1. bijak_riyandi's Avatar
    Hi WPC
    first of all, I'm sorry if this thread is in the wrong forum...

    I'm from Indonesia and currently using Nokia Lumia 1020

    I'm looking for a phone to recommend for my relatives (and to lure them to Windows Phone, of course)
    I've been looking at several reviews about some phones, especially the Nokia Lumia...
    recently, the Samsung ATIV series caught my attention

    any of you guys have experience using both a Lumia and an ATIV and care to give some review?

    thanks in advance :)
    04-10-2014 05:42 AM
  2. Tony_Offends_U's Avatar
    Hi WPC
    first of all, I'm sorry if this thread is in the wrong forum...

    I'm from Indonesia and currently using Nokia Lumia 1020

    I'm looking for a phone to recommend for my relatives (and to lure them to Windows Phone, of course)
    I've been looking at several reviews about some phones, especially the Nokia Lumia...
    recently, the Samsung ATIV series caught my attention

    any of you guys have experience using both a Lumia and an ATIV and care to give some review?

    thanks in advance :)
    Why...?
    http://forums.windowscentral.com/sam...g-ativ-se.html
    04-10-2014 05:48 AM
  3. bijak_riyandi's Avatar
    thanks mate,
    that gave me a little insight on this :)
    04-10-2014 04:19 PM
  4. Tony_Offends_U's Avatar
    Can't go wrong with either honestly. I'd check out GSM Arena on the specs, go in store and hold/play with them, then decide from there.
    Like honestly, both are powerhouses. Wouldn't regret either.
    04-11-2014 10:21 AM
  5. trainplane's Avatar
    That other thread is kind of a mess. From what I can see just based on the specs:

    Ativ SE
    + removable battery, IR blaster, SD card, larger battery, front camera (2 MP vs 1.2 MP)

    Icon/930
    + camera button, Bluetooth 4.0 (SE has only 3.0 so no LE?), wireless charging, back camera (maybe), Nokia software, sensor core(?)

    --------- for both: carrier exclusivity

    If only someone would make a phone that combines the features above. The things I care about more are in the Icon (camera button, wireless charging, Nokia software)
    04-11-2014 11:35 AM
  6. anon(123856)'s Avatar
    That other thread is kind of a mess. From what I can see just based on the specs:

    Ativ SE
    + removable battery, IR blaster, SD card, larger battery, front camera (2 MP vs 1.2 MP)

    Icon/930
    + camera button, Bluetooth 4.0 (SE has only 3.0 so no LE?), wireless charging, back camera (maybe), Nokia software, sensor core(?)

    --------- for both: carrier exclusivity

    If only someone would make a phone that combines the features above. The things I care about more are in the Icon (camera button, wireless charging, Nokia software)
    I agree, the Nokia software is a nice added bonus.
    04-11-2014 01:41 PM
  7. bijak_riyandi's Avatar
    by the way, are the Samsung exclusive apps good?
    04-11-2014 07:10 PM
  8. neo158's Avatar
    by the way, are the Samsung exclusive apps good?
    I think so but then again I have an ATIV S, but Nokia have some good apps as well.
    04-12-2014 05:19 PM
  9. metalchick719's Avatar
    Honestly, I don't know why anyone who likes Windows Phone would choose a Samsung over Nokia. They are in bed with Google. Nokia is known for incredible build quality with its designs and durability, plus they support their devices.
    04-12-2014 06:55 PM
  10. neo158's Avatar
    Honestly, I don't know why anyone who likes Windows Phone would choose a Samsung over Nokia. They are in bed with Google. Nokia is known for incredible build quality with its designs and durability, plus they support their devices.
    There we go, the same BS arguments that always show up when talking about Samsung.

    What has Samsung being "in bed with Google" got to do with Windows Phone? Absolutely nothing.

    Nokia devices have known manufacturing defects ranging from dust in the FFC, overheating, screens losing touch responsiveness until rebooted and those are just a few of them. Design is subjective, you either like a design or you don't simple as that.

    Now we come to the biggest load of BS ever spouted on this site, support. Support isn't chucking out new devices and apps every femtosecond. My ATIV S has had every firmware and OS update that Samsung has put out and it WILL get WP8.1, can you say the same about the Lumia 810? Samsung also updates their apps regularly as well.

