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  1. Bram Vanroy's Avatar
    I am curious, though, what is meant by "faster". Better loading times/display times? Speaking as a webdev, I find this intriguing. There is the point of priority and asynchronous loading that differ in Chrome and IE (at least on desktop). Rendering engine differs and subsequently difference in speed are likely. However, I am curious whether some data savings methods are used.

    When a data savings app is activated, the data (i.e. "a website") is compressed before being sent to the device. This decreases the data that needs to be downloaded. However - the compressed data also has to be decompressed. I do not know how this works in WP (because Data Sense has a OS-wide data-savings feature), but in old-school mobile opera it used to be the case that the browser handled this. Therefore, it is possible that certain websites seem to load slower when data savings is enabled. However, the other way around should also be possible: if the website is small, data savings may improve load times and display times, because there is less to download and only a little to decompress.
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    04-21-2014 11:25 AM
  2. chezm's Avatar
    Now, IE11 Saves all your passwords and share with all your windows 8.1 devices too. I'm loving it.
    I was a big user of Firefox now I moved back to IE
    great to know, thanks!! All the more reason for me to get excited about moving back to WP! =)
    04-21-2014 11:32 AM
  3. link68759's Avatar
    I only got as far as page 12 on phone so forgive me if this is answered, but

    The entirety of the developer preview is subject to change, and that includes IE11. When 8.1 is formally released, we will be downloading that formal release. Is it beta or not? Does it matter? Arguing semantics is just foolish. Fact of the matter is we are using a "preview" of 8.1, and it may very well see bug fixes to any given component thereof in the final release of 8.1. After 8.1 is released I doubt IE11 will receive further updates until the next OS update. So there will be a final release, and what we are using may or may not be it.

    Next up- popups. Most porn sites. Really the only places where the popups will be a bother on a phone, but I get mixed results. Some open in the same tab, others in a new tab.

    I haven't used Android for a while, but I remember hating all the browsers I could find as recently as mid 2013. None of them rendered text sharply, it was all fuzzy, they all handled reflow stupidly, and the UI design is usually nav controls covering the an unfortunate portion of the screen or full screen mode where you have limited nav control so you need to swap back and forth. Never a happy medium. They were stable, but I much preferred the crash happy IE on WM6 because while somewhat slow, it was just designed better. The older opera mobile 9(?) on WM6 was too slightly unstable but designed and functioned with intelligence.

    IE11 on WP8.1 has a similar layout to WM6 IE, you have all functions available in minimalist nav controls, reflow was replaced with some zoom thing that works well most of the time, text is sharp, and crashes are rare. From where I'm standing, IE has offered a consistently good core experience, while the Android browsers have fancy bells and whistles but are lacking in core experience. I personally have no need for bells and whistles- IE11 gave me more than I ever wanted in a mobile browser. I just wish I could easily push pages to and from my phone, then I can die happy.
    04-21-2014 12:00 PM
  4. anony_mouse's Avatar
    Now, IE11 Saves all your passwords and share with all your windows 8.1 devices too. I'm loving it.
    I was a big user of Firefox now I moved back to IE
    I hope mean "I love it". The use of the present continuous "I'm loving it" sounds extremely disturbing.
    04-21-2014 12:08 PM
  5. tgp's Avatar
    The use of the present continuous "I'm loving it" sounds extremely disturbing.
    Why? Don't you like McDonald's?
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    04-21-2014 12:12 PM
  6. Dantekai14's Avatar
    I only got as far as page 12 on phone so forgive me if this is answered, but

    The entirety of the developer preview is subject to change, and that includes IE11. When 8.1 is formally released, we will be downloading that formal release. Is it beta or not? Does it matter? Arguing semantics is just foolish. Fact of the matter is we are using a "preview" of 8.1, and it may very well see bug fixes to any given component thereof in the final release of 8.1. After 8.1 is released I doubt IE11 will receive further updates until the next OS update. So there will be a final release, and what we are using may or may not be it.

    Next up- popups. Most porn sites. Really the only places where the popups will be a bother on a phone, but I get mixed results. Some open in the same tab, others in a new tab.

