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  1. neo158's Avatar
    I don't know why the OEMs don't ship their phones with the apps. Every single iPAQ phone I ever had, and I had them all at one point or another, came with the HP print app out of the box. Each OEM puts its own stamp on WP devices so I don't see what the problem is. The LG Quantum came with an onboard registry editor, the Dell Venue Pro had its own "Engineering Mode" app. It can be done if they want. My guess is Nokia or MS want you to buy a tablet as well.
    Ah, but your iPAQ with the HP print app only had HP drivers and as a result wouldn't work with an Epson or Samsung Printer. Microsoft would have to include drivers for ALL models of printer which would increase the size of the OS, by including printing support and getting manufacturers to provide the drivers then users only download the drivers they need.
    05-25-2014 09:55 AM
  2. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Ah, but your iPAQ with the HP print app only had HP drivers and as a result wouldn't work with an Epson or Samsung Printer. Microsoft would have to include drivers for ALL models of printer which would increase the size of the OS, by including printing support and getting manufacturers to provide the drivers then users only download the drivers they need.
    Actually no, my 914c was able to print to the Xerox 6400 in my office. Using the generic profile and the correct IP address and port was all it took. My home printer is a newer HP model not listed and would work fine with just about any HP profile. I'm guessing those models listed are for specific color schemes or photos but for printing a typical 8.5 x 11 PDF file it doesn't matter. My old Treo printed via BT and it didn't ask for any particulars. My favorite was IR printing but you rarely see phones or printers these days with IR ports.
    05-25-2014 12:26 PM
  3. Christopher Lindsay's Avatar
    To be fair that is not something that you should ask seeing as you started a thread stating something that is plainly not true.
    The phone can't natively print wirelessly. I have a regular wireless Epson workforce printer. Nothing special. I don't think I should have to work out some Gmail (or email) work around to print with a wireless printer that works perfectly fine printing from Windows 7 on my desktop and laptop. Barring the name Windows and not being able to print is like barring the name keyboard and having no space bar. Even my not so productive iPhone (the biggest reason I switched to Windows phone) could do that. My 7 year old's iPad could do that. I think I plenty of right to complain about a phone as powerful as the 1520 not having the ability to do so... And that's on top of over 2k votes for the feature in the Microsoft feature suggestion forum on their feedback site.
    05-25-2014 01:11 PM
  4. Christopher Lindsay's Avatar
    Ah, but your iPAQ with the HP print app only had HP drivers and as a result wouldn't work with an Epson or Samsung Printer. Microsoft would have to include drivers for ALL models of printer which would increase the size of the OS, by including printing support and getting manufacturers to provide the drivers then users only download the drivers they need.
    If this is true apple must have a ton of drivers in their OS.
    05-25-2014 01:15 PM
  5. quantum tao's Avatar
    I agree, Microsoft should have some sort of cloud print, generic print or whatever it takes to print from wp8. it is supposed to be enterprise ready.
    05-25-2014 01:19 PM
  6. quantum tao's Avatar
    My 7 year old's iPad could do that.
    surface has no problem printing. this is about phones.
    05-25-2014 01:21 PM
  7. Christopher Lindsay's Avatar
    surface has no problem printing. this is about phones.
    My point is the iPad is much inferior and still does it.
    05-25-2014 01:22 PM
  8. foxbat121's Avatar
    WP8.x OS is not built for user installable driver installations. Drivers must be pre-loaded in the firmware.

    There is no common industry standard for printing generically unless all you want is just plain unformatted text output (like back in '80s).

    Apple introduced an Apple proprietary AirPrint protocol which works only with Apple products and expect printer makers to support such protocol in printers. As it goes, anything Apple introduces, device makers will support.

    Microsoft has no such market force, nor did it introduced any such mobile printing protocol.

    Yes, it is an oversight but even if Microsoft introduced it today, I suspect no printer makers will introduce any printer to support it within couple years. And don't expect your existing printers to ever support it.