    Do you really think that Samsung, whose primary focus is Android, are going to spend millions of dollars on Windows Phone devices? No, they aren't and as long as I get updates and apps from Samsung then I'm happy. On a similar note do you think Nokia, whose primary focus is Windows Phone, are going to spend millions of dollars on their Nokia X range? No, they aren't and that was even stated by Stephen Elop at MWC. This means that just as Samsung aren't creating designs specific to Windows Phone devices, Nokia won't be doing the same with the Nokia X devices.

    I've said it before and I'll say it again this isn't Nokia Phone Central or Samsung Phone Central it's Windows Phone Central and we're all here for the same reason, we all love Windows Phone no matter what manufacturer we choose. Berating people because they don't choose a certain brand is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen on any website.

    And you guys wonder why Samsung owners don't comment on articles any more!!!!
    04-12-2014 08:27 PM
  11. metalchick719's Avatar
    Hey, this is a forum, where people are supposed to share their thoughts and opinions on a multitude of topics. That is exactly what I did, give the OP MY personal opinion in answer to the question. If you don't like it, it's just too bad. You don't have to like my comment, but guess what? Again, it's a free forum and I gave my opinion. It doesn't mean I have to stay out of the thread, especially when the OP asked for OPINIONS about a Nokia phone as well as a Samsung. It also doesn't mean you or other Samsung owners shouldn't comment because again, it's a free forum to do so. Why don't you kindly chill out?
    04-13-2014 07:35 PM
  12. tbonenga's Avatar
    I've had alot of phones HTC HD7, Dell Venue Pro, HTC 8X, Nokia Lumia 900, 920, 925 and a ATIV S.
    Hands down the ATIV S is the winner.
    Battery last 2-3 times longer than any other phone.
    SD slot. This is very important since 8.1 allows apps/games to be stored on a memory card.
    The 925 had a slightly better camera but it died so fast it wasn't worth it.
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    04-13-2014 08:36 PM
  13. akthelonelyman's Avatar
    Its not really about support .but u get some exclusive perks with nokia like nokia imaging apps and offline maps.and a better camera.
    I dont blame Samsung as they dont have much lee way in modifying the OS like they do with android and its not worth time or money as wp is not their primary os.so if ur planning to invest big money in wp os I would suggest nokia now.in future most exclusive apps will be available to most after microsoft acquisition.so in long term I dont know.
    Last edited by akthelonelyman; 04-14-2014 at 06:21 AM.
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    04-13-2014 10:14 PM
  14. neo158's Avatar
    Its not really about support .but u get some exclusive perks with nokia like nokia imaging apps and offline maps.and a better camera.
    I dont blame Samsung as they dont have much lee way in modifying the OS like they do with android and its not worth time or money as wp is not their primary is.so if it planning to invest big money in wp os I would suggest nokia now.in future most exclusive apps will be available to most after microsoft acquisition.so in long term I dont know.
    Offline Maps are part of Bing Maps as well, so that's not really a plus point for Nokia. However Bing Maps isn't included on Nokia devices in favour of the HERE suite of apps which is a very good alternative.
    04-14-2014 04:37 AM
  15. neo158's Avatar
    Hey, this is a forum, where people are supposed to share their thoughts and opinions on a multitude of topics. That is exactly what I did, give the OP MY personal opinion in answer to the question. If you don't like it, it's just too bad. You don't have to like my comment, but guess what? Again, it's a free forum and I gave my opinion. It doesn't mean I have to stay out of the thread, especially when the OP asked for OPINIONS about a Nokia phone as well as a Samsung. It also doesn't mean you or other Samsung owners shouldn't comment because again, it's a free forum to do so. Why don't you kindly chill out?
    Problem is that your post spouted all the BS that most Nokia fanboys spout about Samsung and I'm sick of it. Was my post harsh, possibly, was it telling the truth, yes it was.
    04-14-2014 04:39 AM
  16. akthelonelyman's Avatar
    Offline Maps are part of Bing Maps as well, so that's not really a plus point for Nokia. However Bing Maps isn't included on Nokia devices in favour of the HERE suite of apps which is a very good alternative.
    thats new news for me. i thought bing maps was like google maps. not entirely offline but can be cached offline to some extent. here maps is totally offline in the sense u can download entire maps to ur phone.
    and didnt nokia license their mapsuite to integrate with bing maps? so bing maps after wp 7 is powered by nokia maps suite? atleast thats what i thought
    04-14-2014 06:24 AM
  17. neo158's Avatar
    thats new news for me. i thought bing maps was like google maps. not entirely offline but can be cached offline to some extent. here maps is totally offline in the sense u can download entire maps to ur phone.
    and didnt nokia license their mapsuite to integrate with bing maps? so bing maps after wp 7 is powered by nokia maps suite? atleast thats what i thought anyways
    Bing Maps uses Nokia Maps data so it's essentially the same app just with slightly different features, HERE Maps uses the same data I downloaded through Bing Maps anyway.
    04-14-2014 06:26 AM
  18. akthelonelyman's Avatar
    Offline Maps are part of Bing Maps as well, so that's not really a plus point for Nokia. However Bing Maps isn't included on Nokia devices in favour of the HERE suite of apps which is a very good alternative.
    well u are wrong...samsung ativ s review from gsm arena