    I haven't used Android for a while, but I remember hating all the browsers I could find as recently as mid 2013. None of them rendered text sharply, it was all fuzzy, they all handled reflow stupidly, and the UI design is usually nav controls covering the an unfortunate portion of the screen or full screen mode where you have limited nav control so you need to swap back and forth. Never a happy medium. They were stable, but I much preferred the crash happy IE on WM6 because while somewhat slow, it was just designed better. The older opera mobile 9(?) on WM6 was too slightly unstable but designed and functioned with intelligence.

    IE11 on WP8.1 has a similar layout to WM6 IE, you have all functions available in minimalist nav controls, reflow was replaced with some zoom thing that works well most of the time, text is sharp, and crashes are rare. From where I'm standing, IE has offered a consistently good core experience, while the Android browsers have fancy bells and whistles but are lacking in core experience. I personally have no need for bells and whistles- IE11 gave me more than I ever wanted in a mobile browser. I just wish I could easily push pages to and from my phone, then I can die happy.
    hahahaha
    Porn sites LOL!

    Some users can't think better.
    Their are lots of sites which have pop ups and aren't porn.
    Try the non porn site link which I had given you

    Even if those are porn site, what is the matter? Is their some kind of unknown restriction watching porn on WP?
    If it's a website it should be work on IE.

    But even with all those improvements, IE isn't close to Chrome on Android( performance wise.)
    Last edited by Dantekai14; 04-21-2014 at 12:35 PM.
    04-21-2014 12:14 PM
  7. anony_mouse's Avatar
    Why? Don't you like McDonald's?
    Well, no, of course I don't like McDonalds. Also, the phrase "I'm loving it" makes me think of Justin Timberlake and a stale Big Mac in a tryst straight from hell.
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    04-21-2014 12:35 PM
  8. MikeSo's Avatar
    The most problematic aspect of IE11 for me so far is that some sites simply do not work. At all. I've mentioned before the Citi credit card site which will not get past the login page (keeps redirecting and ends up back on it when trying to log in).

    I also tried a few other sites that required logins, and most worked except Match.comĀ® | The Leading Online Dating Site for Singles & Personals. Selecting the matchMobile site, going to http://touch.match.com, that site is even worse - it doesn't load, it shows a dialog popup that asks me to dowload an app - but not the match.com app, a BROWSER app - UC Browser or some Nokia app that I don't remember right now what it was). So it's as far as I can impossible to even use these sites on WP8.1.

    This is a problem that will be much more widespread I am sure as people use it, so it will require fixes.
    04-21-2014 12:41 PM
  9. link68759's Avatar
    hahahaha
    Porn sites LOL!

    Some users can't think better.
    Their are lots of sites which have pop ups and aren't porn.
    Try the non porn site link which I had given you

    Even if those are porn site, what is the matter? Is their some kind of unknown restriction watching porn on WP?
    If it's a website it should be work on IE.

    But even with all those improvements, IE isn't close to Chrome on Android( performance wise.)
    I would like to point out that this thread has turned into a proper debate _despite_ you. Please try to follow in professional discourse...

    What I said was "Really the only places where the popups will be a bother on a phone". Yes, other sites have popups- however of all the sites that have popups, the only ones I would want to access from phone are the pornographic ones. Any other site with popups are usually TV streaming, file sharing, or similarly PC centric activities- neither of which one would normally have reason to go to on a phone (particularly one without adobe flash), edge cases notwithstanding.

    I don't know by what metric you're judging performance, but IE11 and the varying android browsers I've tried are all responsive to the touch and generally the network is the limiting factor, not the rendering engine, so the performance of browsers as far as the end user can tell are on equal footing. One browser might score slightly higher on some javascript test than another browser, but then the other performs better in HTML5... but these are hardly applicable to real world use.
    04-21-2014 01:07 PM
  10. Dantekai14's Avatar
    I would like to point out that this thread has turned into a proper debate _despite_ you. Please try to follow in professional discourse...