    EDIT: actually, Microsoft introduced XPS printing back in Windows 7 Desktop OS days and expected printer makers to embrace it but I have not seen anyone made any printer that supports XPS printing. So, I can understand why Microsoft doesn't want to include it in WP OS.
    05-25-2014 04:26 PM
  9. Christopher Lindsay's Avatar
    WP8.x OS is not built for user installable driver installations. Drivers must be pre-loaded in the firmware.

    There is no common industry standard for printing generically unless all you want is just plain unformatted text output (like back in '80s).

    Apple introduced an Apple proprietary AirPrint protocol which works only with Apple products and expect printer makers to support such protocol in printers. As it goes, anything Apple introduces, device makers will support.

    Microsoft has no such market force, nor did it introduced any such mobile printing protocol.

    Yes, it is an oversight but even if Microsoft introduced it today, I suspect no printer makers will introduce any printer to support it within couple years. And don't expect your existing printers to ever support it.

    EDIT: actually, Microsoft introduced XPS printing back in Windows 7 Desktop OS days and expected printer makers to embrace it but I have not seen anyone made any printer that supports XPS printing. So, I can understand why Microsoft doesn't want to include it in WP OS.
    I'm pretty sure my printer is not made by apple and does not have any airprint protocol as my printer is older than IOS 7.
    05-25-2014 05:31 PM
  10. JaiMento's Avatar
    I'm pretty sure my printer is not made by apple and does not have any airprint protocol as my printer is older than IOS 7.
    AirPrint is much older than iOS 7. What is your printer's make and model?
    05-25-2014 05:58 PM
  11. Christopher Lindsay's Avatar
    AirPrint is much older than iOS 7. What is your printer's make and model?
    Epson workforce 545
    05-25-2014 06:21 PM
  12. foxbat121's Avatar
    I'm pretty sure my printer is not made by apple and does not have any airprint protocol as my printer is older than IOS 7.
    Your printer HAS to understand AirPrint protocol. That's how it works.

    Check here About AirPrint

    And your printer is listed there.

    Again, try to understand that there is no black magic in printing. Each manufacturer has their own native protocol, i.e. HP's PCL. For all these years, they are dependent on Microsoft Window's printer driver layer to interface with different applications on Windows.

    That's why Apple introduced AirPrint protocol and Google tried to do something slightly different (cloud print).
    05-25-2014 07:45 PM
  13. JaiMento's Avatar
    Epson workforce 545
    Your printer is definitely AirPrint compatible.
    05-25-2014 10:38 PM
  14. Christopher Lindsay's Avatar
    Your printer is definitely AirPrint compatible.
    So with Microsoft being the leader in the enterprise world why is there not protocol for Windows? Or at least a universal protocol that works on all Windows products? And if there is one why is it not on Windows phone but on Windows rt and Windows versions for computer?
    05-26-2014 12:11 AM
  15. Will6371's Avatar
    The phone can't natively print wirelessly. I have a regular wireless Epson workforce printer. Nothing special. I don't think I should have to work out some Gmail (or email) work around to print with a wireless printer that works perfectly fine printing from Windows 7 on my desktop and laptop. Barring the name Windows and not being able to print is like barring the name keyboard and having no space bar. Even my not so productive iPhone (the biggest reason I switched to Windows phone) could do that. My 7 year old's iPad could do that. I think I plenty of right to complain about a phone as powerful as the 1520 not having the ability to do so... And that's on top of over 2k votes for the feature in the Microsoft feature suggestion forum on their feedback site.
    What part of "it is possible to wirelessly print for your 1520" do you find the hardest to understand. You are complaining about not being able to do something with your phone that it is possible to do.