    The mapping solution in Windows Phone is called just Maps. Microsoft claimed that the service is now powered by Nokia Maps and its Navteq Map data, but the interface and the general user experience looks the same.

    Unfortunately there is no voice-guided navigation like Nokia Drive. The only available option is directions.

    Real-time traffic information is available, though and so is caching for offline usage.{no downloading of entire maps like here drive} This means that you can preload map data and use it on the go without a working data connection.

    Samsung Ativ S review: A fresh start - GSMArena.com
    04-14-2014 06:30 AM
  19. akthelonelyman's Avatar
    Bing Maps uses Nokia Maps data so it's essentially the same app just with slightly different features, HERE Maps uses the same data I downloaded through Bing Maps anyway.
    here maps doesnt use bing maps data..its vice versa.so from that review its not really the same app..
    its a far superior app with full offline maps with voice guided navigation with outstanding features like "live sight" .. both phones are good but no need to ignore and understate good aspects of one to glorify the other.
    04-14-2014 06:34 AM
  20. metalchick719's Avatar
    Problem is that your post spouted all the BS that most Nokia fanboys spout about Samsung and I'm sick of it. Was my post harsh, possibly, was it telling the truth, yes it was.
    Not really. How great has Samsung been at supporting its devices vs Nokia? As far as I know, the 810 is the only WP that was dropped. So, you're sick of it? Boo hoo...
    04-14-2014 10:01 AM
  21. neo158's Avatar
    Not really. How great has Samsung been at supporting its devices vs Nokia? As far as I know, the 810 is the only WP that was dropped. So, you're sick of it? Boo hoo...
    My ATIV S has received every update released so far, both OS and Firmware. Samsung also update their apps regularly and ALL their devices WILL receive the 8.1 update as well. So, yes I am sick of the BS spouted by Lumia Hipsters like you!!!!!
    04-16-2014 05:47 PM
  22. neo158's Avatar
    well u are wrong...samsung ativ s review from gsm arena

    The mapping solution in Windows Phone is called just Maps. Microsoft claimed that the service is now powered by Nokia Maps and its Navteq Map data, but the interface and the general user experience looks the same.

    Unfortunately there is no voice-guided navigation like Nokia Drive. The only available option is directions.

    Real-time traffic information is available, though and so is caching for offline usage.{no downloading of entire maps like here drive} This means that you can preload map data and use it on the go without a working data connection.

    Samsung Ativ S review: A fresh start - GSMArena.com
    Ironically you quoted the ATIV S review, the same phone that I have so I have first hand knowledge that Maps/Bing Maps whatever the **** it's called has support for Offline, not cached, but actual Offline maps. You want proof then I can post a screen shot!!!!
    04-16-2014 05:50 PM
  23. akthelonelyman's Avatar
    Ironically you quoted the ATIV S review, the same phone that I have so I have first hand knowledge that Maps/Bing Maps whatever the **** it's called has support for Offline, not cached, but actual Offline maps. You want proof then I can post a screen shot!!!!
    pls post a voice guided navigation sample like u get in here drive app...
    bing maps are powered by nokia maps.what part u dont understand?rest that review says clearly..if u say gsm arena is lying LOL OK...
    Nokia phones have some exclusive apps which i find useful.what part u dont understand?If you find that useless good for u.i find that useful so i bought a Lumia.i thought people had freedom to say their opinion in a forum without getting jumped upon and sweared by fanboys like u.
    dude read what I posted then reply the relevant thing. If u want to reply to a part of the post and swear to justify ur attitude then no use in talking.
    If u feel happy with ur phone thats all that matters.i dont own nokia or Samsung so I dont care what u think or anyone else think.felt that since its a forum everyone could say their opinion.
    But I think ur too worked up coz someone said what they think.
    And I dont want to get into baseless argument with fanboys like u so not replying anymore. and finally from ubergizmo site
    The map application in the ATIV is the generic one that you will find in other WP8 handsets, most likely powered by Bing with the location data from Nokia. The Lumia 920 features custom map and navigation applications, namely Nokia Maps, Nokia Drive+ (Beta) and Nokia City Lens.