    What I said was "Really the only places where the popups will be a bother on a phone". Yes, other sites have popups- however of all the sites that have popups, the only ones I would want to access from phone are the pornographic ones. Any other site with popups are usually TV streaming, file sharing, or similarly PC centric activities- neither of which one would normally have reason to go to on a phone (particularly one without adobe flash), edge cases notwithstanding.

    I don't know by what metric you're judging performance, but IE11 and the varying android browsers I've tried are all responsive to the touch and generally the network is the limiting factor, not the rendering engine, so the performance of browsers as far as the end user can tell are on equal footing. One browser might score slightly higher on some javascript test than another browser, but then the other performs better in HTML5... but these are hardly applicable to real world use.
    Are you able to open the site which I have given you?
    And
    Try that in Chrome too.

    Then tell how that go in IE 11 ?

    End user doesn't care html5,javascipt.
    It is as simple as that it works on chrome but not in IE. This is how I judge.

    If you know any site that work on IE but not on chrome then share here.
    04-21-2014 01:35 PM
  11. FearL0rd's Avatar
    Are you able to open the site which I have given you?
    And
    Try that in Chrome too.

    Then tell how that go in IE 11 ?

    End user doesn't care html5,javascipt.
    It is as simple as that it works on chrome but not in IE. This is how I judge.

    If you know any site that work on IE but not on chrome then share here.

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    04-21-2014 02:21 PM
  12. FearL0rd's Avatar
    Just disappointed with IE11's browsing speed.

    I have both of nexus 5 and lumia 1520. They have almost same CPU(snapdragon 800 processor) and ram(2GB) so i though they would show similar browsing speed at least.

    But chrome beta running on nexus 5 is way faster than IE11 on lumia 1520.

    There's huge gap between them.

    And how's new swipe back in IE 11. Even if you swiped back, screen is just showing gray scaled page for 0.5 sec till you can actually browse the page which is so annoying.

    It cannot be compared to swipeback of safari(iphone) or qq browser(android) at all.

    And yeah, i know it's just developer preview not for general users so just hope IE 11 got better till release of WP 8.1 rtm.
    Do a multi touch HTML5 in Chrome using this website or any other ExploreTouch.ie
    04-21-2014 02:27 PM
  13. A895's Avatar
    Do a multi touch HTML5 in Chrome using this website or any other ExploreTouch.ie
    And what will this prove? Site says it requires Windows 8.

    Sent from my XT907 using Mobile Nations mobile app
    04-21-2014 02:29 PM
  14. gmlongo's Avatar
    > It's 2014
    > Pop-up windows

    I lol'd.
    This. If it was 2004, maybe you'd have a point, but in 2014 pop-up windows are rarely used for site functionality any more. One of the main reasons being that a popup presents terrible usability on mobile devices such as phones and tablets.
    04-21-2014 02:31 PM
  15. FearL0rd's Avatar
    And what will this prove? Site says it requires Windows 8.

    Sent from my XT907 using Mobile Nations mobile app
    The only browser that supports multi-touch in HTML5 APP is IE11
    04-21-2014 02:35 PM
  16. A895's Avatar
    The only browser that supports multi-touch in HTML5 APP is IE11
    And? This proves nothing to performance though.

    Sent from my XT907 using Mobile Nations mobile app
    04-21-2014 02:55 PM
  17. FearL0rd's Avatar
    And? This proves nothing to performance though.

    Sent from my XT907 using Mobile Nations mobile app
    People asked show me something that doesn't work in Chrome.
    04-21-2014 03:25 PM
  18. Dantekai14's Avatar
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    Tell me what is open?

    I said that site doesn't work on IE.
    04-21-2014 09:13 PM
  19. link68759's Avatar
    Yes, we understand crappy file hosting site #87 doesn't work- I don't think that example is going to find much sympathy...
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    04-21-2014 09:16 PM
  20. Dantekai14's Avatar
    Yes, we understand crappy file hosting site #87 doesn't work- I don't think that example is going to find much sympathy...
    Now if that site doesn't work means it's crappy.lol!

