply the bottom list of their priority and time. Optimising 1gb games to 512mb is easily possible. Like asphalt 8 & HaloSA. Except some like Modern Combat 4. Still its all up to developers.

    If our community can reach a number high enough for the devs to prioritise us along with android and ios, that will be WP's biggest achievement.
    "Optimising 1gb games to 512mb is easily possible."
    Haha. You must be jocking. Its not easy as you think. The developers work extremely hard for providing support .
    About the 130 mb ram limit everyone who knows little about windows phone knows that. Still you dont!!
    512 mb ram devices can only use 130 mb of ram for games/ apps . Its a limitation of wp. Thata why developers are not able to provide us(512 mb ram users) their best games. So instead of blaming others and saying that" its easy" ,we should try to appreciate their hard work .
    12-22-2013 06:57 AM
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