    The default Windows Phone 8 map does well, but the Nokia Lumia 920 has a definitive advantage, thanks to Nokia Drive, an app that makes the Lumia 920 act and feel like a real personal navigation device (PND) that provides voice directions and indoors maps for a number of malls and popular locations.
    ..sorry man i prefer to go with tech sites rather than a fanatic like u.
    i posted something from a very reliable site followed by many for reviews. i would rather go with it than a person who resorts to swearing and trash talking in a forum when some one says something negative about his beloved company which is supposedly owned by him.
    Last edited by akthelonelyman; 04-17-2014 at 02:30 AM.
    04-16-2014 10:26 PM
  24. OrangeBerry02's Avatar
    Hi WPC
    first of all, I'm sorry if this thread is in the wrong forum...

    I'm from Indonesia and currently using Nokia Lumia 1020

    I'm looking for a phone to recommend for my relatives (and to lure them to Windows Phone, of course)
    I've been looking at several reviews about some phones, especially the Nokia Lumia...
    recently, the Samsung ATIV series caught my attention

    any of you guys have experience using both a Lumia and an ATIV and care to give some review?

    thanks in advance :)
    I use my phone for business and pleasure.

    My Windows Phone experience started with an HTC 8X which was a lovely phone in the hand and reasonably reliable.

    I was tempted into buying a Nokia 925 by the capabilities of its camera (for myself, I would never bother with a 1020 ... I'm not a good enough photographer but I do like to snap the odd shot from time to time, often in poor light) and the improvement in on-board memory (16gb to 32gb). The phone was okay ... it was a bit clunky and inclined to slip out of one's hand from time to time. The design was ... ugly ... no other word for it ... the back cover always looked a mess, and rather gave the impression I had a sweaty hand problem!! Some of the apps I downloaded never performed very well ... for example, I could never get the Live Tile on CalendarPro Free to update to the right day of the week ... minor but niggly problems. Battery life was okay ... the phone just about got though a working day. However what eventually drove me to continue my quest for the perfect Windows Phone was the ability of the 925 to hold a signal in an area of poor reception (eg where I live). I went through 2 925's and both performed equally poorly (when compared to the HTC 8X). (To explain, when sitting on my desk the phone would show about 3 bars - same as the HTC 8X - but, unlike the HTC, the moment I picked the phone up the bars would bleed away to nothing).

    I became aware that Samsung had produced a Windows Phone, the Ativ S, because I came across an almost endless stream of criticism concerning the phone. Expansys were selling the Ativ at just over 150 so I thought (after the twice as expensive 925) I couldn't go far wrong giving it a try. I was overwhelmingly impressed. The phone looked good, was comfortable to hold and no "shs" (sweaty hand syndrome). Most importantly was its ability to hold a signal - my friends and colleagues all thought I had changed my provider and were v surprised when I said I hadn't, just my phone. Every app I put on the machine worked perfectly ... immediately. The battery life was stunningly better ... for me, often two days before it needs to be recharged. The storage space, with the addition of an SD Card is all that I will want. I immediately bought another Ativ S to hold as a spare.

    The only disappointment (and I do appreciate this will be crucial for many) is the camera. Absolutely fine in daylight but not at all good in poor lighting conditions. I still yearn for the 925's camera at times but I'm long enough in the tooth to accept one cannot often achieve perfection in this imperfect world! I can say that when/if the Ativ SE is distributed more widely I will look at this before I look at another Nokia ... I think!

    Hope this helps!
    bijak_riyandi likes this.
    04-17-2014 04:11 AM

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