    But why does it work on Chrome?
    Isn't this make IE crappy not the site?
    04-21-2014 09:20 PM
  21. link68759's Avatar
    Now if that site doesn't work means it's crappy.lol!

    But why does it work on Chrome?
    Isn't this make IE crappy not the site?
    Well no, these file sharing sites tend to badly abuse javascript and flash. It could be that your site relies on flash, hence why it isn't working in IE, or it could be that IE is blocking a malicious cookie or script, and the site isn't giving you the file because IE rejected the tracking cookie...

    It's not necessarily a bad thing that IE is having trouble with sketchy sites. This is all speculation as I don't really feel like going to that site, but I have an elaborate security setup with my desktop firefox and I find that a lot of those file sharing sites are riddled with tracking cookies and scripts and etc and many of the sites just don't give me the file seemingly out of spite for my security having disabled their crap...
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    04-21-2014 09:26 PM
  22. Ordeith's Avatar
    Now if that site doesn't work means it's crappy.lol!

    But why does it work on Chrome?
    Isn't this make IE crappy not the site?
    Lets go back and time and get a redo. This time when the website loads in IE 6 and not in Firefox we will interpret it as Firefox being crappy, and not the website that doesn't support standards.
    That would make for an interesting alternate reality.
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    04-21-2014 09:29 PM
  23. MikeSo's Avatar
    By the way, is anyone able to smoothly browse this slideshow: http://www.golfdigest.com/golf-tours...photos#slide=1

    Trying to view that on my Lumia 521 is a struggle. The first slide shows ok, but it gets slower and shower with each one. I pinch to zoom on the page, and when moving the viewable area it just blanks for many seconds at a time before redrawing. When I got to slide #10, IE just crashed. I started it up shaping, on slide #10, but on slide #17 I have up because it was just so slow to redraw the page.

    I think IE11 has a serious memory leak problem...

    EDIT: Posted this in the wrong thread, but I'll leave it here anyway. It's somewhat related. :)
    04-22-2014 09:09 AM
  24. Josip Zeljko's Avatar
    I have two midrange to low end phones that i use. HTC 8S (my daily driver) and Samsung Galaxy Ace 3. While Chrome is a browser with hell of a lot more features than IE, i find it very irritating to use. Whoever says chrome doesn't lag is a liar (in a way). IE is a joy to use compared to the chrome browser on the ace 3 (ace 3 has 1GB of RAM, and a 1.2 GHz Krait dual core CPU). The experience is not even comparable. My HTC is underpowered compared to ACE 3 but browsing the web is a LOT smoother and faster on IE.
    The only thing where Chrome outshines IE is website compabilty. For example try going to Watch the Best in Online Video Web Series for Free | Blip. IE can't even load the videos on that site, while chrome is having no problems whatsoever. I was hoping that this will be fixed in the new version, but it's not. Even with WP 8.1 I still can't play those videos.
    04-22-2014 09:45 AM
  25. Dantekai14's Avatar
    Well no, these file sharing sites tend to badly abuse javascript and flash. It could be that your site relies on flash, hence why it isn't working in IE, or it could be that IE is blocking a malicious cookie or script, and the site isn't giving you the file because IE rejected the tracking cookie...

    It's not necessarily a bad thing that IE is having trouble with sketchy sites. This is all speculation as I don't really feel like going to that site, but I have an elaborate security setup with my desktop firefox and I find that a lot of those file sharing sites are riddled with tracking cookies and scripts and etc and many of the sites just don't give me the file seemingly out of spite for my security having disabled their crap...
    or may be it's the other way around .....Site is totally OK but IE have poor Javascript and HTML5 support which are below standards.
    That is why it can't able to open that sites.

    Anyway it's a proof that Chrome is more superior than IE.
    I find it Chrome faster and more smoother than IE.
    Anyone who is saying Chrome lag is lying.

    4 years and WP developers still not able to build a proper download manager in IE.

    another limitation of WP is that downloading is still a pain. Simply not as good as in Android.(don't know about iOS)
    04-22-2014 10:26 AM
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