    Did you ever hear the saying "flogging a dead horse"
    05-26-2014 05:45 AM
  16. TheWPFan's Avatar
    The drivers that exist for WinRT shouldn't have any trouble running on WP8+. I'd love to be able to print a .docx from OneDrive via Word.
    05-26-2014 09:49 AM
  17. foxbat121's Avatar
    So with Microsoft being the leader in the enterprise world why is there not protocol for Windows? Or at least a universal protocol that works on all Windows products? And if there is one why is it not on Windows phone but on Windows rt and Windows versions for computer?
    Try to read my post above related to XPS printing.
    05-26-2014 09:56 AM
  18. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Let's bury this horse once and for all. Windows Phones have the capability to print wirelessly. It is possible via cloud printing (Google) or directly depending on the printer's manufacturer. If the printer OEM doesn't publish an app, you're SOL.
    05-26-2014 11:30 AM
  19. Will6371's Avatar
    Yes but some people will just make stuff up to complain about. Doesn't matter what you tell them they will just find something else to complain about next time.

    Let's bury this horse once and for all. Windows Phones have the capability to print wirelessly. It is possible via cloud printing (Google) or directly depending on the printer's manufacturer. If the printer OEM doesn't publish an app, you're SOL.
    05-26-2014 11:39 AM
  20. quantum tao's Avatar
    Yes but some people will just make stuff up to complain about. Doesn't matter what you tell them they will just find something else to complain about next time.
    Yeah, true. My WP prints to all my printers. I don't even have to use a google service for it. Oh wait. Nvm I just made that up, I don't know what to believe anymore. I'll just go back to the land of make believe and WP printing , and fairies, unicorns.....
    05-26-2014 02:22 PM
  21. Christopher Lindsay's Avatar
    Yeah, true. My WP prints to all my printers. I don't even have to use a google service for it. Oh wait. Nvm I just made that up, I don't know what to believe anymore. I'll just go back to the land of make believe and WP printing , and fairies, unicorns.....
    At least someone agrees with me. Their saying it does it and then saying only if my printer fits into this small margin of prerequisites that imo is ridiculous. What if I don't want to have to Gmail messages to myself to print an email or webpage. The idea of it is clearly a work around for the phone not being able to do it. Smh
    05-26-2014 03:49 PM
  22. colinkiama's Avatar
    At least someone agrees with me. Their saying it does it and then saying only if my printer fits into this small margin of prerequisites that imo is ridiculous. What if I don't want to have to Gmail messages to myself to print an email or webpage. The idea of it is clearly a work around for the phone not being able to do it. Smh
    Windowsphone.uservoice.com <-- tell Microsoft about it.
    05-26-2014 03:56 PM
  23. Christopher Lindsay's Avatar
    Windowsphone.uservoice.com <-- tell Microsoft about it.
    I did, there's already several suggestions for the feature on there. One even has over 2k votes for the feature.
    05-26-2014 04:58 PM
  24. fatclue_98's Avatar
    At least someone agrees with me. Their saying it does it and then saying only if my printer fits into this small margin of prerequisites that imo is ridiculous. What if I don't want to have to Gmail messages to myself to print an email or webpage. The idea of it is clearly a work around for the phone not being able to do it. Smh
    Who says you have to email anything to yourself? Who says the phone can't do it? The phone CAN do it. It's the printer manufacturers that haven't all released apps. Brother and Canon both have apps for direct printing over wi-fi. HP has an app but it's limited to photos so I don't count them. I've been printing to my workplace printer since WP7.5. All I did was register it to my Google account and that was that. Took less than 5 minutes to do.

    Don't take my word for it, do your own research instead of relying on anybody here who may or may not say what you want to hear.
    05-26-2014 06:18 PM
  25. Christopher Lindsay's Avatar
    Who says you have to email anything to yourself? Who says the phone can't do it? The phone CAN do it. It's the printer manufacturers that haven't all released apps. Brother and Canon both have apps for direct printing over wi-fi. HP has an app but it's limited to photos so I don't count them. I've been printing to my workplace printer since WP7.5. All I did was register it to my Google account and that was that. Took less than 5 minutes to do.

    Don't take my word for it, do your own research instead of relying on anybody here who may or may not say what you want to hear.
    I needed no app with my iPhone.
    05-26-2014 06:54 PM
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